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Sounds like the IOC is working on it step by step.

I wonder if any of these issues with Sochi will negatively impact Istanbul. Who's to say where Turkey could be in 7 years if the wave of conservative Islam continues to swell?

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Sounds like the IOC is working on it step by step.

I wonder if any of these issues with Sochi will negatively impact Istanbul. Who's to say where Turkey could be in 7 years if the wave of conservative Islam continues to swell?

I certainly hope this gives pause to the IOC in the future when they consider awarding the Games to "new frontiers" or whichever country is going to throw the most money at them. We could have had an amazing, controversy-free Winter Games in Salzburg next year instead of the mess that Sochi is turning out to be.

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The great George Takei mentioned that the event should be relocated to Vancouver, in light of these controversial new laws against the gay community of Russia, athletes and tourists alike.

http://globalnews.ca/news/770767/george-takei-speaks-to-global-news-about-sochi-olympics-petition/

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http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

Also Turkish people are more homophobic then Russians, Japan is Gay Friendly but it's only Spain which is super majority Gay Accepting. Next 2 host for the Winter Olympics are anti Gay Russia and South Korea while Brazil for the Summer Olympics is Gay Friendly. With what is going on in Russia right now is bad news for Turkey the world is coming down hard on Russia right now and the IOC does not want bad press for the next 7 years, It will be impossible for anti Gay countries to host future Olympics Games I think that this is the last decade where the anti Gay will have power in the most of the world, Latin America, South East, South and East Asia is progressing fast on the Gay issue, While Eastern Europe, Africa and the Middle East are going backwoods on Gay Rights. Most of the the IOC members are in Gay Friendly and Gay Accepting countries and the those members will take the there country imput on where to Go.

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Sounds like the IOC is working on it step by step.

I wonder if any of these issues with Sochi will negatively impact Istanbul. Who's to say where Turkey could be in 7 years if the wave of conservative Islam continues to swell?

I thought the same when this issue was starting to get attention. But figured some on here would say (& which some already have) that the IOC isn't going to be influenced in making decisions based on by Gay Rights. And if any city out of the three 2020 bidding cities is maybe to benifit out of all of this is, dare I say gasp, Madrid! Spain, a country that's like what, 90% Roman Catholic is a bastion of Gay Right & legalized Gay Marriage back in 2005.

I certainly hope this gives pause to the IOC in the future when they consider awarding the Games to "new frontiers" or whichever country is going to throw the most money at them. We could have had an amazing, controversy-free Winter Games in Salzburg next year instead of the mess that Sochi is turning out to be.

The thing is though, I wouldn't necessarily classify Russia as a "new frontier". And the only true new frontier that's left is Africa, & out of all the countries there, the only one that's capable of even hosting an Olympic Games is South Africa, which legalized Gay Marriage back in 2006. And also worth to note, Brazil, host of 2016, just legalized Same-sex marriage back in May of this year. So really, the only 'new frontier' where this could be an issue & that's capable of hosting is Turkey, especially like AF just pointed out, if their iron fist gets more troublesome within the next seven years.

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http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

Also Turkish people are more homophobic then Russians, Japan is Gay Friendly but it's only Spain which is super majority Gay Accepting. Next 2 host for the Winter Olympics are anti Gay Russia and South Korea while Brazil for the Summer Olympics is Gay Friendly. With what is going on in Russia right now is bad news for Turkey the world is coming down hard on Russia right now and the IOC does not want bad press for the next 7 years, It will be impossible for anti Gay countries to host future Olympics Games I think that this is the last decade where the anti Gay will have power in the most of the world, Latin America, South East, South and East Asia is progressing fast on the Gay issue, While Eastern Europe, Africa and the Middle East are going backwoods on Gay Rights. Most of the the IOC members are in Gay Friendly and Gay Accepting countries and the those members will take the there country imput on where to Go.

There's a difference though between a country not accepting gays and a country actively passing a law that discriminates against them. The fact that Russians aren't all that accepting of gays is not the issue. It's that their government has given the authorities there license to arrest and/or deport citizens as they see fit. If the IOC cannot assure that won't happen during the Olympics, that's a problem.

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Here's the bigger picture though. OK, so Moscow eases up for the OGs and the Paras. What then? Things will be back to business once the pesky "Olympic" visitors are gone. Try changing a traditional and conservative culture.

