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I agree there's no commitment made, but surely the significance of this is that it's the government that seems keen. It was the NOC that was gung-ho to go for 2020, and the government that put the brakes on that. Now it would seem the official support is there.

If there is widespread government support, that is very big. This story only mentions Jacob Zuma.

The Gamesbids headline is not quite correct because the word "bid" does not appear once in any of the quotes. Zuma said they would be "happy to host" and "we certainly welcome if the Olympic committee offered us to host." Zuma isn't talking about bidding at all. It makes me wonder how much familiarity he has with the process. What nation wouldn't be happy if the IOC offered them the Games?

The story also reads: "South Africa would be 'very happy' if it became the first African nation to host the 2024 Summer Games." Rob's grammar is a bit off -- will there be multiple African nations hosting the 2024 Summer Games?

I don't know what South Africa will do, but this story does seem to move the needle towards the likelihood that they will bid. I just don't know how much the needle moved.

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I would think that if they felt like they had the capability to do it, Rabat would consider a possible bid for the Olympics if Durban decides not to go at it for 2024.

If there is widespread government support, that is very big. This story only mentions Jacob Zuma.

The Gamesbids headline is not quite correct because the word "bid" does not appear once in any of the quotes. Zuma said they would be "happy to host" and "we certainly welcome if the Olympic committee offered us to host." Zuma isn't talking about bidding at all. It makes me wonder how much familiarity he has with the process. What nation wouldn't be happy if the IOC offered them the Games?

The story also reads: "South Africa would be 'very happy' if it became the first African nation to host the 2024 Summer Games." Rob's grammar is a bit off -- will there be multiple African nations hosting the 2024 Summer Games?

I don't know what South Africa will do, but this story does seem to move the needle towards the likelihood that they will bid. I just don't know how much the needle moved.

Rabat, Morocco?

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So, one guy said that RSA would be happy to host if the IOC gave them the games.

I'm not quite ready to declare the race over based on that.

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I doubt that Rabat (whether capable or not) would get far, though, if Istanbul gets the 2020 Games.

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It should also be noticed that nowhere in that story does he explicitly mention 2024, just the "near future".

Sports Features Communications mentioned a few other African contenders - but really, it's the type of list that probably got pulled of Wikipedia:

(SFC) South African leader Jacob Zuma has reconfirmed that his country would be very happy to become the first African nation to host the Olympic Games and he sets his new viewpoint towards 2024.

Zuma was attending the 5th Tokyo International Conference on African Development (TICAD V) and stopped off to meet with the press at the Japan National Press Club in Tokyo.

"If we are given an opportunity in the near future, we'll certainly welcome that," Zuma told reporters.

"I think South Africa will be very happy to host the Olympics. We have, I think, sufficient facilities to do so."

"Ever since 1994, we have been part of the world and have hosted a number of important world events and when it comes to the Olympics, you know, we also attempted to host it," he said.

The IOC session was held in Durban in 2011 that saw the election of host city PyeongChang 2018 for the winter Games. Durban had been rumored to be a top candidate due to the warmer weather conditions in the city in the summer time.

However after a feasibility study was carried out, the Pretoria government preferred to use any available funding on social services to boost local resources for residents and that prevailed as a priority over an Olympic bid.

The 2024 bid race will kick off in 2015 and a number of cities have been considering putting a bid together, Nairobi, Kenya and Casablanca, Morocco and two other possibilities from the continent. Doha, Qatar is rumored to be back for another round after being shortlisted off twice with the message of taking the Games for the first time to the Middle East.

One strong contender, the USA is also mulling over a number of cities that have expressed interest, namely Los Angeles who hosted the ’84 Games could come back as a heavy hitter. No decision has been made by the USOC as to a candidate as there is plenty of time to study all the angles.

Should Paris, France get back in the race the 2024 Games would mark the 100 yr anniversary since the last time they hosted the Olympics in 1924.

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So, one guy said that RSA would be happy to host if the IOC gave them the games.

I'm not quite ready to declare the race over based on that.

Exactly.

It should also be noticed that nowhere in that story does he explicitly mention 2024, just the "near future".

That's a very good point. To be honest, it's rather sloppy writing on Rob's part. There's no mention of "bid" or "2024" in the quotes and yet the headline is "South Africa happy to bid for 2024 Summer Games."

I call that questionable journalism.

