Barcelona 2022

[gromit 27]

It should be noted these tiny facts

GDP per capita in Barcelona is 21% higher than the European average and in the metro area this climbs to 44%.

The idea that because some major companies are HQ'd in Madrid rather than Barcelona and therefore would not back a Spanish Winter bid boarders on the outright laughable.

[baron-pierreIV 1701]

It should be noted these tiny facts

GDP per capita in Barcelona is 21% higher than the European average and in the metro area this climbs to 44%.

The idea that because some major companies are HQ'd in Madrid rather than Barcelona and therefore would not back a Spanish Winter bid boarders on the outright laughable.

WRONG! My question was based on the fact that if Catalunya went its separate way from Spain, what are its funding resources? Again, you misinterpreted. Sigh.

Edited September 11, 2013 by baron-pierreIV

[StefanMUC 705]

Catalunya won't separate from Spain before the bid deadline in two months though And I don't know if the Spanish OC will really be keen on trying that one now.

Eventually it might be worth trying for Barcelona, but somehow I doubt the IOC is currently in a pro-Spanish mood, and with the likes of Oslo and Munich in the race, it's probably just a waste of money.

[Troupe 4]

Barcelona will meet Spanish NOC on Monday.

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/09/12/catalunya/1379018635_787962.html

[StefanMUC 705]

Maybe a bit optimistic on the costs, that plan, with all the construction to be done?

[world atlas 72]

Barcelona may bid for 2022 or postpone their plan to 2026 or 2030

Translated by Google:

mayor of the Catalan capital, Xavier Trias , is convinced of the viability of the project to qualify for the Barcelona Olympic Winter Games 2022, but has not yet decided whether he will sign this year, or opt for the Olympic Games in 2026 or 2030.

In any case, the City Council has already prepared the dossier of the candidacy, which sets a budget of 3,300 million euros. Of this, 1,204 corresponderrían strict budget Olympic Games, while 2.058 million, mainly to improve road and rail, should be covered by public contributions and sponsors. In this chapter, the candidate predicted to be the State covering 57% of the total, while the Government would reserve 20%, the other 20% private funds and the City 3%.

Beyond the characteristics of the project, Trias must first get the support of the political groups of the Consistory , who claim to submit the project to a public consultation, a requirement that this morning the mayor has not ruled. The deadline to enter the bidding for the 2022 Games, which you must validate the Spanish Olympic Committee (COE) ends on November 14.

Original article in Spanish here:

abc.es

[olympiaki-agones 52]

I must admit I like the idea of two versatile olympic cities competing against each other. However, Barcelona and the whole Iberian Peninsula should focus in other important issues than parties (and this time on ice). Germany last hosted 41 years ago and at the time of the 2022 WO will be 50 years. Bavaria really knew how to take advantage of its Olympic legacy and in terms of railway, roads and general telecommunications I must say is second to none and already being used.

[baron-pierreIV 1701]

Barcelona should really take a rest. I think the IOC might be a little Spanish-weary at this time. It's good to be missed for awhile. As they say, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder."

[SwissO 126]

They have to bid.... this is an incredible positive opportunity for them ! Defeat of Madrid & Election of Bach...

[Athensfan 1081]

Barcelona should really take a rest. I think the IOC might be a little Spanish-weary at this time. It's good to be missed for awhile. As they say, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder."

That's my view as well.

[runningrings 678]

They have to bid.... this is an incredible positive opportunity for them ! Defeat of Madrid & Election of Bach...

I'm still not completely sold on the idea that Bach is somehow a bucket of water on Munich's 2022 aspirations.

Arguably, the bidding business is far more transparent these days - there is no way I could see Bach meddling with things to get Munich elected like JAS did with Barcelona in 1986.

besides, we all know Munich would be the frontrunner, so I'd be doubtful anyone will shriek corruption if the first city Bach names as host is Munich.

There is chance he may not even be President in 2022 - we could have Nawal El Moutawakel as IOC president overlooking a Munich 2022 Games.

[FYI 1206]

A Munich bid would be for the Winter Olympics, anyway. It could be more detrimental if it were a Summer bid, where the geopolitics & overall prestige make the Summer Games a much more fierce competition.

