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Uh oh. It looks like this latest article is going to ruffle the feathers of a couple of Castellanos on here again. Accusing the media & GB's (& anyone else who they feel like accusing) of being "against" Madrid. Lmfao! :lol:

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yay... st good long time after....:) although tourist visits increased %17 ahead previous year

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Uh oh. It looks like this latest article is going to ruffle the feathers of a couple of Castellanos on here again. Accusing the media & GB's (& anyone else who they feel like accusing) of being "against" Madrid. Lmfao! :lol:

First of all, I would ask you some personal respect not only here but also in other articles. Furthermore, I ignore why you call me "Castellano", you are completely wrong.

As for this article some comments:

1. The title `Voted Number One City in Europe Boosts Istanbul 2020' is clearly biased :Compare it with the fact that Istanbul has just been voted as second prefered tourist destination this year by SOME READERS of one TOURIST MAGAZINE. In that list five positions behind appear Charleston (!), perhaps are there many readers of that magazine in that city?

2. Spain does not need to wait till to 2020 to have 50 million tourists. In 2012 it welcomed 58 million

3. Spanish press is being very respectful with the bids from Tokyo and Istanbul and that cannot be applied to GB and other media regarding Madrid, there are evidences everywhere

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God, if we're going to endure 7 years of whining Spaniards talking about biased media then I hope Madrid doesn't get the Games. Such a turn-off.

I do wonder where Gamesbids gets its stories from sometimes though. Because I noticed a few Olympic-sources picking up on this poll. Did the Istanbul bid team send out a press-release to all interested journos and publications?

If that's the way these things work, maybe Frank, Istanbul's team is just doing a better job compared to Madrid's at getting its message out.

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First of all, I would ask you some personal respect not only here but also in other articles. Furthermore, I ignore why you call me "Castellano", you are completely wrong.

As for this article some comments:

1. The title `Voted Number One City in Europe Boosts Istanbul 2020' is clearly biased :Compare it with the fact that Istanbul has just been voted as second prefered tourist destination this year by SOME READERS of one TOURIST MAGAZINE. In that list five positions behind appear Charleston (!), perhaps are there many readers of that magazine in that city?

2. Spain does not need to wait till to 2020 to have 50 million tourists. In 2012 it welcomed 58 million

3. Spanish press is being very respectful with the bids from Tokyo and Istanbul and that cannot be applied to GB and other media regarding Madrid, there are evidences everywhere

Both Istanbul and Tokyo have received a lot of criticism on these forums, from Tokyo being "boring" to Istanbul's protests and organisation. Which is fine this is what these forums about. But it seems the pro-Madrid members of these forums, feel as though they are being victimised and are the only ones to receive criticism...As though there is a "witch hunt" or a conspiracy against Madrid. Which is so far from the truth. You guys need to chill and stop being so defensive, because you are only displaying insecurities about your bid...which is a sign of "weakness" in my opinion. If the city cant handle criticism, then it shouldn't be bidding

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Both Istanbul and Tokyo have received a lot of criticism on these forums, from Tokyo being "boring" to Istanbul's protests and organisation. Which is fine this is what these forums about. But it seems the pro-Madrid members of these forums, feel as though they are being victimised and are the only ones to receive criticism...As though there is a "witch hunt" or a conspiracy against Madrid. Which is so far from the truth. You guys need to chill and stop being so defensive, because you are only displaying insecurities about your bid...which is a sign of "weakness" in my opinion. If the city cant handle criticism, then it shouldn't be bidding

Exactly - none of the bids ave been getting much overwhelming enthusiasm from the members, and all have been criticised for lots of aspects.

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Eh. Number 1 not feeling it. And I guess Frank has a point that they don't have as many tourists as Spain but they're probably up and coming. Although I would have thought Paris and Rome would still dominate the tourists. I'd rather go to those 2 cities before Istanbul.

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3. Spanish press is being very respectful with the bids from Tokyo and Istanbul and that cannot be applied to GB and other media regarding Madrid, there are evidences everywhere

Is this the same Spanish press that has been making up quotes during the last fortnight to help out one of their football clubs?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/marca-are-slammed-by-tottenham-fans-after-spanish-paper-rehash-a-modric-quote-apply-to-gareth-bale/

Oh yeah, full of integrity these Spanish hacks.

Behave Frank!

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Rob, I agree Spanish sport press is quite nasty in football affairs, but honestly I think it has been very respectful in the Olympic race. As for the accusation of victimism I still think it is not that but a wish of having objective media, look at how many outlined articles have been published for each city and the style of presenting the corresponding news, or for instance not updating the Bindex since May when Madrid was far on it from its rivals, what it is not true anymore.

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Sorry Frank, I just found it funny to come from a Spurs forum - where people are spitting feathers over your nation's press - to this one to see someone defending it. And maybe you're right that they have been fair in their coverage, I'll take your word for that.

As for your other points....

BidIndex isn't updated often - that's just the way it is. It's not a slight against Madrid. You'd have to ask the mod why that is (I get the impression it's a very complex model), but I'd expect an update soon given that we're a month away from the vote.

In terms of articles like this, which read like rehashes of press releases from the bid teams more than anything else, perhaps you should ask yourself - if Istanbul is getting more positive coverage than others - why that is. Maybe Madrid's team isn't doing as good a job as the others in feeding good news stories like this to websites like this one and others like it. Madrid's PR machine not up to snuff?

In terms of news media - as opposed to specialist sites like this - I think no news is good news until closer to the vote which is when mainstream interest in the race will pick up. In terms of the English-speaking press I've sensed no real bias, simply because the 2020 race isn't that big a deal yet, and also because there's no reason why we should be favouring one bid over another. You'll have to grit your teeth and accept the economy is going to be brought up by journalists re: Madrid. That's just the way it is; I don't think it indicates any kind of bias against the city.

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Frank every bidding city and host city will have criticism until the opening ceremony's or voting day. Like many here have said,"If you can't handle criticism don't bid." If it is true that Spain's media is covering the process fairly and balanced then more reasons for Madrid to win...people like you that complain about the criticism create a huge turnoff for voters and possible supporters which is not good for any vote.

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And how CORNY and BORING would it be to read...ALL 3 CITIES ARE GOOD; THEIR QUALIFICATIONS are equal. :blink: Please get real, Frank. It's a competitive world; people/ press, etc., etc will always favor one over the other. It's a COMPETITION. That's the nature of the beast.

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Was Istanbul voted number one city in Europe before the riots or after?

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:D:D:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

not laughing at those injured just thought it was quite ironic.

Although going through the GB newsire for the first 3 pages there is 5 threads on istanbul (1 being on the athletes doping), 4 on tokyo and only 2 on Madrid (one being about Spains potential 2022 winter bid so really only 1 thread) So I understand Franks point that there is limited threads on Madrid. Is it bias or is the Madrid 2020 team doing a poor job at getting knowledge out there? I think the latter

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If Madrid gets less conversation relative to other bids, it's because it's less interesting. That's Madrid's problem, not GB's.

As for the lauded "Bid Index", I wouldn't worry much. This "complex statistical model" is so shrouded in secrecy that for all we know a monkey is throwing darts at a board. Obviously I'm indulging in some hyperbole, but the reality is that we have no idea how Bid Index functions, which criteria are evaluated, how they are weighted, etc. I wouldn't take it much to heart.

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