FYI Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Uhm, this comment has really nothing to do with the point of the out-of-context quote. Umm, yes it does. All of Europe isn't bidding. On the contrary, virtually all of Europe is running away. In the end, we'd be lucky to still get Stockholm & Oslo. You have to go with what your options actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Umm, yes it does. All of Europe isn't bidding. On the contrary, virtually all of Europe is running away. In the end, we'd be lucky to still get Stockholm & Oslo. You have to go with what your options actually are. Well, Krakow and Lviv are part of Europe even tho they were mostly commie lands in the 20th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Okay, then. "Traditional Western" Europe that is running away then. i.e. Salzburg, St. Moritz, Munich, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 IOC confirms the six applicant cities in the race Six cities have bid this time, all meeting the application deadline of midnight on 14 November. Listed in alphabetical order, the cities are: Almaty (Kazakhstan), Beijing (China), Krakow (Poland), Lviv (Ukraine), Oslo (Norway), and Stockholm (Sweden).The strength of the field, which includes a strong mix of both traditional and developing winter sports markets, highlights the keen interest cities around the world have in the Games and the lasting benefits and legacy they can bring to a region.“I am delighted that six cities are bidding to host the 2022 Olympic Winter Games,” said International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach. “These cities and their supporters clearly understand the benefits that hosting the Games can have and the long lasting legacy that a Games can bring to a region. Indeed, while recent Games have left an array of sporting, social, economic and other legacies for the local population, many cities that did not go on to win the right to host the Games have also noted benefits as a result of their bids.”... A summary of the key 2022 timelines can be found below: Phase 1: Deadline for NOCs to submit an Applicant City – 14 November 2013 Applicant City Seminar – Lausanne – 4-6 December 2013 Sochi Olympic Winter Games Observer Programme – 7-23 February 2014 Submission of the Application File - 14 March 2014 Selection of Candidate Cities by the IOC - Executive Board – 8-9 July 2014 Phase 2: Submission of the Candidature File & Guarantees – January 2015 IOC Evaluation Commission visits – February – March 2015 Evaluation Commission report / Candidate City Briefing for IOC Members – May - June 2015 Election of the 2022 Host City by the IOC Session - Kuala Lumpur – 31 July 2015 * The cities will be listed in alphabetical order until such time as the official drawing of lots is carried out by the IOC EB in December 2013. The order of drawing of lots will then be used until the election of the 2022 host city. IOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 IOC President encourages 2022 Applicant Cities to get creative ©IOC/Richard Juilliart 06/12/2013 Delegates from the six cities vying to host the 2022 Olympic Winter Games will return home equipped with valuable insight into the bidding process following a three-day Applicant City Seminar hosted by the International Olympic Committee that concluded today in Saint-Sulpice, Switzerland. Led by Olympic Games Executive Director Gilbert Felli and Head of Bid City Relations Jacqueline Barrett, the seminar focused on a range of important themes and requirements, in particular legacy and sustainability, which the representatives from Almaty (Kazakhstan), Beijing (China), Krakow (Poland), Lviv (Ukraine), Oslo (Norway) and Stockholm (Sweden)* were encouraged to adapt to fit their local needs to best serve their cities, regions and nations. Thinking outside the box Speaking at the seminar, IOC President Thomas Bach called on the delegates to be creative with their bid projects and engage as soon as possible with their respective publics to explain the benefits hosting the Games could bring and to build support. “The IOC has a great deal of excellent information and know-how to pass on to Applicant Cities but they should also be confident enough in their projects not to restrict themselves solely to the blueprints of the past”, he said. “Only by taking their own initiatives, based on how they see the Olympic Games benefitting their unique circumstances and the local population, will they be able to get the most out of their projects. We are here to listen as well as provide them with guidance.” Forming part of the bid city education programme, the Seminar walked the delegates through the details of the bid process, providing them with a comprehensive introduction to the complexity, scope and scale of hosting an Olympic Games. Drawing from a wealth of material from the IOC and previous host cities, discussions ranged from transport to finance, with a day devoted to individual workshops on sports, the athlete experience, Olympic villages, the Paralympic Games, accommodation, the Olympic Games concept, media operations, technology and marketing. The seminar was conducted by experts from the IOC administration and specialists from former host cities, including Neale Coleman and Bill Morris from London 2012 and John McLaughlin from Vancouver 