los angeles 2024

[illustrado]

Someone posted on SSC the revitalization plan for LA's river and the extensive metro network in the works for the metropolis. I think the combined idea of those in a "FLOW" theme can and should make a compelling theme to bring the Games for a 3rd time to LA--much like London somehow used the Thames for its 2012 bid.

But to make a 3rd LA bid work on its first try, they have to:

- move many of the water venues from Long Beach to Santa Monica;

- put out stunning rends of a rejuvenated Coliseum; and

- time it for the 100th anniversary of the 1932 Games. That would make it more sentimental to the IOC without having the 1984 Games (which saved their nearly bankrupt organization) be in their face too much. But again, the USOC and LA will have to time it right.

the 'flow' theme might be good. but the river is more associated with drag races and place where bad guys exchanging hostages for money.

i should add that

venice beach is a good place for beach volleyball

fencing should be in the man Chinese theater

badminton, handball and hockey should be in either universal studios or paramount studios

[baron-pierreIV]

venice beach is a good place for beach volleyball

fencing should be in the man Chinese theater

badminton, handball and hockey should be in either universal studios or paramount studios

I don't think Venice Beach can handle crowds of 12-15,000. You need good access & egress ways for that. Dodger Stadium is a better venue for Beach Volleyball.

They like Fencing in a "surround" setting, i.e., to be viewed from all sides -- not in a "proscenium" setting like Grauman's Theatre. And it must have several mats operating at the same time. Weightlifting can go to the Hollywood Bowl or the Shrine Auditorium (if they don't use it as a food staging area again as they did in 1984).

The studios are NOT viable settings for Olympic venues. They are in constant use for TV and film production. The LA Fire Dept. probably won't permit the studios to host any Olympic events.

Edited October 2, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[zekekelso]

Manhattan Beach has hosted volleyball tournaments for 50 years. It's practically the birthplace of the sport. If they choose a beach location, it's the obvious choice.

The sightlines at Dodger Stadium don't work for beach volleyball... and the traffic would be problematic. Zero reason to put it there.

[baron-pierreIV]

Manhattan Beach has hosted volleyball tournaments for 50 years. It's practically the birthplace of the sport. If they choose a beach location, it's the obvious choice.

The sightlines at Dodger Stadium don't work for beach volleIyball... and the traffic would be problematic. Zero reason to put it there.

Unless baseball returns, it's going to sit empty. Manhattan Beach is too far from USC. Can the city of MB even handle crowds of 15-18,000.

DS worked perfectly for the 3 Tenors concert in 1994; I don't see why it wouldn't work for BV. Put up another set of stands there; and then the adjunct courts could be placed behind those. It has parking for 16,000 cars; access from 2 or 3 freeways. The trffic jams would not be any worse than it would be at Manhattan Beach. DS would actually be perfect.

At worse, they could use the far ends... Or it could host Archery.

Edited October 2, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[yoshi]

If your city has a natural beach, why would you hold BV in an artificial beach?

[zekekelso]

DS worked perfectly for the 3 Tenors concert in 1994; I don't see why it wouldn't work for BV.

Only Barron could fail to see the difference between a concert, and beach volleyball.

Manhattan Beach has serious transportation problems. But so does any beach location in LA. I'm just saying if you want it on the beach, MB is the obvious choice.

[runningrings]

As a non-Angeleno, I'd say beach volleyball at an LA Olympics NOT on one of it's iconic beaches would be disappointing.

What about the giant parking next to Santa Monica pier? It would only require a structure similar to the one Sydney built on Bondi Beach (which was actually built on the sand).

[Quaker2001]

Unless baseball returns, it's going to sit empty. Manhattan Beach is too far from USC. Can the city of MB even handle crowds of 15-18,000.

DS worked perfectly for the 3 Tenors concert in 1994; I don't see why it wouldn't work for BV. Put up another set of stands there; and then the adjunct courts could be placed behind those. It has parking for 16,000 cars; access from 2 or 3 freeways. The trffic jams would not be any worse than it would be at Manhattan Beach. DS would actually be perfect.

At worse, they could use the far ends... Or it could host Archery.

That's Dodger Stadium. Where exactly would you put a beach volleyball court there? There is nothing perfect about that setup. It's completely different from a concert.

Also remember.. baseball will be in full swing during July/August. Dodger Stadium would be anything but empty. In doing some research, the Dodgers actually had home games the first weekend of the Olympics in 1984. Managed to draw 45,000 fans on Saturday 7/28, the day of the Opening Ceremony. And drew a healthy 33,000 the next day. So if you're going to put a sport like beach volleyball there, how long will they have to kick the Dodgers out of town? It's not like you can build Dodger Stadium into a beach volleyball venue overnight.

I'm with rings here.. Sydney held their beach volleyball tournament on 1 of their iconic beaches. Rio is doing the same. Barcelona, if there had been beach volleyball at the 1992 Olympics, would have undoubtedly used 1 of their beaches. If you're going to hold the Olympics in a coastal city known for its beaches, 1 of those beaches should host the Olympics. And like zeke said, Manhattan Beach has plenty of experience hosting beach volleyball, albeit not on the scale an Olympics requires

[baron-pierreIV]

/\/\ Well, I'm not an expert on Calif beaches. So great if they find a good beach location for it. U just have to build a venue from scratch. Dodger was just a suggestion for a major venue whose sport is, as of now, not an O sport. That's all.