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Exactly.

That's a very good point. To be honest, it's rather sloppy writing on Rob's part. There's no mention of "bid" or "2024" in the quotes and yet the headline is "South Africa happy to bid for 2024 Summer Games."

I call that questionable journalism.

He's not the only one. A lot of the versions of the story around the traps have "bid" and "2024" in their headlines.

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He's not the only one. A lot of the versions of the story around the traps have "bid" and "2024" in their headlines.

I see. Perhaps it just got pulled verbatim from a newswire. Still, I'd prefer to correct somebody else's mistake rather than disseminating it among a wider audience.

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I see. Perhaps it just got pulled verbatim from a newswire. Still, I'd prefer to correct somebody else's mistake rather than disseminating it among a wider audience.

Agree - it wouldn't have got past my sub-editors.

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Having looked into it more, I'm on board with a Durban Games. I also didn't know that Durban had a more African feel than Cape Town, but I'll take Rols' word for it.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying they'd be a lock, but as long as they put in a workable, short-listable bid I think they'd be hard to campaign against.



Having looked into it more, I'm on board with a Durban Games. I also didn't know that Durban had a more African feel than Cape Town, but I'll take Rols' word for it.

That's just a very personal "feel" about it. No doubt others have different perspectives - as evidenced by so many who can't let go of the notion of Cape Town.

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I would think that if they felt like they had the capability to do it, Rabat would consider a possible bid for the Olympics if Durban decides not to go at it for 2024.

Rabat, Morocco?

Actually Morocco is diplomatically isolated -At least partially- by the African bloc with conflicts with neighbourns -Algeria and Mauritania- and the situation in Western Sahara. Also, Morocco is out of the African Union since 1986. Even with recent close ties, it would be almost impossible for Morocco get the african votes.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying they'd be a lock, but as long as they put in a workable, short-listable bid I think they'd be hard to campaign against.

That's just a very personal "feel" about it. No doubt others have different perspectives - as evidenced by so many who can't let go of the notion of Cape Town.

I still think that a lot depends who they will be eventually running against. If there is one alpha city that has never hosted before, I feel like they could definitely provide a challenge.

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I still think that a lot depends who they will be eventually running against. If there is one alpha city that has never hosted before, I feel like they could definitely provide a challenge.

I agree. I think a lot of people are too quick to declare them the winner already as soon as they have a good enough plan to bid with. We know the IOC is looking to go to Africa sooner rather than later, but that certainly doesn't mean they'll jump on the first bid they're offer if there's another compelling candidate out there.

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2024 seems little bit early for South Africa, 2020 is most likely going to Tokyo Japan every time that Japan gets given the games the next ones are in North America eg Tokyo 64 - Mexico City 1968, Sapporo 1972 - Denver 1976, Nagano 1998 - Salt Lake City 2002. So Toronto Canada is the natural host for the 2024 Summer Olympics Games if Tokyo Japan gets 2020 Games, 2028 is the time for South Africa to get the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games Cape Town is the most likely city to get the 1st African Olympics Games, Cape Town Western Cape South Africa is thee sports, tourist and entertainment capital of Africa so Cape Town will be the best city for an South African Olympics Games.

So I think that 2020 will go to

2020 Tokyo Japan

2024 Toronto Canada

2028 Cape Town South Africa

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I think it's more like some people misconstrue a lot of the things that are said on the subject. Of course a South African bid wouldn't be declared the winner as soon as presenting a workable project, at least I've never said that. But their emotive card is going to be extremely hard to ignore once they do.

And it's not like there's that many "true" compelling candidates left out there anyway. After China, South America & arguably Turkey, the only one that's left is Africa. And I've even said before that a Paris & perhaps a Rome candidacy could give the South Africans a good run for their money, but their pitches still wouldn't be as impactful as one for an entire continent. Even the "only Alpha city in the world that hasn't hosted" would have a tough time with that one (which they haven't even made a peep about anyway, 4 months after the USOC letter). At least South Africa is talking about it.

What I have noticed around these boards when it comes to this subject, the far majority who always question, criticize or what have you any South African propects, are mainly the ones who are from cities who fanticize about having the Olympics in their own backyard. So really can't take those types of views too objectively.

