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It doesn't include the current protests but it sure took note of the civil war in Syria and the overflow of Syrian refugees into Turkey. That already is a red light. So Istanbul is on real shaky ground...whereas the other candidates seem far more stable. The bottom line of the report is that giving it to Istanbul will be very challenging. Do they want to go thru another Athens journey (including having to line up a back-up plan)??

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This Tuesday June 25th, the IOC will release the Evaluation Commission Report on the 3 2020 bid cities.... What are you expecting ? Discuss here after the release and your reading ...

It is released now in order to be available for the IOC members during their session next week when they will receive a presentation for the 3 bidders and will have the opportunity to meet them in a p

I think the most decisive will be in which the IOC wants to head to: if it wants "secure" Olympics (in terms of e.g. technical issues and Games without problems before the Olympics) Tokyo is the best

The report doesn't include the protests in Turkey bcuz all it is, is a technical evaluation of the three bid cities, which was completed well before the unrest started. Otherwise, why aren't Spain's protests from a few months ago in there as well.

Those are geopolitical factors that have nothing to do with a "technical" report. I agree with the last post, Istanbul could still surprise come September. All we can deduce from the report, is what a few of the members that wrote it think. We still have the far majority of IOC members that have yet to weigh in with their votes in Buenos Aires.

It doesn't include the current protests but it sure took note of the civil war in Syria and the overflow of Syrian refugees into Turkey. That already is a red light. So Istanbul is on real shaky ground...whereas the other candidates seem far more stable. The bottom line of the report is that giving it to Istanbul will be very challenging. Do they want to go thru another Athens journey (including having to line up a back-up plan)??

Yeah, agree. They might have been okay if they were just cruising along with no protests in the background. But in light of what's been happening in Turkey, they needed a pretty glowing report. I don't see that the report "brushed over" anything (like GMod Rob says in his story). It's full of things like "will need close attention"; "will require close cooperation"; "ambitious and will need to be monitored". And then there was the comments on the transport:

"The large investment programme to increase capacity and performance should lead to an improved transport
network able to meet spectator and general transport demands during the
Games. However, due to the
estimated traffic growth the Commission believes that the risk of road congestion during the Games remains
high, particularly in the Coastal and Bosphorus zones."
"Istanbul has calculated the above times based on an average speed of approximately 60 km/h. Taking into
account past Olympic Games experience and performances achieved on previous Olympic lane systems, the
Commis
sion believes that this calculation is somewhat optimistic and that travel times could increase."

About this time of the 2016 race, Rio was getting standing ovations at their presentations and whenever they whipped out THE MAP. All Istanbul is getting is headlines like "Have the protests killed the Olympic bid?"

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my thinking of the position of the circumstances for istanbul at the moment..

firstly the protests-thing", actually justice has been done in Turkey in her almost 100'years of republic existance in the frame that democracy has reached the top in this country.. everyone can shout out what they want (with every negative news-bit a l'époque) so let settle that in a better frame..

secondly about the protest-thing" is, that the occurin g of these protests are in the spotlight of marginal groups who are the back-yard of the (mainly) opposition-party its inability to produce policies in temporary Turkey, the lack(ness) of intelligent people/ policy-work has cumulated a sort of hate towards the gouvernment who's leading for almost more than a decennia..

I also inspected the report in its whole and the public support in Istanbul and Turkey is (and STILL is) for about 83% and that's still the most high percentage in its fifth attempt AND more that publical support that madrid/spain and Tokyo/Japan.

in the last two weeks there has been organised contra-protests in whole of Turkey in peacefullnes without demolishing things.. in Istanbul, Ankara, Mersin, Samsun, Erzurum, Adana, Izmir, etc.. with attendence of the President himself.. in istanbul at kazlicesme (at the moment the most vast-wide square in istanbul) accomplished peacefull protest for about 1.500.000 people who gathered to support the STILL charismatic leader in the country and in the region.. if there would be elections in Syria, jordan, Lebanon or Palestine then Erdogan and his party would be the first outcome in those countriies.. because he is still a beloved prime minister, a beloved man in the region and in his country.. 74% of Turkeys people gave him credit at the referandum the change the constitution for a better and more transparent and highly improved democracy than the previous one who were made by the parties of those 20% marginal groups toghether..

in 2014 there are 3 elections in a row, respectively for the county-elections/ general elections/ and presidency elections.. those elections will choose the next people for the next legislation, and we will see that whole of istanbul (the heaviest weigth) and whole of Turkey loves his prime minister and his company to govern the country for the next deccenia cumulating a dozen of projects toward the festivities in 2023 when the republic is 100 years old..

