FYI Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Largest cities in the respective states - WOW - compared to a middling European city - sounds like someone who doesn't even own a passport? And it would not surprise me if the GDP of Portugal exceeded Minnesota and North Carolina. I do have a passport, FYI. And I've acually been to Copenhagen, along with several other European cities. So thanks for assuming something that you have absolutely no clue of. And "WOW", so it wouldn't 'surprise you' if the GDP of Portugal exceeded Minnesota & North Carolina. That speaks volumes in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I do have a passport, FYI. And I've acually been to Copenhagen, along with several other European cities. So thanks for assuming something that you have absolutely no clue of. And "WOW", so it wouldn't 'surprise you' if the GDP of Portugal exceeded Minnesota & North Carolina. That speaks volumes in itself The only clueless comments are those thinking that the arrogantly stated middling European cities couldn't host a successful Summer Olympics totally lacking the over commercialisation and tackiness seem in 1984 and 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I would like to see games in Portugal, btw......it's not country from yesterday like some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I never said that, mr. "arrogant, clueless", omniscient one. What I said was, if these medium-sized cities ever found themselves in competition on par to themselves, then perhaps they can host. So don't put words in my mouth. What compelling argument could a place like Lisbon or Copenhagen have over their larger, more glamorous neighbors like Paris, Rome, Berlin or Moscow. Or new continents like South America & Africa or 1/5 of humanity like China> Or new winter frontiers like South Korea & Sochi. Whenever the IOC has been presented with these type of cities before i.e. Manchester, Birmingham, Seville, Lille, Leipzig, Prague, they have effectively shoved all of them to the wayside in favor of more compelling places & projects (see London 2012). So what makes Lisbon so special besides being the capital of a European country & more than "3,000 years old". Again, if they're bidding against the likes of Minneapolis, Hiroshima & Stuttgart, then yeah, there's a chance there. But when up against bigger shows & players, I don't see it playing out their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Is Lisbon the new Burlington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'll have to give you that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I never said that, mr. "arrogant, clueless", omniscient one. What I said was, if these medium-sized cities ever found themselves in competition on par to themselves, then perhaps they can host. So don't put words in my mouth. What compelling argument could a place like Lisbon or Copenhagen have over their larger, more glamorous neighbors like Paris, Rome, Berlin or Moscow. Or new continents like South America & Africa or 1/5 of humanity like China> Or new winter frontiers like South Korea & Sochi. Whenever the IOC has been presented with these type of cities before i.e. Manchester, Birmingham, Seville, Lille, Leipzig, Prague, they have effectively shoved all of them to the wayside in favor of more compelling places & projects (see London 2012). So what makes Lisbon so special besides being the capital of a European country & more than "3,000 years old". Again, if they're bidding against the likes of Minneapolis, Hiroshima & Stuttgart, then yeah, there's a chance there. But when up against bigger shows & players, I don't see it playing out their way. Again the medium sized city comment ... Paris, Berlin, Moscow and Rome have to decide they want to bid and as Rome showed they bailed out. Again you could argue that outside of Brazil no other South American country can host nor in Africa outside of South Africa. Lisbon is a better option than Nairobi.. I see of all the cities you mention, only one (Prague) is a capital or largest city in the country - Lisbon is the largest city and capital of its country and the IOC likes capital cities. You undermine your own argument with non-comparable bids. What Lisbon offers is a new location in a country capable of handling millions of tourists, that has hosted multiple international events before, which has a significant number of sports facilities and venues in place and the will to invest heavily in venues (Euro2004) to host events as well as an ever expanding infrastructure. It is recognised as a global city - it is the 9th largest city worldwide in the number of international conferences held for example, alternates with Rio hosting the Rock in Rio world's largest music festival etc and is considered the 'capital of the Lusophone world' - add to this the attractiveness of the city, its ideal climate, the compact nature of the bid with events such as sailing held in the Tagus estuary and Atlantic seaboard for example. Lisbon has a number of the qualities and less of the baggage that other bids might carry with them No-one is saying they'll bid in 2024 and 2028 but to say they can't put together an attractive and positive bid for the IOC to consider is pathetic ... the question the blogger asked was why not the likes of Copenhagen or Lisbon. Try to take the blinkers off. Is Lisbon the new Burlington? Clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 who are you to tell me what to do....I am free to open any thread i want, get over it I am