2010. In addition to briefings and workshops on the fundamentals of staging the Games, heavy emphasis was placed on the fact that the organisation of the Games is very much a team effort, with all levels of government, commercial partners, public services, community groups, local populations and sports authorities involved in the successful organisation of such a complex event. Clear dialogue and engagement among all relevant parties is therefore crucial to building a cohesive and smooth-running bid campaign and, if awarded the event, a memorable Olympic Winter Games in 2022. Click here for information on the Candidature Acceptance Procedure. * The cities will be listed in alphabetical order until such time as the official drawing of lots is carried out by the IOC EB in December 2013. The order of drawing of lots will then be used until the election of the 2022 host city. IOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I don't think the IOC is totally out of the woods yet. Oslo and Stockholm still need government guarantees. If not, both will fall by the wayside. I take Bach's comments on getting creative as "get government support" in particular with regards to Oslo and Stockholm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I don't think the IOC is totally out of the woods yet. Oslo and Stockholm still need government guarantees. If not, both will fall by the wayside. I take Bach's comments on getting creative as "get government support" in particular with regards to Oslo and Stockholm. Even without Oslo and Stockholm they have one good bid in Almaty, with Karkow's bid being solid even though there are some issues with the alpine venue. Not ideal but holding the games in Almaty or Karkow is hardly a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Krakow could be a dark horse in this race. Some people are making way too much of the "bi-national" proposal. Especially when both countries are part of the E.U. & neighboring Slovakia would have a minor role in the deal. As far as Almaty goes, while it may not be a disaster, it would certainly be/become controversial at some point. Just look at Sochi 2014 for precedence. The only way I could see them in this game is if both the Stockholm & Oslo bids falter. And even then, the IOC would stil have Beijing & Krakow to fall on. The IOC knows first-hand that the Chinese would be reliable & deliver what is promised. The Kazahks not so much. Still too much untested waters for their liking, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Krakow could be a dark horse in this race. Some people are making way too much of the "bi-national" proposal. Especially when both countries are part of the E.U. & neighboring Slovakia would have a minor role in the deal. As far as Almaty goes, while it may not be a disaster, it would certainly be/become controversial at some point. Just look at Sochi 2014 for precedence. The only way I could see them in this game is if both the Stockholm & Oslo bids falter. And even then, the IOC would stil have Beijing & Krakow to fall on. The IOC knows first-hand that the Chinese would be reliable & deliver what is promised. The Kazahks not so much. Still too much untested waters for their liking, IMHO. Kazakhstan hosted a very successful Asian Winter Games. They have one of the best speed skating oval in the world (it was recently ranked as the best speed skating venue in the world by a Dutch sports magazine) and they have experience hosting international competitions in every Olympic sport except the sliding sports. There is no question than the Kazakh government would deliver if they are given the games. Their real albatross is that they are another ex-Soviet state (8 years after Sochi) and in Asia (4 years after Pyeongchang). The timing is very bad. That being said, when it comes to winter sports I think Kazakhstan is as good a choice for the next winter host as China is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Kazakhstan hosted a very successful Asian Winter Games. Many said the same thing about Doha with the 2006 Asian Games. But the IOC still wasn't interested whatsoever. Not to mention that the Asian Winter Games are a fraction of the size of the Winter Olympic Games. And an Asian Games that Kazahkstan still split with Astana & Almaty. So Almaty didn't even handle the whole thing there. It's not as impressive as some are making it sound. That being said, when it comes to winter sports I think Kazakhstan is as good a choice for the next winter host as China is. The real crux of the matter though, is that geopolitically speaking, the Chinese would be much stronger. There is no question than the Kazakh government would deliver if they are given the games. I think that's quite an overstatement. I wouldn't be too sure about that. Even the Russians, who have spent a record breaking $50 Billion, on the most expensive Olympics ever (Summer or winter) aren't exactly having a smooth sailing here. And I'd that the Russians were more convincing than Kazahkstan could ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Coast Lions Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 FYI Almaty Kazakhstan is not like Doha Qatar, Almaty can host the games in the IOC liked hosting period also Kazakhstan have full women rights and is an democracy you can drink beer where ever