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Don't mind it too much, AF. It's just the usual envy that any world superpower gets. Lot's of people whine about the duplicity of the American Empire, but still love their music, their films, their TV and their security blanket.I'm sure the Romans and the Imperial Brits also got the same resentment.

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Oh please. That is garbage. Hegemony? How about the country that did more to promote democracy around the world than any other in history? As for all these countries we supposedly invade, you must be referring mainly to Iraq and Vietnam-- both of which were highly controversial here in the US, both of them with half the country opposed to them. One could argue that in both cases pressure from the populace hastened the end of both wars. And, not that I'm defending either war, but one must admit there were grave problems in both Vietnam and Iraq prior to those wars. When you have more power and wealth than others, you're bound to have detractors.

With power comes responsibility. Nations with less power have less responsibility and are incapable if making mistakes on as grand a scale. Canada, for example, simply does not face the same type of global duty. Democracy and free speech make it possible for us to challenge and expose our country's errors -- something that is not possible in China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and elsewhere in the world -- countries that actually ARE hegemonies.

I take offense at your comments and find them unfounded.

Promote democracy that is garbage. Look what it did in El Salvador and the rest of Central America. Its everywhere at the end of the day the USA acted upon its interests and caused people across the globe to take a disliking to the country. The last part is sadly true. I don't disagree with you when you say China is a hegemony, rather its growing with its influence in the world. However to deny the USA's hegemonic activity in the last 100 years is rather extreme. I am sorry but the truth hurts.

BTW I am not just saying the USA is just the above. The country has done a great deal of good as well not denying that. However the above is the main reason as to why the USA is hated upon across the globe.

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BTW I am not just saying the USA is just the above.

Oh how generous.

The majority of people in the US will tell you we should

pull everything including our money OUT of all these chaotic hellholes and just

let them figure it or destroy their people, each other and maybe your city. So you’re

kind of agreeing with AND simultaneously insulting most Americans. I don’t

think there’s a better solution right now than what has happened, and I think

it could be a lot worse…like “omg a small nuclear explosion blew up 1/2 of

London” worse. It’s quit common in life to hate the guy in the power position;

it’s also kind of misplaced because there are a hell of a lot more governments you

could direct your hate at that may actually be trying to destroy or disrupt

your way of life.

The majority of people in the US will tell you we should

pull everything including our money OUT of all these chaotic hellholes and just

let them figure it or destroy their people, each other and maybe your city. So you’re

kind of agreeing with AND simultaneously insulting most Americans. I don’t

think there’s a better solution right now than what has happened, and I think

it could be a lot worse…like “omg a small nuclear explosion blew up ½ of

London” worse. It’s quit common in life to hate the guy in the power position;

it’s also kind of misplaced because there are a hell of a lot more governments you

could direct your hate at that may actually be trying to destroy or disrupt

your way of life.

now how did that happen :huh:

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Promote democracy that is garbage. Look what it did in El Salvador and the rest of Central America. Its everywhere at the end of the day the USA acted upon its interests and caused people across the globe to take a disliking to the country. The last part is sadly true. I don't disagree with you when you say China is a hegemony, rather its growing with its influence in the world. However to deny the USA's hegemonic activity in the last 100 years is rather extreme. I am sorry but the truth hurts.

BTW I am not just saying the USA is just the above. The country has done a great deal of good as well not denying that. However the above is the main reason as to why the USA is hated upon across the globe.

You don't know what you are talking about. The US is not a hegemony and has provided a powerful democratic model for many countries. You're statement "the truth hurts" is overflowing with hubris and condescension. You are clearly a proponent of revisionist history who is fueled by resentment more than reality.

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Oh no we shouldn't pick Istanbul because someone died. No other city has murders.... London had what? 50 deaths the day after they were announced. That was more of a terrorism attack than blowing up embassy

London was AFTER the games were awarded.

I think the IOC would be willing to award the games to a

city where foreign embassies are bombed at random by fanatics, but there are

probably a few members who may give it a second thought.

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London was AFTER the games were awarded.