Istanbul stands in her shoes as proud as before the protests.. like in a tvs-soap there has been set up a rain-system in 1 street, but on screen its like whole the city is been washed by heavy rains.. but that isn't..

towards 2020 the syria-issue will be all solved.. and by the way the protest are a good thermometre to say that democracy is evoluating in a good direction.. And hoping that the opposition parties will do their job as it is recquired in the constitution..

Istanbul is now more powerfull than before.. The commission made a very good job in the report.. I think the best the last deccade.. monitoring an istanbul bid by national and international people will give the most balanced result to achieve a EXCELLENT "bicontinental games"

istanbul is back on track.. Now let the visual presentations come .. this marathon is set in its final phase.. Let the presention-show begin !!

;)

regards

fatih

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It reads to me as Tokyo, Istanbul, Madrid, with a subtle tug towards Tokyo. Having to build everything didn't hurt Sochi; having built many things didn't help Pyeonchang the second time bidding.

It may well come down to the perceptions of Edogan...which right now are not good. But there's time. Putin wasn't exactly popular until he gave that famous pitch in English.

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Can Madrid pull off a miracle here and challenge Tokyo for the win? ^_^

if madrid wins i wouldn't call that a miracle. it's a numbers game, and if they survive the first round they could just... win.

i almost want them to because, why not? who here really wants to pay $18,000 to go to tokyo for a week or so? let's just give it to madrid and shut spain up for a half decade before they convince themselves they're entitled to a winter games.

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You know, in light of the protests lately, moreso Brazil's than Turkey's - seeing as the Brazzis were particularly protesting the cost and priorities of Big Sports Events, I have to admit, Madrid just might have a compelling case to present if the IOC wanted to make a demonstration of its desires to scale back the games and make them affordable. On the other side of the coin, though, I still think personally that handing them to a country already mired in financial strife is the wrong sort of message for the IOC to give. I guess it would depend on how the IOC would spin it if they picked the Spaniards.



As I always stress, it's not that I really would like Madrid to win, but I really think that after the past few months, Madrid's stocks have risen a bit while Istanbul's have plummeted. I really wouldn't be surprised to see Madrid do much better than many expect.

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My fear is that they might just nab it though, and we get the same country hosting 1992 and 2020. In the era of new, exciting options in both Europe and every other continent, I think it would be a crying shame to see it go back to Spain, its not as if its some bastion of stability like Atlanta was - it's in fact the opposite.

Too soon and too little to offer the Olympic movement.

All strength to Istanbul, and failing that - Tokyo.

If Melbourne happened to land the 2028 Olympics due to the weakness of other bids, while I won't deny I'd be thrilled to see it back in Australia (and Melbourne could stage a truly supreme 21st century Olympics) I couldn't keep a straight face justifying its return to Australia so soon, and I don't think it would be in the best interests of the Olympic movement.

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I know what you mean. If Australia bid on a games any time soon, I'd support it as a matter of course. But I just don't like our chances and deep down I do think it should be a once in a lifetime thing for any nation and we should wait a few more decades before trying again.

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Seriously guys? I really doubt that in the heat of a bidding race with your country involved, you would worry about whether or not your country deserves the games or whether it is too soon after Sydney. Who cares about all that when your own country is having the opportunity to host? Don't tell me you wouldn't fully enjoy the games just because you couldn't stomach them returning to Australia after 28 years. I understand what you are saying and that you want to see the games spread around the world so that as many countries as possible have an opportunity to participate in the Olympic movement. I feel the same way. However, speaking from the perspective of a Canadian and Toronontonian hoping that Toronto gets the Olympics someday, I know for a fact that I wouldn't give a damn about whether or not Canada deserves a games so soon after 2010 if Toronto won in '24, for instance. I would have no trouble sleeping at night and wouldn't stress over justifying whether Canada deserved the victory. I wouldn't stress myself over cities like Durban or Paris getting shafted by a city like Toronto that may be less deserving at that point in time. I would be too caught up in anticipation for a hometown Olympics that I wouldn't care about anything in regards to the bid.

