Quaker2001 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 It just happens. There are certain things one has absolutely NO control over. Actually, even worse than the NYC 2012 stadium glitch was the San Francisco 2016 stadium snafu when those cursed, inbreeding DeBartolo-York freaks made their announcement just as SF 2016 was presenting at the finals down in Orange County before the USOC. Yes and no. You do have some control over who you're working with and who you're dealing with. The NYC2012 folks had to know they were entering a political tussle when they offered up their West Side plans. They thought they could make it work. They thought wrong. Just like the SF 2016 decided to partner up with the 49ers. We know how that turned out. And no.. SF 2016 was not worse than NYC 2012. Maybe it was to you because it scuppered their bid, but it didn't occur a month before the the bid was put up in front of the IOC. But that's neither here nor there. This is the risk of doing business over an Olympics. Sometimes you'll come up with a great plan with few roadblocks. Other times, that's not possible. Dollars and sense aside, that's why cities aren't eagerly jumping at the chance to bid for an Olympics. Sometimes there's a plan that could make it work. Other times.. no so much, and they don't want to take the risk in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well, in my estimation, the SF2016 snafu was WORSE than NYC 2012. NYC 2012 got wind of it a MONTH before the presentations; they had at least a month to try to make some recovery move. SF 2016 was thrown from the bus at its most crucial point in its journey. So I rate SF2016 worse than NYC2012. Being up before the IOC here is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR2028 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Actually BR2028, the post you were intitially responding to was about rebuilding the stadium. And that's exactly what would have to happen if a US soccer team wanted in and didn't want a track. US soccer stadiums are not going to need the capacity English Premier League or Ozzie rules need. Therefore what you'll have is a big athletics stadium. You'll demolish the lower tier and move seats closer to the pitch, THEN demolsh the upper tier as no US soccer club needs more than about 40k. It would in essence have to be a complete rebuild. Maybe it would be possible to do something like Manchester did with the CWG stadium, but for that to work I think you'd need a hugely lopsided stadium in Games-mode with very lage end stands. It's hard to think of a feasible way of converting a large T&F stadium into a modest soccer stadium. I'm intruiged to see what they come up with if this is the route they decide to take. Well if Boston is already going for 65,000 seats then they would only have to remove 15,000 seats. If the stadium would have 80,000 seats then yes it would be unrealistic, but given it is a smaller stadium anyways it appears a bit more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well if Boston is already going for 65,000 seats then they would only have to remove 15,000 seats. If the stadium would have 80,000 seats then yes it would be unrealistic, but given it is a smaller stadium anyways it appears a bit more realistic. It's not just the number of seats. Its she shape and arrangement of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 So, Bach is at the Super Bowl tonight feat. a team from Boston. Should we read much into that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 So, Bach is at the Super Bowl tonight feat. a team from Boston. Should we read much into that? Not at all. He's probably there more because the game is on NBC than anything. If this is a Super Bowl with the Patriots and the game is on CBS or Fox, maybe he's there, but I doubt he gets interviewed. Also, good point brought up in an article elsewhere.. the FIS World Championships are this week in Vail. Short flight from Phoenix, so if he's planning on going there, why not stop off at the Super Bowl and get some face time with Bob Costas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Not at all. He's probably there more because the game is on NBC than anything. If this is a Super Bowl with the Patriots and the game is on CBS or Fox, maybe he's there, but I doubt he gets interviewed. Also, good point brought up in an article elsewhere.. the FIS World Championships are this week in Vail. Short flight from Phoenix, so if he's planning on going there, why not stop off at the Super Bowl and get some face time with Bob Costas I read an article about why Bach was there. NBC invited him to the game as part as Bachs US tour. There was an interview with Costas and Bach and they talked about the Boston bid for a bit. Today Bach is going to Vail for the championships and he's meeting USOC officials and top Boston2024 officials too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman617 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Ouch. Bach's dig at Rio: maybe on the day of the Opening Ceremony we will be able to thank construction workers directly. In other words, they will still be on scaffolds when the torch is lit. (LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Ouch. Bach's dig at Rio: maybe on the day of the Opening Ceremony we will be able to thank construction workers directly. In other words, they will still be on scaffolds when the torch is lit. (LOL) I don't think that was his intention. Bach speaks pretty poor English so it probably didn't come out right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Ouch. Bach's dig at Rio: maybe on the day of the Opening Ceremony we will be able to thank construction workers directly. In other words, they will still be on scaffolds when the torch is lit. (LOL) Haven't they been including construction workers in the opening ceremony lately. Pretty sure they were in both London and Sochi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR2028 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Haven't they been including construction workers in the opening ceremony lately. Pretty sure they were in both London and Sochi. They won't have any construction workers to put in it, they will be too busy working that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Haven't they been including construction workers in the opening ceremony lately. Pretty sure they were in both London and Sochi. Started with Vancouver 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman617 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I don't think that was his intention. Bach speaks pretty poor English so it probably didn't come out right. I was joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Seems like this bid is on very shaky ground public support wise. Reminds me a lot of where Oslo was around the same time as they began their ill-fated bid for 2022. I don't see how Boston gets this bid done without a referendum. If a referendum is held in November and voters choose to reject an Olympic bid then USOC CEO Scott Blackmun along with all the USOC members who voted for Boston should hand in their resignations immediately. Of course a lot could change in public opinion between now and a possible referendum but the USOC has to have some sort of backup plan before then. There has to be a way where USOC officials can work with the Boston organizers and say if your public support is sketchy or well under the 50 percent mark by, let's just say August, then a deal is made for Boston to withdraw its bid so the USOC can choose another