I think the IOC would be willing to award the games to a

city where foreign embassies are bombed at random by fanatics, but there are

probably a few members who may give it a second thought.

I agree. It's not a bid killer, but it doesn't help.

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You don't know what you are talking about. The US is not a hegemony and has provided a powerful democratic model for many countries. You're statement "the truth hurts" is overflowing with hubris and condescension. You are clearly a proponent of revisionist history who is fueled by resentment more than reality.

IDC what you think lol. I think I would know about this considering I am studying it right now. Evidently you don't know what your talking about. The hegemony existed and cannot be denied. It might be in decline now but that is not the point.

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Disliked, looked down upon whatever. The United States' reputation of hegemonic control and invading countries whenever it feels is something many do not like.

Yet people in places like the Philippines and many OTHER countries line up for days at the Embassies to get a visa to come to the US. Yeah, if a country like the US didn't stand up for women's rights in Afghanistan vs. the Taliban, even freedom of choice in the f*ckin, ungrateful, schizoid Arab nations, then who else would? Sorry, not to make this personal, Int, but from your 19-year old views you post here, I'm glad you're NOT on our team. I'd hate to live in a world where big powers would be so cowardly as to not stand up for what is right and what they believe in, simply for the fear of not being Miss Popularity. Cowards stay home.

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IDC what you think lol. I think I would know about this considering I am studying it right now. Evidently you don't know what your talking about. The hegemony existed and cannot be denied. It might be in decline now but that is not the point.

All I can say is that if that's what you're being taught, your teacher's got a warped perspective.

And probably an axe to grind as well....

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Yet people in places like the Philippines and many OTHER countries line up for days at the Embassies to get a visa to come to the US. Yeah, if a country like the US didn't stand up for women's rights in Afghanistan vs. the Taliban, even freedom of choice in the f*ckin, ungrateful, schizoid Arab nations, then who else would? Sorry, not to make this personal, Int, but from your 19-year old views you post here, I'm glad you're NOT on our team. I'd hate to live in a world where big powers would be so cowardly as to not stand up for what is right and what they believe in, simply for the fear of not being Miss Popularity. Cowards stay home.

Yes sure! That's why USA went to Afghanistan and Iraq. To help the women. Not the oil at all!

There are countries worse than USA but there is much much better countries than USA. Obamas doing pretty good. Shame he has to fix the problems that Bush caused. But seriously guys. Who the hell voted for that nut job? Like come on he was so stupid.

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also why it bothers other countries to bring democracy to others? people have their own powers and traditions. also try to bring democracy with guns and cobras is a bit funny way.

ah by the way, istanbul is the safest metropol in the wrld.

homicide ratio /100

İstanbul 13.255.685 117 0.88
Berlin 3.424.764 44 1.28
Madrid 3.213.271 64 1.99
New York City 8.175.133 227 2.78
Los Angeles 3.792.621 148 3.90
Mexico City 8.873.017 717 8.08
Amsterdam 2.158.592 176 8.15
Tokyo 8.887.608 739 8.31

tokyo is the highest as u see...

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Yes sure! That's why USA went to Afghanistan and Iraq. To help the women. Not the oil at all!

There are countries worse than USA but there is much much better countries than USA. Obamas doing pretty good. Shame he has to fix the problems that Bush caused. But seriously guys. Who the hell voted for that nut job? Like come on he was so stupid.

Oh please. Where is this supposed oil bonanza that is the supposed "real motivation" for the war? You think we're suddenly cashing in? Try again.

Afghanistan was TOTALLY justified. Iraq clearly was not -- if for no other reason than because of the way the Bush administration steamrollered considerable international opposition.

However, Bush is not stupid. He put great faith in intelligence that turned out to be wrong. It was perhaps the single greatest mistake ever made by an American President, but that one mistake (much as I personally disagree with the reasoning and hate the consequences) does not make Bush an idiot. It's a simpler story if you paint him as an incompetent, but he was not.

