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Spain Preparing A Bid For 2022 Winter Olympics Amid Madrid 2020 Campaign


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I do not agree with the title of your article. This would not be a Spain bid but rather an against Spain one. The project is only being prepared by the Barcelona City Council, ruled by an independentist party that wants to call next year a referendum to get Catalonia independent, in line with its permanent wishes of undermine Madrid projects. In fact, it has been even called by themselves 'indecent' and its approval in the future by the Spanish Olympic Committee would be very controversial. On the other side, Madrid bid for 2020 has included Barcelona as a co-host city for some football matches. Which behaviour do you think is more fair and closer to the Olympic spirit? Furthermore, the inclusion of Andorra ski resorts in Barcelona project makes even clearer that Barcelona 2022 bid would not be a Spanish one but a Catalonian (and anti Spanish) one as they will not count with the excellent Spanish ski resorts on the neighbour province of Huesca but with another ones located in a foreign country as Andorra. Anyway, this news appeared on Spanish newspapers in mid June, why have you published it now, one and a half month later?

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Two ways to look at this. One, Barcelona really wants to make an Olympic bid for 2022 a reality and if that means making their presence known before the race for 2020 ends then so be it. On the other hand, are there those within Spain that have concluded Madrid is unlikely to be successful in their most recent bid?

Frankly, I doubt any announcement about a possible Spanish WOG would hurt Madrid too much. They even acknowledged if Madrid is successful then the Barcelona bid wouldn't go forward. The circumstances are similar to Korea. Busan made a pitch for a 2020 bid but on condition that Pyeongchang wasn't successful in its 2018 campaign. Pyeogchang was a success and the Busan bid was dropped.

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^^ True. I think Barcelona's announcement shouldn't really mean that there is a general belief that Madrid's bid is doomed. Although I still can't see Barcelona doing a WOG, specially if it's true that they're bidding alongside Andorra (since we know IOC strongly opposes bids from joint countries)

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This story actually began (and was discussed on GB) over three years ago:

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2010/01/13/actualidad/1263370912_850215.html
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/605934/0/juegos/madrid/2020/

http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/topic/15589-2022-winter-olympics/page-3

It never really went away since then, but obviously it becomes more newsworthy whenever Barcelona's local leaders need it to.

I still can't see Barcelona doing a WOG, specially if it's true that they're bidding alongside Andorra (since we know IOC strongly opposes bids from joint countries)

I think Barcelona would argue that it's not a joint bid, merely good-neighbourliness.

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This story actually began (and was discussed on GB) over three years ago:

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2010/01/13/actualidad/1263370912_850215.html

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/605934/0/juegos/madrid/2020/

http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/topic/15589-2022-winter-olympics/page-3

It never really went away since then, but obviously it becomes more newsworthy whenever Barcelona's local leaders need it to.

You are absolutely right; in fact it is the usual behaviour of Barcelona (and Catalonia in general) leaders nowadays, they are a cancer for the rest of Spain. Madrid seems Don Quixote including Barcelona as co-host city for 2020 (what they would never do in reverse) and receiving that answer from them. What I also wonder is why Gamesbids and Insidethegames publish now news about a regional French-Catalonian meeting that took place in the first half of June (as you can see on the Spanish press). Please, no more unfair actions against Madrid, they deserve the Games!

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There is no excuse for this despicable behavior on the part of whoever is pushing a long-shot WOG in Barcelona. The timing of this announcement is so off-putting I wonder if it may get Madrid some extra votes from those who may be turned off by acts of sabotage, and or from anyone with interests in Munich.

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There is no excuse for this despicable behavior on the part of whoever is pushing a long-shot WOG in Barcelona. The timing of this announcement is so off-putting I wonder if it may get Madrid some extra votes from those who may be turned off by acts of sabotage, and or from anyone with interests in Munich.

Barcelona announced it becuz there are some sports bigwigs in town for the FINA Champs + also to undercut Madrid, their perennial rival. Madrid should have seen it coming.

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You are absolutely right; in fact it is the usual behaviour of Barcelona (and Catalonia in general) leaders nowadays, they are a cancer for the rest of Spain. Madrid seems Don Quixote including Barcelona as co-host city for 2020 (what they would never do in reverse) and receiving that answer from them. What I also wonder is why Gamesbids and Insidethegames publish now news about a regional French-Catalonian meeting that took place in the first half of June (as you can see on the Spanish press). Please, no more unfair actions against Madrid, they deserve the Games!

I'm of Catalonian descent and,although I can't forget all the persecution/discrimination our society suffered (specially under Franco) I'm also in the group that thinks it's childish to keep being dicks with the rest of Spain and trying to input an apartheid against them (I heard sad things like people in Catalonia cheering when Madrid lost the two previous bids). It's time to move on as long as they don't attempt to do the same things to us again. And I think this move is kinda desperate to try to harm Madrid bid IMO.

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Not if they're proposing Andorra in the plan... or Madrid announces a 2024 bid a day after the 2022 expressions of interest deadline.

Madrid would certainly be justified to do so, but I doubt they would lower themselves to that level. There is no need to make a public proclamation, why not just work behind the scenes and not make your bid look petty and divisive like Barcelona 2022.

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Barcelona isnt winning over munich or oslo.

Barcelona isnt winning over munich or oslo.

Barcelona can easily win over Oslo if Oslo insists on bidding with Lillehammer which are almost twice the distance of Barcelona's proposed Alpine venues

Barcelona for Winter Games? Lol not going to happen.

