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16 minutes ago, JesseSaenz said:

LA will lose but because of conditions that are far beyond its control and not because it was a weak candidate.

Really, only a miracle can save it now.

It's happened plenty of times before that a "strong"/"weak" candidate is in the eye of the beholder.  Based on technical scores, Rio was anything but a strong candidate and yet they won.  And even without all this political mess, there may have been factors beyond LA's control where they weren't going to beat Paris.  Needless to say, pile this on top of that and we see where they stand.  Too bad BidIndex hasn't been fired up yet or else I'd have been very curious to see how this news affected that.

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14 minutes ago, JesseSaenz said:

This is a 90 day ban, but it was rolled out so recklessly.

A lot can happen between now and Sept, but a lot already happened in just 8 days.

What a roller coaster.

That's the thing.. in some defense of RuFF here, this is big news now, but probably won't be come September.  That said, I would be surprised if this wasn't the first in a string of policy decisions that will adversely affect the bid.  And if Trump is in office when the vote goes down, that alone could spell doom.

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5 hours ago, Ansem said:

Toronto will challenge 2028, watch out! :)

Not if there's a 2028 "consolation prize", it won't! :lol: Otherwise, have fun wrestling in the mud with tRuffmp. ;)

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4 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Yes FYI, I'm thinking the same thing you are right now..

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Oh, yes! I can hardly wait!! :lol:

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2 hours ago, RuFF said:

But if FYI got off her dildo and became civil 

Projecting yet again, are you, cunt?! :lol:

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But seriously, Quaker agreeing with you "to some extent" means diddly-squat. If things were reversed, & the heavy negative press was on France, you'd be casting the dye against Paris already. Everyone else can see what's going on other than you of course, Ms. hypocrite Queen L.A. cheerleader.

But harp all you want that "it ain't over, 'til it's over", cause even without the Trump mess, the odds were never really in L.A.'s favor. All the Bookies, & the independent polls, like on insidethegames (& even here on GB's), are all pretty much in tune that Paris is in the majority, with L.A. & Budapest splitting the minority vote. That's also how I believe it's gonna go down, too. 

I'm not for Paris cuz I'm from there. Unlike you, who's "from" L.A. & have to incessantly sing from the top of the Hollywood hills on how "great & wonderful" the "new" L.A. is suppose to be. And that's the big difference between the most everyone here & you. You have a very personal, blind bias view, & that's all you see, no matter what. Luckily, the IOC won't see it all the way you do, with partial blinders on. 

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The key here is time! Trump is trying to put in place all his crazy propositions in the first weeks and months of his term. This will pretty sure harm the LA2024 bid at the time of the election. It's not important to think right now how will be his politics after the election thru 2024 unless Los Angeles eventually win. The next months will be key depending on Trump's actions. Paris bid team has only to play safe and wait the storm across the ocean unless France bring us with some really big surprise.

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11 hours ago, Ansem said:

But Le Pen is a very smart women who happens to know constitutional laws. She wants to make France completely secular, indirectly targeting Muslims as they are the most visible with the hijab and Niqab while other religions are less obvious. She wants to be tougher on immigration but she would never ban Muslim countries specifically. So even if Le Pen wins, it won't harm Paris 2024

And are you implying that Trump is some religious zealot? Far from it. He's a national populist; he subscribes to secular Putinism...so does Le Pen. Also, Le Pen can close the borders of France to migrants...what makes you think she wouldn't?

Despite all the horrible things Trump has done so far, none of it is unconstitutional...in fact it is entirely constitutional and builds off of executive power precedents set by men before him (including Obama).

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10 hours ago, Ansem said:

Even with Le Pen having controversial ideas, she's light years from Trump. France is the total opposite of the USA.

How cute...Never cease to amaze me how some Americans are so delusional about how/what the world truly thinks of them. International sensation? Don't make us laugh. We're still shocked that he won the election. The world was laughing at the US for months and now that he's a loose cannon, we're not laughing anymore.  

The nutjob has his hands of thousands of nuclear warheads. It's not that we like caring about the US, we have no freaking choice to know who nuclear powers puts at the head of their governments and what they are up too. It's scary that a few fragile egos can end us all and there's nothing reassuring about Trump.