candidate city (probably Los Angeles or maybe San Francisco) and get the bid submitted to the IOC before the November deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Seems like this bid is on very shaky ground public support wise. Reminds me a lot of where Oslo was around the same time as they began their ill-fated bid for 2022.Or Perhaps where Tokyo was at this point in their 2020 bid I don't see how Boston gets this bid done without a referendum. .I still want somebody to explain to be exactly how this referendum is supposed to work. If a referendum is held in November and voters choose to reject an Olympic bid then USOC CEO Scott Blackmun along with all the USOC members who voted for Boston should hand in their resignations immediately. Of course a lot could change in public opinion between now and a possible referendum but the USOC has to have some sort of backup plan before then. There has to be a way where USOC officials can work with the Boston organizers and say if your public support is sketchy or well under the 50 percent mark by, let's just say August, then a deal is made for Boston to withdraw its bid so the USOC can choose another candidate city (probably Los Angeles or maybe San Francisco) What makes you think those cities have stronger support than Boston? and get the bid submitted to the IOC before the November deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I still want somebody to explain to be exactly how this referendum is supposed to work I was actually wondering the same thing. I think some people here throw around the word referendum and don't really know what that is or in what context it would get used. But, as of earlier this week, we have something of a answer to that burning question.. Boston City Councilor Josh Zakim proposes non-binding ballot questions on 2024 Summer Olympics The questions Zakim proposed for the ballot are as follows: 1. Should Boston host the 2024 Summer Olympic & Paralympic Games (the “Games”)? 2. If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City commit any public money to support the Games? 3 If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City make any financial guarantees to cover cost overruns for the Games? 4. If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City use its power of eminent domain to take private land on behalf of the Games? A little more background.. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/02/03/city-councilor-josh-zakim-calls-for-citywide-vote-olympics/lBWF5H9HS88KeCgyUWhRBI/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I was actually wondering the same thing. I think some people here throw around the word referendum and don't really know what that is or in what context it would get used. But, as of earlier this week, we have something of a answer to that burning question.. Boston City Councilor Josh Zakim proposes non-binding ballot questions on 2024 Summer Olympics The questions Zakim proposed for the ballot are as follows: 1. Should Boston host the 2024 Summer Olympic & Paralympic Games (the “Games”)? 2. If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City commit any public money to support the Games? 3 If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City make any financial guarantees to cover cost overruns for the Games? 4. If Boston were to host the 2024 Olympics, should the City use its power of eminent domain to take private land on behalf of the Games? A little more background.. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/02/03/city-councilor-josh-zakim-calls-for-citywide-vote-olympics/lBWF5H9HS88KeCgyUWhRBI/story.html You beat me to the punch on this one. Was going to post the same link. If there's enough signatures, the decision can be put on a November ballot which as has been noted, after the September application deadline. I've added a link from the Wall Street Journal that mentions a source saying that during the selection process the possibility of a referendum on a bid never came up. Take that for what you make of it. Makes me wonder if the indeed it was a legitimate possibility in Boston which it appears to be, would that have given the USOC second thoughts? Who knows? The underlying trouble with all this is having a referendum in November which if you had a no vote on the first question, the USOC has no bid for 2024. If they cannot get the referendum moved up a few months, then I think the USOC has to look at other options. I don't know what public support would be like in either San Francisco or Los Angeles. I don't think any polls were ever released, but if the support for Boston drops sharply, rather than risk a referendum, why not arrange for Boston to give it up and consider your remaining options. Then again, maybe they can convince the public to get on board with this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/boston-mayor-says-hes-open-to-vote-on-2024-olympics-1421787427 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is it too early to start talking about tourch lighters? Will Boston's most beloved athlete get a role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 yes way too early, but I'm interested though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 A bit early to start thinking about who'd light the cauldron, but my early favorites would be one of the following: 1. Bill Russell, Celtics great and 1956 Olympic gold medalist, this is if he's alive. He'll be 90 in 2024. 2. Larry Bird, another Celtics great, 1992 Olympic gold medalist on the Dream Team 3. A survivor of the Boston Marathon bombing from last year. If I had to pick a favorite, I'd go with Russell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 A bit early to start thinking about who'd light the cauldron, but my early favorites would be one of the following: 1. Bill Russell, Celtics great and 1956 Olympic gold medalist, this is if he's alive. He'll be 90 in 2024. 2. Larry Bird, another Celtics great, 1992 Olympic gold medalist on the Dream Team 3. A survivor of the Boston Marathon bombing from last year. If I had to pick a favorite, I'd go with Russell. Ally Raisman would most likely be involved too, depending if she does qualify for rio2016 and how she does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 It would have to be a woman. After EIGHT Olympics, a female has yet to light the Olympic flame on US soil. Enough of those bozo male athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 It would have to be a woman. After EIGHT Olympics, a female has yet to light the Olympic flame on US soil. Enough of those bozo male athletes. Boston's own Nancy Kerrigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Boston's own Nancy Kerrigan. WHY? WHY? WHY? At the 1984 Olympics, the torch was lit by Rafer Johnson, native of Texas. At the 1996 Olympics, the torch was lit by Muhammad Ali, native of Kentucky. It doesn't have to be someone from Boston who lights the flame. Certainly there would be some locals prominently in the relay and/or carrying the torch in the stadium. But if this is truly America's Olympics and not just Boston's, the torch-lighter will be someone more meaningful to the entire country, not just someone who was big in Boston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 But if this is truly America's Olympics and not just Boston's, the torch-lighter will be someone more meaningful to the entire country, not just someone who was big in Boston. So, not Gronk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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