you like in Kazakhstan too, Almaty also have world class ski resorts also the President of Kazakhstan is well liked by the Western World so there wont be the worries of the likes of Putin again. Central Asia is an growing winter sporting market it will help the Olympic and Paralympics movement grow more and will be the opportunity to grow winter sports in Central Asia the only thing need to build in Almaty is an sliding centre, 4 venues for ice events and upgrade the national stadium for the ceremonies and the media and athletes village that is all they have world class transporting infrastructure so they wont be building everything from nothing like Sochi Russia is doing also Kzakhstan has one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now too and is hosting the 2017 World Expo and Winter University Games and host the 2011 Asian Winter Games which was the best ever I see Almaty Kazakhstan getting the 2022 WOPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 FYI Almaty Kazakhstan is not like Doha Qatar, Almaty can host the games in the IOC liked hosting period also Kazakhstan have full women rights and is an democracy you can drink beer where ever you like in Kazakhstan too, Almaty also have world class ski resorts also the President of Kazakhstan is well liked by the Western World so there wont be the worries of the likes of Putin again. Central Asia is an growing winter sporting market it will help the Olympic and Paralympics movement grow more and will be the opportunity to grow winter sports in Central Asia the only thing need to build in Almaty is an sliding centre, 4 venues for ice events and upgrade the national stadium for the ceremonies and the media and athletes village that is all they have world class transporting infrastructure so they wont be building everything from nothing like Sochi Russia is doing also Kzakhstan has one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now too and is hosting the 2017 World Expo and Winter University Games and host the 2011 Asian Winter Games which was the best ever I see Almaty Kazakhstan getting the 2022 WOPG. I Agree but do you think the Kazakhstan Olympic Committee should of Bidded with Astana instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 In terms of size, I see Qatar and Kazakhstan like I see Luxembourg and Romania. I'd be far more comfortable seeing Romania get a WOG than seeing Luxembourg getting a SOG. Maybe today, maybe in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lol Qatar and Kazakhstan there is no comparison. Qatar is a small country with a wealth of competition. Almaty is the right size of a city to host the Winter Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 FYI Almaty Kazakhstan is not like Doha Qatar, Almaty can host the games in the IOC liked hosting period also Kazakhstan have full women rights and is an democracy you can drink beer where ever you like in Kazakhstan too, Almaty also have world class ski resorts also the President of Kazakhstan is well liked by the Western World so there wont be the worries of the likes of Putin again. Hmmmm, interestingly enough, that's many said about Turkey & Istanbul 2020, too. Go figure. *that's what many said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think Kazakhstan would of had more chance with Astana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Astana = middle of desert. Almaty = close to mountains. Now which place seems more suited to host Winter Olympics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Astana = middle of desert. Almaty = close to mountains. Now which place seems more suited to host Winter Olympics? Of course Almaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Of course Almaty. So what was that you were saying about doing your research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 So what was that you were saying about doing your research? It was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympikfan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Let the IOC give it to Oslo save everyone time and money. Hey! were done thanks kids for showing up. Just like The IOC gave it to 2020. The IOC is going to drag this for no reason. The race is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Let the IOC give it to Oslo save everyone time and money. Hey! were done thanks kids for showing up. Just like The IOC gave it to 2020. The IOC is going to drag this for no reason. The race is over. It's NOT going to Oslo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympikfan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Again give to Oslo so time and money is saved. Does the world really need to go through this. The race is over. Hey, thanks for showing up! lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympikfan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Lets see Almaty, lets ask Borat. Beijing come on in Asia after 2018. Krakow surrrrrrree. Lviv they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 After 2014 in Eastern Europe / Asia and 2018 in Asia AND 2020 in Asia too, there is no chance for Beijing,Almaty or Lviv. Krakow may be counts as "Western Europe". So it will be between Oslo and Krakow. It most likely will go to Oslo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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