Tell me you aren't comparing London to LA :rolleyes:

The fact that all the world is freaking out about Trump proves he's a sensation. Sensations have no requirement to actually be good. America is still the most influential and powerful nation on the planet...anything and everything we do is a sensation and defines global culture and politics.

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Yeah, he's stirred the  sh*t, and so what?  Does he really think that what he's gotten away with in the private world, will sail unnoticed in government?  He wasn't elected "king" and that is NOT the title he enjoys using.  Not unless, "president" now has alternative facts meaning -- in which case, he needs a good slap to remind him of reality.  Oh, there will be huge fallouts once the "honeymoon" period is over....which I believe it is.  

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8 hours ago, mr.bernham said:

And are you implying that Trump is some religious zealot? Far from it. He's a national populist; he subscribes to secular Putinism...so does Le Pen. Also, Le Pen can close the borders of France to migrants...what makes you think she wouldn't?

What makes you think that the French are just like Americans? Le Pen winning is a long shot and France is the total opposite of the USA.

8 hours ago, mr.bernham said:

Despite all the horrible things Trump has done so far, none of it is unconstitutional...in fact it is entirely constitutional and builds off of executive power precedents set by men before him (including Obama).

I don't really care what the US does with it's interior policies to be honest

8 hours ago, mr.bernham said:

The fact that all the world is freaking out about Trump proves he's a sensation. Sensations have no requirement to actually be good. America is still the most influential and powerful nation on the planet...anything and everything we do is a sensation and defines global culture and politics.

Sensation...not in a good way my friend. The US reputation around the world is going down the toilet...fast!

Everything the US do is a sensation and defines global culture and politics? My GOD, you should travel more and stop relying on Fox News and CNN to give you a twisted version of reality and what the world truly thinks of the US.

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9 minutes ago, Ansem said:

My GOD, you should travel more and stop relying on Fox News and CNN to give you a twisted version of reality and what the world truly thinks of the US.

 
 

Agreed.   ALtho they are still lining up at our embassies and consulates in order to get permanent resident visas from 7:00am until the end of the day-- the likes of which you don't see at Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean embassies.  

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9 hours ago, mr.bernham said:

The fact that all the world is freaking out about Trump proves he's a sensation. Sensations have no requirement to actually be good. America is still the most influential and powerful nation on the planet...anything and everything we do is a sensation and defines global culture and politics.

L.A. needs to incorporate this into their final presentation in Lima! :D

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18 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

And even without all this political mess, there may have been factors beyond LA's control where they weren't going to beat Paris.  Needless to say, pile this on top of that and we see where they stand.  

Exactly, & there very likely is. So all Frump has done is just magnified those factors. 

18 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Too bad BidIndex hasn't been fired up yet or else I'd have been very curious to see how this news affected that.

Yeah, really. It's only less than 7.5 months now 'til vote day, & still NO Bidindex! :blink: 

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18 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

No.. you have rose colored glasses.  You're trying to spin this so that it doesn't look as bad for LA as almost everyone else else seems to think and you're even going so far as to project where France might be in a similar negative situation.  

So what else is new.

18 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

But again, it's next to impossible to avoid the negative implications, not just of what happened last week but what else may come down the line.

Exactly - DD is a loose cannon, plain & simple. Seriously, who would want to work with such a crazy buffoon if you have the option of not doing so.

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As of today, Emmanuel Macron would beat Marine Le Pen on the presidential 2nd turn with 65% of the vote while Le Pen would get 35%. The Conservative candidate Francois FIllion supports are collapsing and it seems the socialist's chances of winning are worst than hell freezing over after the disaster of Francois Hollande presidency.

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Even in the event Le Pen were to win, all it does is just bring the race back to where it was, before the respective U.S. & French elections. With Paris still leading the pack. If she doesn't win, well, L.A. needs to start seriously thinking about the 2028 Games! :lol:

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13 hours ago, mr.bernham said:

The fact that all the world is freaking out about Trump proves he's a sensation. Sensations have no requirement to actually be good. America is still the most influential and powerful nation on the planet...anything and everything we do is a sensation and defines global culture and politics.