Why? Barcelona is 150km from Alps2000 with two mountains including La Molina, the largest ski resort in the Pyrenees with direct road and rail links and one mountain of over 900metres which is well above the minimum 800m vertical that the FIS insist on.

By comparison Oslo is proposing venues over 250km from the city which has previously been rejected as too far

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I do not agree with the title of your article. This would not be a Spain bid but rather an against Spain one. The project is only being prepared by the Barcelona City Council, ruled by an independentist party that wants to call next year a referendum to get Catalonia independent, in line with its permanent wishes of undermine Madrid projects. In fact, it has been even called by themselves 'indecent' and its approval in the future by the Spanish Olympic Committee would be very controversial. On the other side, Madrid bid for 2020 has included Barcelona as a co-host city for some football matches. Which behaviour do you think is more fair and closer to the Olympic spirit? Furthermore, the inclusion of Andorra ski resorts in Barcelona project makes even clearer that Barcelona 2022 bid would not be a Spanish one but a Catalonian (and anti Spanish) one as they will not count with the excellent Spanish ski resorts on the neighbour province of Huesca but with another ones located in a foreign country as Andorra. Anyway, this news appeared on Spanish newspapers in mid June, why have you published it now, one and a half month later?

the reason why Huesca hasn't been included is because the actual resorts at places like Formigal are beyond the unofficial 150km that the IOC place on the distance between venues and the location of the opening ceremonies.

Most the venues that Barcelona would use at Alp2000 are about 150km with direct road and rail links .... whilst Andorra might be considered they really are not required.

There is NO WAY Barcelona could hope to bid using venues near Huesca irrespective of their excellence .... it is a simple matter of geography

Furthermore the original Barcelona 2022 bid aspiration was announced by Jordi Hereu on 13/1/2010 of the Socialist Party, so it was not an original idea by the nationalists

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Munich is as close to a certain bet for host city in 2022 as we will ever see in advance of the formal request for bids. Aside from Munich being as technically able as any other potential candidate, the IOC will not resist the symbolism of returnng to the site of the Olympic movement's darkest moment, 50 years later, for the opportunity to show the respect and deference to the occasion that many feel was missed at the orignal moment. One can imagine a one-time break from tradition at the opening ceremony with Israel leading the parade of nations, ahead of Greece.

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Furthermore the original Barcelona 2022 bid aspiration was announced by Jordi Hereu on 13/1/2010 of the Socialist Party, so it was not an original idea by the nationalists

That's right, but the new nationalist Governement who rules Barcelona City Council since 2011 had not say a word about it till June, completely INDECENT timing as even they have recognized, much more if we take into acount that Barcelona is included as co-host city in Madrid 2020 bid (in spite of being more than 600 km far, and in spite of Barcelona not having included Madrid in its bid for 1992 or in any other in the future for sure). Furthermore, I insist that I see very weird that the Olympic media as this one have published those news as the most remarkable ones ONE MONTH AND A HALF LATER, i.e. closer to the Buenos Aires session. I wonder why there is a kind of campaign in the media against Madrid since the beginning of the bidding process; once the economy is getting better and it is not a problem anymore they are looking for new arguments against it. Please tell me how many positive news have been published about Madrid compared with the other two candidates, what is becoming even clearer now that Madrid has gained momentum and is viewed by a lot of people (many IOC members included) not only as the best bid but also as the favourite to win in September, By the way, when is GB going to change its bindex, that has not been updated since May and that does not show the actual positions nowadays?

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"Furthermore, I insist that I see very weird that the Olympic media as this one have published those news as the most remarkable ones ONE MONTH AND A HALF LATER, i.e. closer to the Buenos Aires session. I wonder why there is a kind of campaign in the media against Madrid since the beginning of the bidding process; once the economy is getting better and it is not a problem anymore they are looking for new arguments against it. Please tell me how many positive news have been published about Madrid compared with the other two candidates. By the way, when is GB going to change its bindex, that has not been updated since May and that does not show the actual positions nowadays?"

See, so it's really the media & GB's that is 'criticizing & despising', & simply "against" Madrid. Nothing that's been 'made up' by me, according to dos ninos chiquitos on here that so disparagingly & wrongfully love to accuse otherwise. <_<

And yeah, the other two bids have just been entirely held to an Olympic pedestal throughout the campaign. I'm sure especially the Spanish media have nothing but good things to say about them all the time. :rolleyes:

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I think Frank is correct in the way Madrid's news are not as many as those referred to Tokyo and Istambul. For example, a really important news appeared at 07/22/2013 said that the Association of Interprofessionals Employers Bussinessmen, reffered to the mayority of European Capital Cities, is in favour of Madrid 2020 Olympics.

I see it as a very good news for Madrid which has been 'forgotten' here.

I would also like to see the new classification of 2020 Olympic Games, but I don't know why GB doesn't update it.

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I hope that GB report this new. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23578859. If they do not they show their partiality.

Uhmmm...#1 - Tokyo is about 132 miles away from Fukushima.

#2 -- You think that Japan and the IAEA will let that area stay 'radioactive' for seven years...let alone a few months?? :rolleyes:

You don't know what a good Godzilla can do!! Please get real, Madrilenos!!

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A couple days ago another 6.0 quake hit the same area and got near zero coverage recently. Japan continues to cover up the disastrous radioactive contamination they are dumping into the Pacific. I would never repay Japan by awarding them the games after their terrible planning and handling of Fukashima and the continuing contamination they are spewing out.

Fukushima shaken by 6.0 magnitude quake

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