woohooitsme83 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 19 hours ago, Nacre said: Typo! I meant to write 1865. Ah, but here's where you're mistaken, my friend! California is still able to legally secede via a constitutional amendment (see Texas v. White). Plus, war between industrialized nations is so, like, last century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Lot's of people assume as soon as they hear "#Calexit" is that it's illegal!!!111 or gonna start Word War 34565, but if you read the campaigns of secession proponents, you'll see that they're actually seeking peaceful, legal methods to do so. Plus, it would be highly frowned upon to declare war on another industrialized nation that is integral to the international economy, who wants to do so peacefully. (But peace is slow and painful, so maybe we should go into another civil war!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 I Don't Think Calexit Would Affect The Bid For 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, woohooitsme83 said: Ah, but here's where you're mistaken, my friend! California is still able to legally secede via a constitutional amendment (see Texas v. White). Plus, war between industrialized nations is so, like, last century California cannot secede. California could be removed from the USA by the national legislature. But since that would likely start a chain reaction of other states and regions wanting out, doing that would be suicide. (If I had a choice of an independent Oregon Country and being a part of the American empire I would pick the former, for example.) The national government is never going to agree to let Texas or California go. War has only been reduced between industrialized countries because the birthrate of industrialized countries has fallen. They are still very willing to fight over issues they consider vital to their national interests. Edited November 16, 2016 by Nacre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Nacre said: California cannot secede. California could be removed from the USA by the national legislature. But since that would likely start a chain reaction of other states and regions wanting out, doing that would be suicide. (If I had a choice of an independent Oregon Country and being a part of the American empire I would pick the former, for example.) The national government is never going to agree to let Texas or California go. War has only been reduced between industrialized countries because the birthrate of industrialized countries has fallen. They are still very willing to fight over issues they consider vital to their national interests.  I never said California would secede. I know it would be near impossible for them to secede. I just said that it was possible for them to secede. Not likely at all, but legally possible nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 We 300 Days Left To Election of The 2024 Olympic Host City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 I see Inglewood stadium construction has now begun. Sounds like digging a big hole in the ground is the first job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejaycat Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 10 hours ago, Rob. said: I see Inglewood stadium construction has now begun. Sounds like digging a big hole in the ground is the first job. Yes; most of it is supposed to be below ground level, at least from renderings I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 12 hours ago, Rob. said: I see Inglewood stadium construction has now begun. Sounds like digging a big hole in the ground is the first job. Yaaay! Quote Los Angeles Rams break ground on $2.6-billion Inglewood stadium, 'new era' of NFL http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-ground-breaking-20161117-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I have a question: If included in Los Angeles bid, will it increase the budget of $2,6 billion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) No. It's happening regardless of the Olympics and is a rare example of an entirely privately funded US stadium. There are grey areas when it comes to Olympic budgets (e.g. should transport infrastructure be included), but in this case it's clear cut. Edited November 19, 2016 by Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Rob. said: No. It's happening regardless of the Olympics and is a rare example of an entirely privately funded US stadium. There are grey areas when it comes to Olympic budgets (e.g. should transport infrastructure be included), but in this case it's clear cut. So, why does Paris take into account Roland Garros renewal (started: M$ 399), the water sports center (started: 85 M$) or even the OV (construction work has started for a part of it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 see table 23 at the end of the bid file part 2: http://paris2024.org/medias/presse/bidbook_2_digital_anglais_cmjn_hd.pdf  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 All of that is clearly detailed in the bid file part 2. Examples: Olympic village: permanent works: 1,448,304 (public: 254,516, private: 1,193,187), overlay: 159,600 Rolland Garros: permanent works: 399,000 (public: 22,800, private: 376,200), overlay: 1,638 What I don't understand is why the permanent works for Rolland Garros are taken into account since they will be done regardless of the olympics. (same for the water sports center and even for the OV since construction works have already started....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseSaenz Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 8 hours ago, neige said: I have a question: If included in Los Angeles bid, will it increase the budget of $2,6 billion? I can't imagine they would since it is not being built for the Olympics. This is an NFL stadium being privately finanaced. Of course, LA 2024 can use it if necessary, but this is completely independent of the games. It would be foolish to include it as part of the budget. Even LA's transit system should not be included as this is getting built with or without a winning bid. LA is getting all these cool projects that the Olympics can benefit from greatly without costing them a cent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 OK, I catch your point but I still don't understand why the same reasoning cannot be applied to Roland Garros renovation since it will be done regardless of the olumpics (work has already started) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseSaenz Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, neige said: OK, I catch your point but I still don't understand why the same reasoning cannot be applied to Roland Garros renovation since it will be done regardless of the olumpics (work has already started) Strange that the Paris committee included that.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, neige said: OK, I catch your point but I still don't understand why the same reasoning cannot be applied to Roland Garros renovation since it will be done regardless of the olumpics (work has already started) Aren't they building a temporary roof over one of the courts for another sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 yes they are, for boxing. It is considered 1,638 M$ for that. But here we are speaking about the permanent work for tennis: 399 M$ (which is exactly the budget for Rolland garros renovation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 297 Days To Go Until The Election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseSaenz Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 LA's venue video that was presented in Doha last week. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejaycat Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 ^^^^ Nice video but ugh, that voice narration---too much vocal fry! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 hours ago, ejaycat said: ^^^^ Nice video but ugh, that voice narration---too much vocal fry!  Vocal fry?  Heard nothing wrong with it.  But the weakest part is just flashing the sport pictogram very quickly over the various areas.  Too rushed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said: Vocal fry?  Heard nothing wrong with it.  But the weakest part is just flashing the sport pictogram very quickly over the various areas.  Too rushed. Agreed on both points. People don't seem to complain when guys use vocal fry ... On the sport pictogram thing, I think it's only really a problem when a venue is to host multiple sports, and they display the pictograms in succession at the same point on screen, rather than simultaneously side-by-side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejaycat Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 hours ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: People don't seem to complain when guys use vocal fry ... I beg to differ; I don't like it when guys use vocal fry either. I think it's a bad habit. especially in formal speech or something like a voice-over or when reading the news, radio or TV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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