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2024 seems little bit early for South Africa, 2020 is most likely going to Tokyo Japan every time that Japan gets given the games the next ones are in North America eg Tokyo 64 - Mexico City 1968, Sapporo 1972 - Denver 1976, Nagano 1998 - Salt Lake City 2002. So Toronto Canada is the natural host for the 2024 Summer Olympics Games if Tokyo Japan gets 2020 Games, 2028 is the time for South Africa to get the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games Cape Town is the most likely city to get the 1st African Olympics Games, Cape Town Western Cape South Africa is thee sports, tourist and entertainment capital of Africa so Cape Town will be the best city for an South African Olympics Games.

So I think that 2020 will go to

2020 Tokyo Japan

2024 Toronto Canada

2028 Cape Town South Africa

That's not a pattern, that's a coincidence. Has no bearing on future hosts just like 8's in Asia is a coincidence, not a pattern. And worth noting.. all of those Japan hostings you mentioned were preceded by a European host (Rome 1960, Grenoble 1968, Lillehammer 1994). This one wouldn't be.. I don't know that the IOC would go more than 2 cycles without a European host. You're suggesting they go 4. Can't see that happening.

Remember also the circumstances of those wins. Mexico City's competition was from Detroit and Lyon, France. Not exactly A-list cities there. Montreal's `76 win came in part from not wanting either of the 2 main cold war super powers to host as they were the only other options. And Salt Lake was only a couple of votes away from beating Nagano in `98, so they were an easy choice for 2002.

2024 is in no way too early for South Africa. But if Japan wins, look for some strong competition from Europe for 2024 that could push South Africa off to 2028. At the risk of insulting our Canadian posters here, Toronto is not a natural host for 2024. They'll have a tough time beating out big cities from Europe, especially if the field includes Paris and/or Rome.

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It's quite funny when some people see only what they wanna see when it comes to "patterns", in order to give a certain amount of credence for their preferential, partial choice, without looking further as to how & why those patterns, if we can even call them that, took place to begin with.

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what I have noticed around these boards when it comes to this subject, the far majority who always question, criticize or what have you any South African propects, are mainly the ones who are from cities who fanticize about having the Olympics in their own backyard. So really can't take those types of views too objectively.

Good god just because I would like a games in Brisbane doesn't mean I think there will be one in the next 30 years. Your argument is so wrong if you throw out someone's opinion because of something irrelevant to the criticism of a south Africa bid. All that pisses me off is that it seems Durban has to throw in a half decent bid to win the games yet Paris or Rome might have an excellent bid and yet lose to a city which is less capable to host all because of a new frontier
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I agree with OFD. You can't discount what is said just because of who says it. Many of us here don't have agendas even if we happen to live in an Olympic calibre city.

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Durban can't present a half decent bid and expect to win. Look what happened to Athens in 1990.

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Good god just because I would like a games in Brisbane doesn't mean I think there will be one in the next 30 years. Your argument is so wrong if you throw out someone's opinion because of something irrelevant to the criticism of a south Africa bid. All that pisses me off is that it seems Durban has to throw in a half decent bid to win the games yet Paris or Rome might have an excellent bid and yet lose to a city which is less capable to host all because of a new frontier

I wasn't even referring to you when I wrote that. As a matter of fact, you nor Brisbane weren't even on my radar. But I find it just as irritating that others write off the opinions about South Africa with the "they're not ready card" based on not very much.

But your compatriot Runningrings has very level headed opinions on South Africa, yet you (& some others on here) always seem to offer nothing but the negative aspects on South Africa & never mind the good attributes. That "pisses me off" just as much, if not moreso.

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^I think some Toronto users may seem "threatened" by a Durban and that's who you are referring to. For the record, I think Durban hosting is inevitable and they have many characteristics that work in their favour. However, the idea that they'll just get handed the games in 2024 with a half decent bid is beyond insane. I don't care if they have the weight of an entire continent on their side, 2024 is not "in the bag" for Durban by any means if they bid.

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Durban can't present a half decent bid and expect to win. Look what happened to Athens in 1990.

Nobody's saying they will. They've got to present one that will get the tick of confidence from the IOC technical evaluators before they can get anywhere. That's probably their biggest task, and the stage they're going to be under the most critical scrutiny. But if they can get on the shortlist, if the tech guys are satisfied, then they've got such a strong emotional pull and platform to play on - more than making up for all those "they can't win at their first attempt" dismissals that come up here.

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