ScholaOsloensis Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 We're not talking about all of Europe. It's only about the potential 2022 competitors (& Ostersund). In that sense, Stockholm would be the most practical & compelling choice. Uhm, this comment has really nothing to do with the point of the out-of-context quote. ---- But anyways, Stockholm will formally declare their intent! So congrats:-) That should be exciting. They will go through with further reviews before they decide to apply for government guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 So, now we have 2 bids each from: Scandinavia (Oslo, Stockholm) Eastern Europe (Krakow, Lviv) Asia (Almaty, Beijing) This is a great mixture. It should make for a fun race. What a difference from a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markun Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I just hope all the cities get to the stage of a formal application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Go Stockholm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissO Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Do we know which consulting agencies are behind each of the applicant cities ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Almaty, Kazakhstan Lviv, Ukraine Beijing, China Krakow, Poland Oslo, Norway Stockholm, Sweden Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina USA Germany Canada Spain Finland Switzerland Ostersund, Sweden Harbin, China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 The Bavarian voters have sure changed the complexion of the race, eh? To me, at this stage it's almost like 2020 again - all the ones left standing have some baggage to overcome. I'm not hot for Beijing at all. My personal feelings play a large part in that, but beyond that, when the IOC appears to be struggling to re-build interest in the West in hosting, I think sending it to the largest metropolis in the world in a strictly-controlled society is sending the wrong message. Sure, it may not have a lot to build in Beijing itself, but doesn't the Zhangjiakou site need developing from scratch? And most people will just see "Beijing" and consider that it takes a mega-metropolis with no concerns about money to organise a WOGs now. besides, as has been mentioned often enough here, is three consecutive Asian games in a row a likely sequence? Lviv, Almaty and Krakow are untried and will have to convince they're up to it. I'm not saying they can't be strong contenders, but they're going to have to build their case. It's going to be interesting to see the short list evaluation report and how they rate Krakow's venue spread and Almaty's capabilities. I think all three are definite host material in the future, but 2022 could still be too early. We'll see. And that leaves the Scandinavians. We'll know in a few days, but I still wouldn't be surprised if neither Oslo or Stockholm eventuate. For all their NOCs' willingness to go, from what I am seeing it still seems the political backing is not locked in. And Stockholm? I WANT to believe, but I'm not confident the Stockholm-Are split is such an easy handicap to overcome. Maybe I'm just being too cautiously pessimistic, and I'll jump on the bandwagon if the Swedes do go for it, but not with any great confidence. Assuming all the above go ahead with bids (and even allowing for a last minute surprise like a Borjomi), I guess I'd put Oslo in the front, with Stockholm, Krakow or Almaty as potential viable challengers. But I wouldn't put money on any of them yet. I totally agree with this. There isn't a real humdinger out of the lot of them. All have considerable drawbacks. The reliable option would be Oslo, but if the IOC rebuffs the Swedes again, they may never bid again. There is a part of me that wonders if neither Oslo nor Stockhom will be on the ballot on voting day due to lack of governmental support. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'll say it now. If it's clear sailing all the way until election day. I'd bet on Krakow, the Solidarity-Pope Karol Wojtyla Games, with a hint of Dracula thrown in since the Carpathian mountains will feature for the first time in an Olympics!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 There is a part of me that wonders if neither Oslo nor Stockhom will be on the ballot on voting day due to lack of governmental support. We'll see. Yeah, I'm still reluctant to declare either of these certain starters. I still wouldn't be surprised if either or both of these fall by the wayside before the next deadline (I assume that will be early next year with their bid questionaires). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorwayOlympics Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Some distances between the different Olympic clusters (From the main Olympic/Paralympic village to the other in the mountain cluster): Stockholm 2022 distances: Oslo 2022 distances: Beijing 2022 distances: Krakow 2022 distances: Lviv 2022 distances: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Damn, those are some FAAAAAAAR distances. All of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 That's why I thought Almaty might be ahead with only a 45km distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'll say it now. If it's clear sailing all the way until election day. I'd bet on Krakow, the Solidarity-Pope Karol Wojtyla Games, with a hint of Dracula thrown in since the Carpathian mountains will feature for the first time in an Olympics!! It's not the Carpathian (Romania) mountains, but the Tatra (Poland/Slovakia) mountains -> no hint of Dracula... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie_Victoria Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 It's not the Carpathian (Romania) mountains, but the Tatra (Poland/Slovakia) mountains -> no hint of Dracula... Erszebet Bathory then. Hungarian but she lived and took her victims in the Tatras. And she wasn't any less blood-thirsty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Distance isn't everything...depending on the infrastructure, you might be faster at places 200km away than at some places in 50km distance. That said, I still believe the distance is a killer for a Stockholm/Åre bid. Also, it's not "just" the luge or curling (i.e. the less attractive events of the WOG), but alpine skiing, the real core of the WOG. Having most of those events so far away somehow just doesn't feel right to me, as much as Sweden hosting would be attractive otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 It's not the Carpathian (Romania) mountains, but the Tatra (Poland/Slovakia) mountains -> no hint of Dracula... Martin, a number of the maps I checked classify it as part of the Carpathian mountains, the western end of it. But OK, Vlad Tepes had a summer home there then. Stockholm 2022 distances: Oslo 2022 distances: Beijing 2022 distances: Krakow 2022 distances: Lviv 2022 distances: If they built the luge tracks between the cities, then people could get to the other site in half the time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I wonder which of these mountain ranges have the required "Downhill" drop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Good god, Are is nearer to Trondheim??!! Knew it'd be a fair way north, but not that far. Sundsvall & Ornoskoldsvik (sp?) are closer, but I guess they're both too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p85 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Distance isn't everything...depending on the infrastructure, you might be faster at places 200km away than at some places in 50km distance. Exactly, I can't really see getting from Lviv to Volovets in 2h 22min, unless you have an off-road vehicle. And don't forget that you can get to some venues/clusters by plane. Forget about Romanian Dracula or Hungarian Elisabeth Bathory. Let me introduce you to Juraj Janosik, Slovak version of Robin Hood, very popular in Poland. I think Poprad-Tatry 2002 bid even tried to use that character as an official mascot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I've never really acknowledged just how VAST Sweden is, it must be one of Europe's biggest countries when you think it goes a fair way north of Are & all the way south to Malmö. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Good god, Are is nearer to Trondheim??!! Knew it'd be a fair way north, but not that far. Sundsvall & Ornoskoldsvik (sp?) are closer, but I guess they're both too small. According to Wiki, Sundsvall has 50.000 inhabitants and Ö-vik 28.000 - of course far too small if you consider nowadays kind of winter bidders. On the other hand, Östersund which has pretty much most of what is needed to host, is much closer to Åre and has 44.000. Until 94, this was not considered small for a winter host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What a ridiculous travel time between Stockholm and Are. This is really going to hinder the bid. Hmmm, it will be a tough sell but at the same time Sweden is long overdue for a Winter Olympics. This could be a sentiment shared by many IOC members that could help Stockholm. Got some side info here: Calgary was ready to submit a bid for 2022. COC rejected them, not interested in bidding for 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 According to Wiki, Sundsvall has 50.000 inhabitants and Ö-vik 28.000 - of course far too small if you consider nowadays kind of winter bidders. On the other hand, Östersund which has pretty much most of what is needed to host, is much closer to Åre and has 44.000. Until 94, this was not considered small for a winter host. This is where one has to question whether the Olympics are getting too big for their own good. I have to say that an Ostersund bid would've made much more sense if it weren't for the fact that the Games have outgrown the city. The IOC had better brace itself for a lot more bid cycles with vast distances between the candidate cities and the alpine events. Calgary was ready to submit a bid for 2022. COC rejected them, not interested in bidding for 2022. That was very sane of the COC. Way too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What if Norway and Sweden concocted a joint bid?? That would blow away all those bids east of them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorwayOlympics Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Distances for Krakow 2022 without the Alpine site in Slovakia (in fact Poland could stage the giant slalom and slalom events themself) Krakow - Myslenice - Zakopane = 106 km Krakow cluster: Opening and Closing ceremonies, Medal ceremonies (Main market square or Wawel hill), Olympic/Paralympic Village, IBC, MMC, Ice hockey 1, Ice hockey 2, Curling, Figure skating/Short-track, Speed skating, Bobsleigh, luge and skeleton (Myslenice (Bobsleigh track 30 km outside of Krakow)). Zakopane cluster: Medal ceremonies, Biathlon, Ski jumping, Cross-country skiing, Nordic Combined, Snowboard (halfpipe, slopestyle, Snowboard slalom, Snowboard cross), Freestyle skiing (moguls, aerials, slopestyle, and ski-cross). Some of the venue plans (which yet have not been posted on Gamesbids forums): Bobsleigh-track: Myslenice Cross-country skiing below the Giewont in central Zakopane (In the lower right corner you can see the large ski-jumping hill in Zakopane): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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