Please don't tell me that you would be more focused on determining whether it is fair that Melbourne got the Games as oppose to being focused on the Games themselves in your home country.

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I think you've completely misinterpreted the sentiment, or just not properly read what we wrote. Both rols and I said "of course" we'd back the home country bid, that's natural, and as I said I'd be "thrilled" to see it in Melbourne again so soon- to reiterate I think it is a city capable of staging a magnificent and flawless event - however the point is that it would not be in the best interests of the Olympic movement, and its expansion and diversification, concepts I support, by bringing it back to a country like Australia just 28 years later. Ditto for Spain. And ditto for Canada too, for that matter.

I don't think Paris and Durban have a lot to worry about, either. Toronto is the one that should be concerned by the allure of the French capital and the African Barcelona - both capable options that leaves Toronto in Madrid's position, as far as 2024 is concerned.

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Honestly, I had SUCH a good time in my home town in 2000. But when Athens was having its pre-games travails, and there was (probably fanciful) talk that Sydney could step in if it really found itself in trouble of delivering, I was actually quite relieved our Premier knocked the idea on the head fast. I just feel that we struck gold in organising a great games - I didn't want to tempt fate and the law of averages by being deflated at a rushed games that probably would not have matched up with our 2000 effort.

As runningrings said, of course I'd support a bid. But, like the Gold Coast's winning bid for the 2018 Commonwealth Games, It would be more from a sense of national duty. In the GC 2018 case, I actually would have preferred the lieks of Auckland to go for it before Australia hosted so soon again after Melbourne 2006.

And, well, I've had the sheer elation of a games in my hometown. My last remaining BIG Olympic hopes are to see one in Sweden and one in Germany in my lifetime now.

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I think you've completely misinterpreted the sentiment, or just not properly read what we wrote. Both rols and I said "of course" we'd back the home country bid, that's natural, and as I said I'd be "thrilled" to see it in Melbourne again so soon- to reiterate I think it is a city capable of staging a magnificent and flawless event - however the point is that it would not be in the best interests of the Olympic movement, and its expansion and diversification, concepts I support, by bringing it back to a country like Australia just 28 years later. Ditto for Spain. And ditto for Canada too, for that matter.

I don't think Paris and Durban have a lot to worry about, either. Toronto is the one that should be concerned by the allure of the French capital and the African Barcelona - both capable options that leaves Toronto in Madrid's position, as far as 2024 is concerned.

No I didn't misinterpret what you said. I understand that you would support a games, but you also stated that you could not keep a straight face justifying the games return to Australia so soon, and that it wouldn't be in the best interest of the Olympic movement. What I am saying is who cares? If the games are in your home country or home city, from a games perspective shouldn't you devote all of your attention towards the Olympics themselves and not towards what is in the best interest of the Olympic movement? Who really cares about all of that when the games are in your country? I think patriotism and excitement in the build up to the games would overwhelm any sort of uneasiness that you mentioned.

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Even though the olympics in Barcelona were a great as they could get I do think that there might be other places in Europe that might offer something newer and fresher to the Olympics (you know, the likes of Sweden... Germany...) However it now seems quite feasible Madrid might just pull it off, I don't know if it would be because of sheer insistence over almost 10 years! or because of the infamous "austerity games" will actually please the IOC... Isn't Thomas Bach saying and supporting that the olympics need to be scaled down, financially speaking, during his presidential campaign?

I would still be startled if Madrid actually won though.

