Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Cape Town is probably the more notable city in South Africa, but Durban probably provides more of what the IOC is looking for in terms of a technical setup and the climate for their preferred window for the games in late July or August. Cape Town's loss in 1997 means little here. It was nearly 2 decades ago with South Africa only recently having emerged from the apartheid era. Having hosted the FIFA World Cup since then makes it a different ballgame for the country and whatever city they choose Does anyone find it weird that Johannesburg or Pretoria hasn't been mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I also have a hard time believing Gold Coast Lions is from the Gold Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Does anyone find it weird that Johannesburg or Pretoria hasn't been mentioned?[/quote Johannesburg has been mentioned before. Take the time & look through old threads to see what the discussion has been about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Cape Town or Durban before Johannesburg because of altitude and temperature issues right? Edited January 16, 2014 by Lord David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Lol Perth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Lol Perth. Tbh, it has as much of a credible stake at a future Aus Olympics as Brisbane does. Although I feel certain Brisbane will be our next bid city in the next decade or two. The thing about Perth is that it is one of the wealthiest cities in the English speaking world, is growing quite fast, and is close to Asia. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Tbh, it has as much of a credible stake at a future Aus Olympics as Brisbane does. Although I feel certain Brisbane will be our next bid city in the next decade or two. The thing about Perth is that it is one of the wealthiest cities in the English speaking world, is growing quite fast, and is close to Asia. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I don't think Brisbane will get the bidding nod either. They will probably go with something that has a real chance. Melbourne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I don't think Brisbane will get the bidding nod either. They will probably go with something that has a real chance. Melbourne. Well, John Coates has said he *prefers* the idea of Brisbane - namely due to it being the weather factor (it CAN stage the games in July - the best Melbourne can offer is a cool to warm September Olympics/October Paralympics) and that it is the natural third option of Australian cities not to have hosted --- but that was just my point --- Brisbane AND Perth are up and coming Australian cities, which makes me question Coates authority to make such a call. He is also an old man that is known to have seen Melbourne as a thorn in his side (he probably perceived it as a threat, or obstacle to making a Sydney Olympics happen), so by the time it is appropriate for Australia to consider bidding again for the Olympics (2040 at the VERY earliest IMO - even then I anticipate a wait until 2060) he will either be dead or Perth or Melbourne or even Sydney will have a right to challenge Brisbane on its rumoured "right" to be the next Australian bid city. Sydney is the other thing people forget - in 20 years time it will have a credible case to want a second Olympics. If it is successful or not is another thing, but if you consider that Moscow dared to go for 2012 - I could imagine a Sydney bid having greater success. Los Angeles too is a serious option for 2024 following 1984. By then Sydney's second airport will hopefully be in full operation (although this is NSW, so who knows) and Olympic Park at Homebush could use a facelift - so it might actually be a very exciting idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4gamesandcounting Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Well, John Coates has said he *prefers* the idea of Brisbane - namely due to it being the weather factor (it CAN stage the games in July - the best Melbourne can offer is a cool to warm September Olympics/October Paralympics) and that it is the natural third option of Australian cities not to have hosted --- but that was just my point --- Brisbane AND Perth are up and coming Australian cities, which makes me question Coates authority to make such a call. He is also an old man that is known to have seen Melbourne as a thorn in his side (he probably perceived it as a threat, or obstacle to making a Sydney Olympics happen), so by the time it is appropriate for Australia to consider bidding again for the Olympics (2040 at the VERY earliest IMO - even then I anticipate a wait until 2060) he will either be dead or Perth or Melbourne or even Sydney will have a right to challenge Brisbane on its rumoured "right" to be the next Australian bid city. Sydney is the other thing people forget - in 20 years time it will have a credible case to want a second Olympics. If it is successful or not is another thing, but if you consider that Moscow dared to go for 2012 - I could imagine a Sydney bid having greater success. Los Angeles too is a serious option for 2024 following 1984. By then Sydney's second