This is semantics here obviously, but is "sensation" really the word you want to associate with Trump or are you just saying that because someone else said it?  By your logic, wouldn't that make any US president a sensation because that person is the leader of the most powerful nation and anything and everything he does is a sensation?  Pretty sure though that's not how you'd describe Obama or the Bushes or most other US presidents.

The more apt part of your post is "freaking out."  Yea, the world is freaking out because there are major policy shifts going on here that we've never really seen before.  If that makes Trump a sensation, let's categorize him with Putin or Kim Jong-Il or other unstable leaders (those are obviously extreme examples, but by the definition here, they are "sensations" as you would describe them).  Again though, we're not talking about Trump simply because he's the American president and has a strong influence.  It's because of how he's using that influence and what it's doing the United States.  And as an American, I don't claim to have an outside perspective on how the rest of the world looks at us, but I'm guessing the same way many Americans looked at Brexit saying "WTF," I'm guessing is somewhat how America is being viewed right now for all the wrong reasons.

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3 hours ago, FYI said:

Exactly - DD is a loose cannon, plain & simple. Seriously, who would want to work with such a crazy buffoon if you have the option of not doing so.

1 tiny saving grace is that the US president is less likely to be involved in an Olympics as a leader of another country, certainly in the planning phases.  But we've seen cases before where it's a question of whether or not the IOC wants to get involved in the internal politics of a host country (as they claim they want to in order to promote Olympic ideals.. whatever the hell that is), even though they're more bark than bite.  Ask China.  Ask Russia.  So in theory, they should probably be somewhat outspoken about what Trump is doing (and will likely continue to do).  They may not say anything publicly, but IOC voters will have a chance to express those feelings when they cast their votes.  And for all the times we've said "well, we really don't know what factors the IOC will take into account" and cited those pesky unknown geopolitical forces, here's something that's very real and we can more directly point to as a factor in the voting.

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It is also worth noting that the political process tends to crush the best candidates. Those who emerge victorious are not the best administrators, but the ones best able to manipulate their party's voters.

Being a great mayor or governor requires finding compromises and being a practical leader. Party bases do not want that: they want charismatic firebrands.

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7 minutes ago, Nacre said:

It is also worth noting that the political process tends to crush the best candidates. Those who emerge victorious are not the best administrators, but the ones best able to manipulate their party's voters.

Being a great mayor or governor requires finding compromises and being a practical leader. Party bases do not want that: they want charismatic firebrands.

Let history forever show that the alternative to Donald Trump was Hillary Clinton.  Not exactly a strong candidate in her own right.  That's who he had to beat in order to reach the White House.

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She won the popular vote by almost three million votes! I'd say that was a strong candidate in her own right. The only reason why Frumpy is still allowed to reside in the White House is bcuz of a severely outdated process that seriously needs to be overhauled. I think that's what history will really show.

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9 minutes ago, FYI said:

She won the popular vote by almost three million votes! I'd say that was a strong candidate in her own right. The only reason why Frumpy is still allowed to reside in the White House is bcuz of a severely outdated process that seriously needs to be overhauled. I think that's what history will really show.

W won the popular vote in 2004.  Does that automatically make him a strong candidate?  Hillary shouldn't get propped up simply because she was going up against an Oompa Loompa.  If she were that strong of a candidate, she should have beaten him in a landslide.  Trump won the election fair and square.  You can bemoan the process all you want, but if you and I both know that if Hillary had won the electoral college and Trump won the popular vote, everyone on the Trump side would be saying exactly what you're saying and everyone in the anti-Trump camp would be telling him to shut up about it.  Can't have it both ways.

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Losing the popular vote by three million is a landslide IMO. That's the most of any other losing candidate in history BY FAR. Including Al Gore's loss in 2000. I seriously doubt if it was the other way around that Donald Duck would've gotten the same amount (in a loss) of the PV. 

Hillary's loss is also more complex than simply saying that she "wasn't" a strong candidate. The Bernie factor & also the factor that some just couldn't see themselves voting for a woman as president also contributed. 

Your personal views (whatever they are) of what you think of her are really just your opinions. Perhaps you may fall into one of those two main groups that I just mentioned above. But then again, you also claim to usually vote Republican, so enuff said. ^_^

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