[runningrings]

That's the great thing about beach volleyball in the Olympics - it really only ever requires a temporary structure. The 2000 venue, despite no longer existing, is one of the more iconic from the 2000 Olympics that Sydneysiders still talk of today:

Meanwhile in ATHENS - the only city to build a PERMANENT BEACH VOLLEYBALL VENUE (wtf!?)

[Sir Rols]

That's the great thing about beach volleyball in the Olympics - it really only ever requires a temporary structure. The 2000 venue, despite no longer existing, is one of the more iconic from the 2000 Olympics that Sydneysiders still talk of today:

I'm with you at that - definitely one of the most popular and atmospheric venues - mind you, though, in the seven-year lead-up to the games, it was also one of our most controversial - the Bondi locals didn't like "their" beach being intruded and built upon for the games. I could imagine the California greenies would kick up a similar stink as well.

I don't have that many personal pics of the Sydney games (it was pre-digital photography days), but one of my faves was my day at the beach volleyball at Bondi:

[Athensfan]

If your city has a natural beach, why would you hold BV in an artificial beach?

I totally agree. LA has beaches. Pick one. It would be silly to do it anywhere else.

[baron-pierreIV]

Only Barron could fail to see the difference between a concert, and beach volleyball.

U're such full of bullsh*t. U know, it's loathsome, embittered creatures like you...and krow who suck out all the positive energy in a chatroom like this.

U wanna play condescending? Game on.

Edited October 3, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[baron-pierreIV]

What about the giant parking next to Santa Monica pier?

Technically, it's NOT a beach. The Beach experts of GamesBids will come storming at your door and tell you u ARE WRONG!!

[baron-pierreIV]

That's Dodger Stadium. Where exactly would you put a beach volleyball court there? There is nothing perfect about that setup. It's completely different from a concert.

You can throw in the main volleyball court there over the area between the mound and home base. And then erect a 2nd set of bleachers on the other side over that cleared area (I don't know the proper term since I don't follow this game) for the additional bleachers. I DIDN'T say it was going to be done.

If they built a boxing ring over the swiming pool in Wembley Arena for London 1948, I don't see how far-out this idea is?

If they put 2 swimming pools in a Long Beach parking lot, I don't see how this idea could be so odd?

If they put the BV venue in the hallowed Queens Guards Horse parade grounds, why should a court in Dodger Stadium be so out of place?

If they put a ski-jump at Dodger Stadium, why should a volleyball court in the middle of the open space be so strange?

I just proposed it like a hundred OTHER proposals here. But you make it sound like it was some cardinal sin I committed. I don't see why not. I just forgot that Major League games would still be going on -- although again, like in Atlanta 1996, they scheduled the Braves' games away from home.

Wow! All of you are like a bunch of whores who just hit the jackpot...jumping up and down just becuz someone made a proposal that had one flaw in it. Is it any wonder one hits back??

Edited October 3, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[runningrings]

Could a potential LA Olympics just not use Dodger Stadium at all? Now that baseball is gone from the program, they may as well not interfere with it if they don't have to.

Additionally - what football stadiums would LA likely use? Do you think the USOC would allow the entire football program to be staged within California - or would there be emphasis on including the East Coast, etc...?

[zekekelso]

Given the transportation issues, I wouldn't be surprised if Dodger stadium is excluded from the plan. If they did want to use it, about the only think I could picture there is rugby.

There's a push to keep football all in the same time zone. So probably all in California (maybe Phoenix, which is in LA's time zone in summer.) Curious to see if they use the Rose Bowl (i.e. do they think they can sell that many tickets) or would they use more reasonablly sized stadiums.

[baron-pierreIV]

about the only think I could picture there is rugby.

Yeah, we know. That's really all you can think of.

We don't wanna tax that little brain too much.

Edited October 3, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[Athensfan]

U're such full of bullsh*t. U know, it's loathsome, embittered creatures like you...and krow who suck out all the positive energy in a chatroom like this.

U wanna play condescending? Game on.

Did anyone else burst out laughing at the obvious irony of this post?

[Quaker2001]

You can throw in the main volleyball court there over the area between the mound and home base. And then erect a 2nd set of bleachers on the other side over that cleared area (I don't know the proper term since I don't follow this game) for the additional bleachers. I DIDN'T say it was going to be done.

If they built a boxing ring over the swiming pool in Wembley Arena for London 1948, I don't see how far-out this idea is?

If they put 2 swimming pools in a Long Beach parking lot, I don't see how this idea could be so odd?

If they put the BV venue in the hallowed Queens Guards Horse parade grounds, why should a court in Dodger Stadium be so out of place?

If they put a ski-jump at Dodger Stadium, why should a volleyball court in the middle of the open space be so strange?

I just proposed it like a hundred OTHER proposals here. But you make it sound like it was some cardinal sin I committed. I don't see why not. I just forgot that Major League games would still be going on -- although again, like in Atlanta 1996, they scheduled the Braves' games away from home.