airport will hopefully be in full operation (although this is NSW, so who knows) and Olympic Park at Homebush could use a facelift - so it might actually be a very exciting idea. I think sydney has a genuine shot of another games in twenty years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Well, John Coates has said he *prefers* the idea of Brisbane - namely due to it being the weather factor (it CAN stage the games in July - the best Melbourne can offer is a cool to warm September Olympics/October Paralympics) and that it is the natural third option of Australian cities not to have hosted --- but that was just my point --- Brisbane AND Perth are up and coming Australian cities, which makes me question Coates authority to make such a call. He is also an old man that is known to have seen Melbourne as a thorn in his side (he probably perceived it as a threat, or obstacle to making a Sydney Olympics happen), so by the time it is appropriate for Australia to consider bidding again for the Olympics (2040 at the VERY earliest IMO - even then I anticipate a wait until 2060) he will either be dead or Perth or Melbourne or even Sydney will have a right to challenge Brisbane on its rumoured "right" to be the next Australian bid city. Sydney is the other thing people forget - in 20 years time it will have a credible case to want a second Olympics. If it is successful or not is another thing, but if you consider that Moscow dared to go for 2012 - I could imagine a Sydney bid having greater success. Los Angeles too is a serious option for 2024 following 1984. By then Sydney's second airport will hopefully be in full operation (although this is NSW, so who knows) and Olympic Park at Homebush could use a facelift - so it might actually be a very exciting idea. I myself have posted about a potential Brisbane bid and olympics before and am aware of Coates. It is extremely rare for the 3rd most populated city in a country to host an olympics. Shown by Manchesters results in 1996 and 2000. Then the games went to the biggest city, London. I'm not too sure on Australia actually. Melbourne has the heat problem, Brisbane is relatively unknown and Sydney has hosted too recently. A city like Paris couldn't land a games within 100 years of hosting. LA got both games by being the only bidder. London waited 64 years. So i'm not really sure which city will get the nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hufus Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Melbourne would be in revolt if Sydney got a second games before us. It's political poison for any Australian government that supports such a travesty ------------- Perth for me is a better choice than Brisbane, but neither is a good choice. Maybe by the time 2044 rolls around that will have changed, but for me I'd like to see another Australian games in my lifetime, and that realistically means Melbourne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 SYDNEY, SYDNEY, SYDNEY, SYDNEY 2040! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 The Perth debate seems to have hijacked the Can NZ Host page, so I'd thought I would pull this back up into Page 1. Still with a rather harsh budget announced overnight for Australia...solely because the previous administration hedged everything on a pointlessly heavy mining tax, and failed...a result of the failling demand for raw material by China and India...could this effect the "wealthy" golden city on the edge of the desert? The initial boom was caused by mine development, once they start operating, the workforce eases off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 IF Australia is so lucky to get a third shot, it will realistically be a second Melbourne or Sydney Games. Brisbane is a maybe - Perth def not no matter how much it grows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 solely because the previous administration hedged everything on a pointlessly heavy mining tax, and failed...a result of the failling demand for raw material by China and India...could this effect the "wealthy" golden city on the edge of the desert? The initial boom was caused by mine development, once they start operating, the workforce eases off. No, the reason the budget was so bad was because of the current government rushing to get out of surplus. Treasurer Joe Hockey does not understand economics (funny that the man running our finances doesn't have an economics degree). The "sole" reason the budget is in deficit is because of the Global Financial Crisis. I am sick of hearing how Australia is in dire need of help (we have a AAA credit rating, we are nowhere near as bad as Greece or Spain and our debt is nowhere near as high as other countries such as USA, Japan etc). The government fails to recognize the GFC and that what Labor did helped save us from deep recessions. The current government also is giving businesses tax cuts while slugging the poor. They don't know how to manage finances. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympiaki-agones Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'd rather see the Olympics in NZ, even if it means to cut out many boring and little seen sports and reduce places for huge delegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'd rather see the Olympics in NZ, even if it means to cut out many boring and little seen sports and reduce places for huge delegations. NZ simply couldn't sustain an Olympics within the next few decades - Auckland is that bit too small, and the economy couldn't do it. I'd say an Olympics going into the 2020s and beyond would even be a stretch for Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is this thread legit? I pitty the fool that made this thread... Well, John Coates has said he *prefers* the idea of Brisbane - namely due to it being the weather factor (it CAN stage the games in July - the best Melbourne can offer is a cool to warm September Olympics/October Paralympics) and that it is the natural third option of Australian cities not to have hosted --- but that was just my point --- Brisbane AND Perth are up and coming Australian cities, which makes me question Coates authority to make such a call. He is also an old man that is known to have seen Melbourne as a thorn in his side (he probably perceived it as a threat, or obstacle to making a Sydney Olympics happen), so by the time it is appropriate for Australia to consider bidding again for the Olympics (2040 at the VERY earliest IMO - even then I anticipate a wait until 2060) he will either be dead or Perth or Melbourne or even Sydney will have a right to challenge Brisbane on its rumoured "right" to be the next Australian bid city. Sydney is the other thing people forget - in 20 years time it will have a credible case to want a second Olympics. If it is successful or not is another thing, but if you consider that Moscow dared to go for 2012 - I could imagine a Sydney bid having greater success. Los Angeles too is a serious option for 2024 following 1984. By then Sydney's second airport will hopefully be in full operation (although this is NSW, so who knows) and Olympic Park at Homebush could use a facelift - so it might actually be a very exciting idea. Sydney has the best shot IMO...it's also the one that excited me the most, or maybe it's just 2000 nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Melbourne would be the next Australian host if it ever formalized a bid up there in the 30s. Perth could nominate it's self but could become unstuck if the mining boom slows right down to everyday operations and no new mines are created in the next ten to fifteen years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Is this thread legit? I pitty the fool that made this thread... Sydney has the best shot IMO...it's also the one that excited me the most, or maybe it's just 2000 nostalgia. Fair call - although Melbourne is a boomtown. Plus the changes it has gone through as a result of this boom render it a completely different place to the one the IOC became familiar with in 1956 and 1990. It has a potentially show-stopping plan with its expanse of waterfront options and existing facilities. But I agree - Sydney is a bigger threat to any future Melbourne Olympic aspirations than Perth or Brisbane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I dunno...I think there would be that "well you hosted it last time" feeling going and Melbourne, although already an Olympic city, would stand a better chance with a life time gap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Its all at least a solid 15/20 years away before we see a realistic bid - so its certainly hard to saw at the end of the day. All said and done, I'd put my money on Melbourne - but there are so many variables that its clearly very hard to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Its all at least a solid 15/20 years away before we see a realistic bid - so its certainly hard to saw at the end of the day. All said and done, I'd put my money on Melbourne - but there are so many variables that its clearly very hard to know. Same feeling, as much as I praise GCL for his enthusiastic promotion of Perth, it's a long way off from bidding. But still on the other side of 2052, who knows? This could be for Australia as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Coast Lions Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Perth Australia is ranked number 9 by the New York Times as the best place to visit the only place in Australia in the top 52 and is the only Australian place short listed for the New 7 Wonders cities there are 27 other cities short-listed in it, Perth is now an city growing up as an international city, Political we are 20 yeara ahead of other Australian states in our Relations with Asia, Hillary Clinton visited Perth and Western Australia was an very important partner in the space race and the moon landing with the USA. Sir Elton John, Robbie Williams, Eric Singer and Tom Cruise all have houses in Perth. Perth is home to the richest Women in the world Gina Rinehart and the greatest ever Tennis Player in history Rev Dr Margaret Court. https://www.new7wonders.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Perth Australia is ranked number 9 by the New York Times as the best place to visit Perth came in somewhere below Albania on that list. I wouldn't be too excited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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