FYI Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Ansem said: Los Angeles is a strong candidate, however, going over a few comments I've seen so far, a Paris would have been very possible even if Clinton won the election. Yes, of course. I even said the other day that even if Le Pen were to win, all that really does is just bring the race back to where it was before Trump even won the White House, with Paris still having the upper-hand. But what people here seem to be arguing now, particularly the L.A. camp, is that Trump isn't as detrimental to the bid & could still be 'formidable'. 2 hours ago, Ansem said: I really question how much people actually know Paris or actually visited the city. Infrastructure-wise, they are way way more advanced than most North American cities, yes including New York. Paris is a heavyweight in this competition. Just wanted to put things in perspective for a second Gee, why thank you very much. Cuz without you, I don't think that we could've had any perspective here. I think that most of us here know that Paris is a big heavyweight in this game, at least the non-L.A. camp anyway. So really, that's the group (well, really just one in particular) that needs the perspective, cuz they're the ones who "downplay" Paris at every chance that they can get, in case you haven't been following the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: So for LA to improve its chances slightly, Trump has to be impeached before September this year; and Pence (God, not him either!) might add a vote or 2...or NOT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, RuFF said: Los Angeles is flexing its tech muscle. As if that were so important. Geo-politics - #1 Does it fit the template technically - #2 Likeable city and country leadership - #3 Ancillary tech apps - #6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 With the immigration ban and unpredictability of President Donald Trump, LA will struggle to win over the Olympic Committee, experts warn. By Paige Austin LOS ANGELES, CA — The Trump presidency has created a major, perhaps insurmountable, hurdle for Los Angeles to overcome in its bid to secure a third Olympic Games later this year, Olympic historians said in remarks reported Tuesday. Los Angeles bid and city officials, already in a tight race with Paris for the 2024 Olympic Games, must now navigate through the remaining eight months of a global campaign against the backdrop of mounting concerns about the viability of an American bid within the international sports community and a growing number of foreign politicians, The Orange County Register reported. Los Angeles 2024 and United States Olympic Committee officials spent much of the weekend working quietly behind the scenes with U.S. government officials to ensure Iran's archery team would be able to travel to a World Cup event in Las Vegas Feb. 10-12, according to the Register. Iran is one of the seven Muslim nations named in President Donald Trump’s executive order banning most citizens from those countries from entering the U.S. While LA 2024 and the USOC were able to secure assurance from federal officials that the Iranian team would be allowed to travel to Las Vegas, it is a scenario likely to be repeated in the months leading to the International Olympic Committee’s September election of the host city for the 2024 Olympic Games, The Register reported. Describing the first 10 days of the Trump administration as "a catastrophe" for Los Angeles' bid, Alma College professor Derick L. Hulme told the Register that the new president could also set back other American bids for potentially more than a decade. "In many ways I would be extremely surprised if any U.S. city would be a viable candidate (in the coming years) because of Trump," said Hulme, author of "The Political Olympics: Moscow, Afghanistan, and the 1980 U.S. Boycott." "There might not be a viable U.S. candidate for eight to 16 years," Hulme said. "Trump has this reputation for being unpredictable, and that’s not going to go well with the IOC," he said. "They’re not looking for problems. At this point they want to avoid uncertainty, and Trump makes a U.S. bid a significant risk. The Trump administration is behaving in such a reckless fashion." Olympic historians and longtime IOC watchers told the Register it is important for Los Angeles city and bid officials to distance themselves from Trump and his policies, and sooner rather than later. https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch.com/california/studiocity/amp/26903568/trump-presidency-a-catastrophe-for-las-olympic-bid-experts-warn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Another thing to consideration, even if Le Pen wins the presidential election, she still needs the Parliament to support the points of her agenda. In an hypothetical situation of Le Pen as president but a fragmented Parliament with still a strong opposition, this can end as an unpleasant fourth "cohabitation" government with low action (As happened in the early 90s). Considering the current financial problems of campaign and the internal divisions of the FN, the parliamentary elections can be really messy for them. And that's not counting the potential Republican Front against Le Pen (As happened with her father in 2002) on the second round, and after the European voters are watching the disaster of Trump administration in these few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Another minus with Trump, considering the Sochi-mess and all the headaches Putin was responsible for them, are they enough dumbs to bet again with another despicable leader with worse anger issues and a manchild self-esteem? If so, they are srly fucked up idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Roger87 said: Another minus with Trump, considering the Sochi-mess and all the headaches Putin was