NOT ORDERING you to do anything. There are certain styles in English. Get USED to more English before strutting about in your high horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I am NOT ORDERING you to do anything. There are certain styles in English. Get USED to more English before strutting your high horse! firstly don't yell and stop to suggest me..........you attack people all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 The IOC need to take care though The race for 2020 has been unimpressive whilst there must be questions on who will bid for 2022. Euro2020 should be a lesson that if you reject nations time and time again, when you do want to award them the games they have other options and you're left with a fudge as other big nations say no. Do we want a showdown in the baking heat between Qatar and Dubai because other nations/cities of a 'medium' size who have the ability to put on a very good games aren't prepared to continue to keep bidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 firstly don't yell and stop to suggest me..........you attack people all the time Stop TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!! I am free to yell if I want...as you said!! And secondly, some people need to be told WHAT TO DO. Don't post if you don't want to be criticized. DUH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 1) Lisbon is a better option than Nairobi.. 2) I see of all the cities you mention, only one (Prague) is a capital or largest city in the country - Lisbon is the largest city and capital of its country and the IOC likes capital cities. You undermine your own argument with non-comparable bids. 3) What Lisbon offers is a new location in a country capable of handling millions of tourists, that has hosted multiple international events before, which has a significant number of sports facilities and venues in place and the will to invest heavily in venues (Euro2004) to host events as well as an ever expanding infrastructure. It is recognised as a global city - it is the 9th largest city worldwide in the number of international conferences held for example, alternates with Rio hosting the Rock in Rio world's largest music festival etc and is considered the 'capital of the Lusophone world' - add to this the attractiveness of the city, its ideal climate, the compact nature of the bid with events such as sailing held in the Tagus estuary and Atlantic seaboard for example. 4) No-one is saying they'll bid in 2024 and 2028 but to say they can't put together an attractive and positive bid for the IOC to consider is pathetic ... the question the blogger asked was why not the likes of Copenhagen or Lisbon. 1) I never said Nairobi was better. As a matter of fact, I never brought it up. It's quite obvious when Africa is mentioned, the only qualified candidate would be from South Africa, which neither have hosted yet. 2) Well, Baku is the largest & "capital" city of it's country, with very ambitious plans & hosting numerous things. But the IOC has said; "thanks, but no thanks", twice now. 3) Lisbon is not Rio. All Lisbon would offer is a "new" location within it's own region that's already hosted in 1992. Rio is on a continent that never had the honor before. Apples & oranges, to say the least. 4) What's "pathetic" is your grasping at straws arguments to put Lisbon on some of grand, Olympic pedestal. I do have the "blinkers" off, which is why I can see the bigger picture, & for the forseeable future, I don't see Lisbon in it. Simply bcuz they're "willing" to invest heavily, doesn't necessarily mean the IOC will bite. Again, just see Baku, or Doha, for that matter. And no, actually the poster was asking about "Copenhagen & Havana", not Lisbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Stop TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!! I am free to yell if I want...as you said!! And secondly, some people need to be told WHAT TO DO. Don't post if you don't want to be criticized. DUH!! Dream on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dream on Get real!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Get real!! tell it to yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Ph*ck off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Thin nerves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Thick face; big butt, small brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Can we riase the minimum posting age on the board to 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Due to lack of arguments - Insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 /\/\ Makes no sense as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Can we riase the minimum posting age on the board to 12? Tell it to 38 age year old guy, who should be ashamed of his age when start to swear someone 20 years old younger + female. Uncivilized! Tell it to 38 age year old guy, who should be ashamed of his age when start to swear someone 20 years old younger + female. Uncivilized! 20 years younger* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Oh boo!! Hiding behind the age & gender card. Have seen it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcelica Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Goethe the best described the lowest human behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Goethe the best described the lowest human behavior Really? Good for Goethe. I wonder where that got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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