Wow! All of you are like a bunch of whores who just hit the jackpot...jumping up and down just becuz someone made a proposal that had one flaw in it. Is it any wonder one hits back??

I offered that picture to show why this idea is odd and far-out. It's 1 thing to think outside the box, but this one isn't going to work. 1 flaw in it? There are many flaws in it. What would a volleyball court in the middle of open space look like? Probably something like this..

And that you 'forgot' that Dodger Stadium would be used for baseball?.. come on baron, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt on these things, but it's not like all non-Olympic activity in an Olympic city ceases. Horse Guards Parade in London was different. That space was the perfect size and shape to host beach volleyball. That you think Dodger Stadium would be 'perfect' for beach volleyball, forgive us for pointing out why that maybe isn't such a good idea

And that Santa Monica was brought up..

Sure looks like a beach to me. True, it doesn't have 'beach' in the title, but if we're talking about an iconic setting for a beach volleyball tournament, that looks like a great one for me if they can make it work.

[baron-pierreIV]

I offered that picture to show why this idea is odd and far-out. It's 1 thing to think outside the box, but this one isn't going to work. 1 flaw in it? There are many flaws in it. What would a volleyball court in the middle of open space look like? Probably something like this..

And that you 'forgot' that Dodger Stadium would be used for baseball?.. come on baron, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt on these things, but it's not like all non-Olympic activity in an Olympic city ceases. Horse Guards Parade in London was different. That space was the perfect size and shape to host beach volleyball. That you think Dodger Stadium would be 'perfect' for beach volleyball, forgive us for pointing out why that maybe isn't such a good idea

And that Santa Monica was brought up..

2. Sure looks like a beach to me. True, it doesn't have 'beach' in the title, but if we're talking about an iconic setting for a beach volleyball tournament, that looks like a great one for me if they can make it work.

1. Of course not. Didn't you read what I first thought. On 2nd thot, fuggedabout it. U guys can't think of innovative ways to reuse other venues. And yes, I did -- because baseball and American football are NOT on top of my ken. They are way down on my attention list So, pardon me if I slip in that regard--especially as I said, Atlanta's home town teams played on the road when 1996 was on...so certainly I thought that venue was available.

But FUGGEDABOUT IT, OK?

2. He did say "Santa Monica Pier"...NOT beach.

[woohooitsme83]

Coincidence? Actually, yeah. Even the article quotes the 2024 Games.

Rail Connection to LAX Will Open By 2024 With Six Stops

[The Crenshaw Line station that will connect to the people mover]

The long-fuzzy plan to finally build a rail connection to LAX is starting to come into focus—we now have a construction schedule for the automatic people mover that will link Metro to the airport, and a decision on how many stops it'll have inside the airport (three, more on that in a minute). Officials from Los Angeles World Airports, which runs LAX, gave the Metro board an update on the project yesterday, and promised to be finished with the people mover by 2024, when Los Angeles is hoping to host the summer Olympics (the city's improved public transit is central to its bid, which was just submitted to the US Committee). They plan to start environmental studies at the beginning of 2015 and break ground in 2017 or 2018, with five to seven years for construction.

The people mover will connect to a recently-added Ninety-Sixth Street station on the under-construction Crenshaw Line, which is expected to open in 2019. From there it will travel east to a forthcoming rental car facility, and west to an also-forthcoming Intermodal Transportation Facility with parking, shuttle buses, and pick-up/drop-off areas, then to three stations inside LAX. The Source reports that one station will serve Terminals 1, 6, and 7; one for 5 and 6; and one for Tom Bradley International, 3, and 4. The project will also include new moving sidewalks to move passengers between the people mover and the terminals.

· Actions taken today by the Metro Board of Directors [The Source]
· Crenshaw Line Will Get a Fancy New Stop to Connect to LAX [Curbed LA]
· All the Details on LAX's Potential People Mover System [Curbed LA]
· Here's Los Angeles's Plan For Winning the 2024 Olympics [Curbed LA]

Source: http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/12/rail_connection_to_lax_will_open_by_2024_with_six_stops.php

[baron-pierreIV]

Was yesterday's fire of a huge apartment complex in Los Angeles a move by desperate Boston and Washington DC 2024 supporters? A few months ago, San Francisco was hit by a similar fire, burning down a huge complex, almost of the same scale. How odd that it happens to 2 of the 4 finalist cities...before the USOC meets to pick a possible candidate next weekend.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/03/11/huge-fire-burn-san-francisco-building-under-construction-near-att-park/

[mr.bernham]

Was yesterday's fire of a huge apartment complex in Los Angeles a move by desperate Boston and Washington DC 2024 supporters? A few months ago, San Francisco was hit by a similar fire, burning down a huge complex, almost of the same scale. How odd that it happens to 2 of the 4 finalist cities...before the USOC meets to pick a possible candidate next weekend.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/03/11/huge-fire-burn-san-francisco-building-under-construction-near-att-park/

Baron, do you work for a gossip magazine?

[baron-pierreIV]

Baron, do you work for a gossip magazine?

I would like to. Know of any openings??