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if madrid wins i wouldn't call that a miracle. it's a numbers game, and if they survive the first round they could just... win.

i almost want them to because, why not? who here really wants to pay $18,000 to go to tokyo for a week or so? let's just give it to madrid and shut spain up for a half decade before they convince themselves they're entitled to a winter games.

with 18.000 USD dollars u can stay in istanbul for 2 weeks and another week in turkish riviera:)

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That was the worry over the size of the security budget wasn't it? Labelled "very modest" in the evaluation report.

Sadly security is money down the drain really, but it's a huge amount of money. For me it's the most wasteful part of the Olympics, but sadly seems to be necessary. It seems clear Madrid isn't putting anywhere near enough cash towards this. Even a cursory glance at Madrid's security budget compared to London's shows this.

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That was the worry over the size of the security budget wasn't it? Labelled "very modest" in the evaluation report.

Sadly security is money down the drain really, but it's a huge amount of money. For me it's the most wasteful part of the Olympics, but sadly seems to be necessary. It seems clear Madrid isn't putting anywhere near enough cash towards this. Even a cursory glance at Madrid's security budget compared to London's shows this.

Hopefully this doesn't sound harsh but I would assume Madrid would know that security is needed no matter where. The madrid bombings were dreadful as were the London bombings. However London realised the importance of security and yet Madrid hasn't? Or are they going to be like Sochi and have a blown out of proportion budget which might severely damage the economy (cough athens) ?

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That was the worry over the size of the security budget wasn't it? Labelled "very modest" in the evaluation report.

Sadly security is money down the drain really, but it's a huge amount of money. For me it's the most wasteful part of the Olympics, but sadly seems to be necessary. It seems clear Madrid isn't putting anywhere near enough cash towards this. Even a cursory glance at Madrid's security budget compared to London's shows this.

You would think that somewhere like Madrid would put security as an unmetered priority (which I believe, within reason, it should be). Madrid, like London, has been touched by the vicious hand of terrorism, from domestic and foreign fronts. I can't see how they can attempt to downsize the budget to anything less than what London spent. Seems somewhat irresponsible.

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Don't worry. Prince Felipe could go around shaking hands with would-be terrorists, who could then "parlay that handshake with a prince into a season's worth of gala invites & society page mentions", & voila! Problem solved.

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I'm sorry if Madrid wins I will lose faith in the IOC like most have lost faith in FIFA. I mean 12 million pounds on the worlds biggest sporting event when London spent 83 times more? HA. It's downright pathetic

A perfect statement of what's wrong with the Olympic bid process. Judging a games by how much spent? Ridiculous.

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Yeah, & since Olympic security is such a trivial subject in today's volatile world, it doesn't warrant any ridicule when a bidding candidate wants to achieve it with a piggy-bank budget. If one can't see the difference, that's what's ridiculous. I wonder how far Sochi 2014 would get away with on a piddly 12 million on security.

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Yeah, & since Olympic security is such a trivial subject in today's volatile world, it doesn't warrant any ridicule when a bidding candidate wants to achieve it with a piggy-bank budget. If one can't see the difference, that's what's ridiculous. I wonder how far Sochi 2014 would get away with on a piddly 12 million on security.

Don’t worry so much about the security of the Olympic Games if Madrid is chosen. Spanish security forces has an internationally recognized high quality and during the large events held in Spain in recent years security hasn’t been a problem.

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It's not a question of the ability of Spanish security forces, but rather one of volume. The Olympic Games are MUCH MORE than just your average "large events".

I can hear Prince Albert now in Buenos Aires, drill Madrid again on their security detail like he did in Singapore: "Madrid 2020, how do you propose to cover every aspect of Olympic security on a meager $18 Million budget".

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So from your point of view how much money it's necessary? You're writting that only spending billion dollars it's possible organize the Games. You dislike Madrid's bid I understand it because of you would like Tokyo or Istambul bids win at the end. However I think that would be better explain the advantages of your favourite bid instead of criticize Madrid's option looking for disadvatages and doubting about the evaluation commitee report. The fact is that Madrid is ready it has a good project like Tokyo and Istanbul , so will be very complicated for the IOC members choose between all these wonderful cities I'm sure that all of them are able to organize an incredible Olympics Games. Unfortunately only one can win this race and I hope and desire that Madrid will be the winner.

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