Yeah, but like China (which apparently, the IOC wasn't 100% happy with the way the Chinese wanted to control everything), when Rogge came out like last year or so, that they had to wait at least another 20 years for another shot, Russia, too, could just have to forget about this future Summer Olympic bid that they would like to go for if things don't go so smoothly for Sochi 2014. So if they want to host the Olympics again, they at least need to put on a good drag show or two at the OC's! :lol:

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Yeah, but like China (which apparently, the IOC wasn't 100% happy with the way the Chinese wanted to control everything), when Rogge came out like last year or so, that they had to wait at least another 20 years for another shot, Russia, too, could just have to forget about this future Summer Olympic bid that they would like to go for if things don't go so smoothly for Sochi 2014. So if they want to host the Olympics again, they at least need to put on a good drag show or two at the OC's! :lol:

Rogge 'came out' last year? I must have missed that one! ;)

But in all seriousness, any country that legally persecutes anybody on the grounds of gender, race, political, religious or sexual orientation must soon be banned from future consideration as an international sports host! <_<

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Probably this whole thing with the anti gay laws in Russia is going to damage Turkey bid as well, considering muslims have a bad reputation of being very anti-homosexual (even in moderate countries like Qatar you could go to jail). And yeah, Turkey might be secular (for now) but the big majority is muslim, soooo....

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I don't favour a boycott (that will only punish the athletes while giving the Russians loads of medals) and it is far too late to move the Games (while Vancouver 2014 has a nice ring to it, there are only 6 months to prepare).

But I think that individual spectators should stay away from Sochi. Empty streets and stadiums would embarrass the Russians. And be a waste of the billions they spent.

Or cover them in pride flags...like the organizers themselves did in Moscow in 1980.

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Considering 75% + of the tickets at an Olympics go to the local market, the stadiums aren't going to look empty even if many foreign spectators stay away. But lots of flags and stuff would work well.

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Russian Federation is ruled under the Juridisdicitional Romanic-German Family (or Civil Law) in contrast with USA, UK, Australia and Canada (ex Quebec) which means it only has the legislation as the only source to rule the country, so... I'm not an expert in Russian Constitution but visitors can claim it's against Human Rights that they can't be free of faith and beliefes.

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Relevant sections from the Olympic Charter (pp. 91-92)

50 Advertising, Demonstrations, Propaganda*
1. The IOC Executive Board determines the principles and conditions under which any
form of advertising or other publicity may be authorised.
2. No form of advertising or other publicity shall be allowed in and above the stadia,
venues and other competition areas which are considered as part of the Olympic
sites. Commercial installations and advertising signs shall not be allowed in the stadia,
venues or other sports grounds.
3. No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in
any Olympic sites, venues or other areas.
1. No form of publicity or propaganda, commercial or otherwise, may appear on persons,
on sportswear, accessories or, more generally, on any article of clothing or equipment
whatsoever worn or used by the athletes or other participants in the Olympic Games,
except for the identification – as defined in paragraph 8 below – of the manufacturer
of the article or equipment concerned, provided that such identification shall not be
marked conspicuously for advertising purposes.
1.1 The identification of the manufacturer shall not appear more than once per item
of clothing and equipment.
1.2 Equipment: any manufacturer’s identification that is greater than 10% of the
surface area of the equipment that is exposed during competition shall be
deemed to be marked conspicuously. However, there shall be no manufacturer’s
identification greater than 60 cm2
.
1.3 Headgear (e.g. hats, helmets, sunglasses, goggles) and gloves: any manufacturer’s
identification over 6 cm2 shall be deemed to be marked conspicuously.
1.4 Clothing (e.g. T-shirts, shorts, sweat tops and sweat pants): any manufacturer’s identification which is greater than 20 cm2
shall be deemed to be marked conspicuously.
1.5 Shoes: it is acceptable that there appear the normal distinctive design pattern
of the manufacturer. The manufacturer’s name and/or logo may also appear, up
to a maximum of 6 cm2
, either as part of the normal distinctive design pattern or
independent of the normal distinctive design pattern.
1.6 In case of special rules adopted by an International Sports Federation, exceptions
to the rules mentioned above may be approved by the IOC Executive Board.
Any violation of the provisions of the present clause may result in disqualification or
withdrawal of the accreditation of the person concerned. The decisions of the IOC
Executive Board regarding this matter shall be final.
The numbers worn by competitors may not display publicity of any kind and must bear
the Olympic emblem of the OCOG.
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