As for Obama, he's just making a different mess -- an economical one. His unbridled spending WILL bring this country to its knees, but the consequences wont be felt for 20 years or so. Then people will blame whatever poor soul is in office, because everyone prefers a simple story to the complexity of reality. Obama is crippling the US. (Btw, I'm not a Republican or a Romney-lover).

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So now you're going to attack democracy? Great move, Emre. That's gonna help Istanbul a lot.

get what ever u want from my words.

its not perfect till even 1 says no and the others consider why this "1" says no. many democracies have no empathy. and yes im idelastic optimist.

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I agree that democracy (and also capitalism) are far from perfect and fraught with problems. However, considering the available alternatives, they are the best option.

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when it comes to money, forget democracy

sometimes i think socialism with offering a better life to citizens is the best. equal terms for everyone ..

but it means the end of the trademarks :)



also there are many democracies , us democracy, scand,nav,an democracy ( which is my idol way of life), iran is a democracy somehow and uk with a queen ...and its not the issue to argue here

to back to topic, anywhere can be attacks and suicides, more dangerous things like sharks in open waters ( i was freaking about a shark attack in sydney games i admit it :)

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I agree. It's not a bid killer, but it doesn't help.

Like japans natural disaster record. 1 death-15000 deaths. Eh what's worse. Not bagging out Tokyo in fact I want them to win but just pointing out these things that I think are needed to compare

Oh please. Where is this supposed oil bonanza that is the supposed "real motivation" for the war? You think we're suddenly cashing in? Try again.Afghanistan was TOTALLY justified. Iraq clearly was not -- if for no other reason than because of the way the Bush administration steamrollered considerable international opposition.However, Bush is not stupid. He put great faith in intelligence that turned out to be wrong. It was perhaps the single greatest mistake ever made by an American President, but that one mistake (much as I personally disagree with the reasoning and hate the consequences) does not make Bush an idiot. It's a simpler story if you paint him as an incompetent, but he was not.As for Obama, he's just making a different mess -- an economical one. His unbridled spending WILL bring this country to its knees, but the consequences wont be felt for 20 years or so. Then people will blame whatever poor soul is in office, because everyone prefers a simple story to the complexity of reality. Obama is crippling the US. (Btw, I'm not a Republican or a Romney-lover).

He was an idiot. It was s bloody dumb idea to go to Iraq.

It's not Obamas fault he came into power just as the GFC was picking up. Talk about cleaning up after a mess alright.

Had a good laugh

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Like japans natural disaster record. 1 death-15000 deaths. Eh what's worse. Not bagging out Tokyo in fact I want them to win but just pointing out these things that I think are needed to compare

He was an idiot. It was s bloody dumb idea to go to Iraq.

It's not Obamas fault he came into power just as the GFC was picking up. Talk about cleaning up after a mess alright.

Had a good laugh

We'll obviously never agree on Bush. I do not believe one decision (even a terrible one that I totally disagreed with) forges an identity.

Yes, Obama inherited a bad situation, but he's making it far, far worse. He's spending more than every administration in history, printing money, boosting the debt ceiling and mortgaging the future of the country for short-term political gain. He refuses to accept that you simply cannot buy what you cannot pay for. Even the great USofA must live within their means. It will prove a travesty. Just wait a few years.

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Like japans natural disaster record. 1 death-15000 deaths. Eh what's worse. Not bagging out Tokyo in fact I want them to win but just pointing out these things that I think are needed to compare

Unfortunately, Istanbul is due a big quake soon. If we're that worried about natural disasters, we might as well start preparing for Madrid 2020 now.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100312/full/news.2010.121.html

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Unfortunately, Istanbul is due a big quake soon. If we're that worried about natural disasters, we might as well start preparing for Madrid 2020 now.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100312/full/news.2010.121.html

If we are that worried about one embassy bombing they may aswell pull out now. Plus that source is 3 years old. I'd still pick 1 death over 15000

Oops phone didn't recognize the YouTube clips til after I posted ill have a look when I'm home from work

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Equating natural phenomena with man-made incidents like terrorism acts, is really kinda stupid and misguided. U have no control over the former; the latter can be minimized or neutralized to a certain degree. And if one can't tell the difference, :(

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