responsible for them, are they enough dumbs to bet again with another despicable leader with worse anger issues and a manchild self-esteem? If so, they are srly fucked up idiots. The IOC and Bach in particular have shown nothing but love to Putin and the Sochi games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, zekekelso said: The IOC and Bach in particular have shown nothing but love to Putin and the Sochi games. Even if they don't, they had a full snowball coming up. And that's not counting the consequences for future bids after Sochi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RuFF said: Who herereally buys that there may not be another viable candidate for 8 - 10 years? I'm curious to know what would happen if the IOC choose not to award a games to the US for the next 8-10 years. NBC would be thrilled! That was the threat for Chicago defenders to be chosen in 2009, and still here we are. Also, if NBC wants to find a guilty, they only need to visit 1600 Pennsylvania Av. in Washington D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/autres-sports/olympisme/201702/08/01-5067721-jeux-olympiques-montreal-soutient-la-candidature-de-paris.php Over 50 major cities and past hosts announced their support for Paris 2024. The article highlights 5 specific cities that have been very vocal about supporting Paris Montreal, Canada: (the whole world send their condolences for the Quebec City attacks except the USA. Conway said Trump had other stuff to tweet about then that ) Sydney: ( Their Prime Minister being scolded on the phone and hang up on) Mexico: (Stupid wall and bad hombres?) Munich: (Trump calling Merkel, Germany and the EU as awful and a disaster which Athens is part of) Yup...keep it up Trump. LA is doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 LA against Paris and a European field that shrank as the race went on always meant LA was doomed. What's unfortunate is that rather than LA looking at what made them unattractive before Trump, the loss will simply be blamed on Trump being elected. The reality is that LA wasn't publicly the US's first choice, and just simply that attractive from the outset. Trump just sealed their fate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 12 hours ago, FYI said: "There might not be a viable U.S. candidate for eight to 16 years," Hulme said. Meh. I don't believe that to be true. As we know, the viability of a candidate has a lot to do with who they are up against. Which is to say LA would look a lot better if it was just them and Budapest and not Paris. Would Trump be enough to sink them then? Who knows. And if by some horrible fate he's still in office in 2021, then yea maybe there will be more long-reaching effects. But if he's gone, there's time (hopefully) to repair whatever damage he's done should LA be in the running for 2028. Either way, a lot of it will be a function of what other cities are in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Roger87 said: Another minus with Trump, considering the Sochi-mess and all the headaches Putin was responsible for them, are they enough dumbs to bet again with another despicable leader with worse anger issues and a manchild self-esteem? If so, they are srly fucked up idiots. First off, I'm with zeke on this. We all know the 2014 Olympics led to a lot of bad press both for Russia and the IOC, but it'll be a cold day in Sochi before Bach and company ever come out and say they regret that decision or admit it may have been a bad idea. As for Trump vs. Putin, it's still 2 different leaders from 2 fundamentally different countries. For all that Trump is doing now, his presidency feels like it will be a lot more temporary than Putin's reign, which sometimes seems like it has no end in sight. And again, the nature of the Olympics in the United States is that the IOC will work far less directly with the president than they would in a country like Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm just looking forward to philly hosting before 2050. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 hours ago, RuFF said: Who herereally buys that there may not be another viable candidate for 8 - 10 years? I'm curious to know what would happen if the IOC choose not to award a games to the US for the next 8-10 years. NBC would be thrilled! 2 hours ago, Roger87 said: That was the threat for Chicago defenders to be chosen in 2009, and still here we are. Also, if NBC wants to find a guilty, they only need to visit 1600 Pennsylvania Av. in Washington D.C. That was an extremely idle threat, especially with Rio in the running (and yes, in some respects, the Americas are considered 1 entity to the IOC rather than 2). Chicago would have only been 20 years on from Atlanta. Not that 28 years is that much more, but hey, if LA is claiming their bid is only for 2024 activation and not 2028.. And RuFF, what do you think would happen if the IOC choose not to award a games to the US? Not the most inconceivable thing, especially if political tensions get worse. Again, I agree with you that the definition of a "viable" (I think that's a bad word to use here) candidate is open to interpretation and that it's too early to know what the long term effects of Trump might be beyond 2024. But a lot still depends on who else is bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, phandrosis said: I'm just looking forward to philly hosting before 2050. Not happening. And I say that as someone who is a big fan of Philly. If LA gets 2024 or 2028, then forget Philly anytime in the next generation. And even if LA doesn't get 2024, Philly needs to hope the USOC is looking for cities again and they're ready to jump into that mix. I don't think they will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Quaker2001 said: And again, the nature of the Olympics in the United States is that the IOC will work