[yoshi 353]

Bach won't be president in 2022. I think he's been elected to a fixed term of 8 years, meaning a new president will be elected in 2021.

[Sir Rols 1902]

He has an option to stand for another 4 years after his eight-year term ends. CK Wu made a pledge in his campaign he'd only serve the initial 8 years if elected, but that was a personal promise. Not the rule.

[yoshi 353]

Oh I see, so he will come up for reelection in 2021, face other candidates, & then if he wins, he will serve until 2025, at which point he has to go.

[Pixie_Victoria 40]

He has an option to stand for another 4 years after his eight-year term ends. CK Wu made a pledge in his campaign he'd only serve the initial 8 years if elected, but that was a personal promise. Not the rule.

Can't get enough of that name. Sounds like a Chinese counterfeit fragrance.

[yoshi 353]

It certainly seems like Nawal (I can never spell her surname) is favourite here to succeed Bach. Would be very nice if the first African president can speak at the first African games.

[baron-pierreIV 1701]

It certainly seems like Nawal (I can never spell her surname) is favourite here to succeed Bach. Would be very nice if the first African president can speak at the first African games.

Yoshi, just curious -- are you always thinking 8+ years ahead? Don't you ever live in the moment?

[Troupe 4]

The mayor of Barcelona has announced a referendum on the bid before official application. He says "the world won't end if the games happen in 2026". He also says they won't be able to bid if they have to build a bobsleigh track like the IOC wants, because of environmental concerns.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/barcelona/20130919/54386766412/trias-anuncia-consulta-jj-oo-de-invierno-candidatura.html

[munichfan 42]

He also says they won't be able to bid if they have to build a bobsleigh track like the IOC wants, because of environmental concerns.

??? So they will only bid if they're allowed to just forget about luge and bobsleigh? I mean, REALLY?

[Troupe 4]

??? So they will only bid if they're allowed to just forget about luge and bobsleigh? I mean, REALLY?

I think he doesn't mean they wouldn't build a track, but it wouldn't meet IOC requirements.

[baron-pierreIV 1701]

??? So they will only bid if they're allowed to just forget about luge and bobsleigh? I mean, REALLY?

Well, the Squaw Valley Games of 1960 did away with the bobsleigh/uge competition. The last Salzburg bid was, I believe, going to use the German Konigsee venue (and was allowed to do so in the bid). So, yeah, the IOC realizes that bobsled-luge competition is dispensable if push comes to shove.

[StefanMUC 705]

And yet, as long as another bid makes a "complete" offer, why should the IOC do away with the luge/bob/skeleton competitions by picking the "incomplete" bidder?

Salzburg had the luge track just around the corner, just in a different country, but it probably didn't help them (as well as some other reasons why they didn't succeed).

On the other hand, it's a sensible thing to avoid constructing such a track in a country where not even a handful of people would use it afterwards. Maybe it's about time that bidders could use some kind of "Rent-A-Luge-Track" service with only temporary installation that would/could be moved to a different location as need be.

[baron-pierreIV 1701]

1. And yet, as long as another bid makes a "complete" offer, why should the IOC do away with the luge/bob/skeleton competitions by picking the "incomplete" bidder?

2. On the other hand, it's a sensible thing to avoid constructing such a track in a country where not even a handful of people would use it afterwards. Maybe it's about time that bidders could use some kind of "Rent-A-Luge-Track" service with only temporary installation that would/could be moved to a different location as need be.

1. No; they don't have to. It is/was just an alternative and something the IOC should consider seriously to keep the Games from getting to be too extravagant.

2. The problem with this is the physics of the entire thing. Mass x gravity + velocity and all that adds up to some challenging variables. Also, each setting is different from the other -- no same two combo of hills and turns and of course, which the Federation likes to vary also. So unless they can make a fool-proof 'Rent-a-Luge Track" that is safe, secure, meets international and insurance standards, then it's something that the IOC and bidding cities will have to weigh very seriously.

[yoshi 353]

What did Jaca propose for bobsleigh? The nearest comparison we have.