far less directly with the president than they would in a country like Russia. Unless of course, the Orange Merkin Phoney president is tweeting about how the Olympics hasn't asked him to open the games or not -- or they didn't use Ivanka's designers for the uniforms; or that his golf courses were not used in the Games. He is this surreal mix of the trivial stuff and larger things like his judicial battles now. I would think he and his staff would be sooo worn down after two weeks of trying to get a "jump start" and "control the conversation." Hey. tRuffmpy, would you take Sean Spicer's job if they offered it to you? I mean, you both think that "controlling conversation" makes you control everything. Edited February 9, 2017 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 8 hours ago, RuFF said: Who herereally buys that there may not be another viable candidate for 8 - 10 years? I'm curious to know what would happen if the IOC choose not to award a games to the US for the next 8-10 years. NBC would be thrilled! I think it's unlikely the US doesn't get 24, 28 or 32 - the Games which take in NBC's current deal - especially with South Africa looking rockier than ever. But if LA loses 2024 and the US doesn't bid again NBC will just have to grin and bear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Quaker2001 said: First off, I'm with zeke on this. We all know the 2014 Olympics led to a lot of bad press both for Russia and the IOC, but it'll be a cold day in Sochi before Bach and company ever come out and say they regret that decision or admit it may have been a bad idea. As for Trump vs. Putin, it's still 2 different leaders from 2 fundamentally different countries. For all that Trump is doing now, his presidency feels like it will be a lot more temporary than Putin's reign, which sometimes seems like it has no end in sight. And again, the nature of the Olympics in the United States is that the IOC will work far less directly with the president than they would in a country like Russia. They might not admit to Sochi being a failure in public, but they can certainly change tac with who they vote for in future, taking into account the problems Sochi caused them. LA is now in a weird position in this sense. With its lower cost plan it should be in an ideal position to be the anti-Sochi the movement knows it needs. But with Trump in power all the political headaches they had during the build up to Sochi have the potential to be repeated. If people, with good cause or otherwise, think using an American Olympics is an easy and high profile way to oppose Trump, the PR damage could be big, regardless who the IOC is working with day to day. And on the flipside, who would be even slightly surprised if Trump used the Games as a political football, like Putin did? It could become, like Sochi's build up, a case of the IOC trying to limit the damage, putting out fires all over the place. Not what they need at all right now. Edited February 9, 2017 by Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Quaker2001 said: Meh. I don't believe that to be true. As we know, the viability of a candidate has a lot to do with who they are up against. Which is to say LA would look a lot better if it was just them and Budapest and not Paris. Would Trump be enough to sink them then? Who knows. Yeah, I know. That was the only part of the article that I had issue with. Replace Paris with Baku-koo, Doha-hah or Casa-blanK or (east) Asia again , or even Brisbane, then Los Angeles pretty much would've had this in the bag now. But would the powers that be (i.e. the USOC, or even the city of L.A.) see it that way to run again for 2028 after yet another loss, & this time due bcuz of the POTUS, & especially if for some strange reason we do enter the Twilight Zone & Mr. Cheetoh were to get re-elected. Cuz the damage control would really be on overdrive then. But I'd still make the argument that he'd be LONG gone by the time 2028 rolls around anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Hey. tRuffmpy, would you take Sean Spicer's job if they offered it to you? I mean, you both think that "controlling conversation" makes you control everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 5 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Unless of course, the Orange Merkin Phoney president is tweeting about how the Olympics hasn't asked him to open the games or not -- or they didn't use Ivanka's designers for the uniforms; or that his golf courses were not used in the Games. Gawd, I know, right! He's such a fricken control freak! I mean really, aren't there FAR more important presidential issues to deal with than to be going after fricken Nordstrom now over Ivanka's dumb line. They said it was a 'business decision', surely Cheetoh face can understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, Rob. said: But with Trump in power all the political headaches they had during the build up to Sochi have the potential to be repeated. If people, with good cause or otherwise, think using an American Olympics is an easy and high profile way to oppose Trump, the PR damage could be big, regardless who the IOC is working with day to day. It could become, like Sochi's build up, a case of the IOC trying to limit the damage. Not what they need at all right now. That's an interesting POV that I hadn't thought of before. Makes you ponder even more the likelyhood that "L.A.'24" could indeed be steering itself to nowhere now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 *Not to mention that lead-up to Rio 2016 was very rocky, too, due to government protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Of course, the alternative to LA is Paris..a city famous for its subdued and unprotesting populace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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