Baptista Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Is Madrid really out of race to host 2020 Olympics?! I´m wondering about the Latin America (and even some african) votes and if they will support Madrid´s bid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichfan Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Why should they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista Posted September 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Why should they? Why they should support Tokyo or Istanbul? As far as I know, Latin American countries have a cultural/social link with Spain, so theoretically their support could go to Madrid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Mata Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 There may be a love/hate relationship between Hispanic America and Spain on the grounds of shared cultural heritage and colonial history, which raises tensions from time to time because of indigenous populations, origins of poverty etc etc. I've been reading about cases of mexicans and argentinians having a hard time and a rough welcome by spanish authorities at the airports since the economy went bad and Barajas Airport (serving Madrid) is at the center of it. I don't know if this has escalated as a relevant diplomatic issue of bitterness between these countries which could possibly affect Madrid's international supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Yeah, but Latin/Spanish Central America have only like 8 votes. Not really a big voting bloc. Even Francisco Elizalde, the IOC member from the Philippines, but is a Hispanic-Filipino who I think might've voted for Madrid, just became an Honorary Member. So he can no longer vote next year. If things were fairly even, the 3 cities should get 32-33 votes each in the first round. But in the 2005 and 2009 votes, Madrid got no more than 20 and 28 votes respectively in the first rounds then. Tokyo got 22. With maybe about a dozen new members since (and like 5 or 6 retired), I doubt that Madrid will get more than 27 in the first round. But I would be very pleasantly surprised by a Spanish victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 But I would be very pleasantly surprised by a Spanish victory. So would I. I think Madrid will get most of Latin American votes, Chinese votes and some European votes, especially from countries not interested in 2024 and from members of royal houses. It could also be possible that those who want an African Olympics in 2024 vote for Madrid to have a traditional host between Rio and Africa and to neutralize possible European bidders. It's true Madrid hasn't got more than 32 votes in the last tries, but neither have Tokyo or Istanbul, so I don't really know what's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 IDK I am thinking maybe Latin America waits until 2024 and votes for a possible North American bid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Hello, I'm new here These are my points: I think Madrid will get most of Latin American votes Victor Mata has a good point. Historically, the relations between Latin America and Spain are in terms of love/hate, and right now, there are enough disputes that may affect the votes for Madrid 2020, especially in the bloc formed by Argentina, Ecuador and Bolivia and other issues concerning to immigration and banks. In case for Mexico, the new government made an statement confirming a potential partneship with many pacific countries, including Japan as an strategic ally. So, there's still a possibility for Mexico voting to Tokyo 2020, especially if that means a wide support for the 2018 YOG in Guadalajara. So, in this time, I don't think Spain will get (all) the votes from the Latin American block. Point - Intoronto made another point - The North American aspirations by 2024. Chinese votes With the new "strategic partneship" signed between the ministers Ahmet Davutoglu and Wen Jiabao, I think most of the Chinese votes will go to Turkey. And maybe it will be a better option for "Shanghai 2032" aspirations, choosing a city between Europe-Asia and stopping potential contenders. Maybe I sound too pessimist, but I don't think Madrid will win and get more votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 IDK I am thinking maybe Latin America waits until 2024 and votes for a possible North American bid? What do you mean? They'll abstain from the 2020 voting in the hopes for a 2024 US entry? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world atlas Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't think argentinians will support north america to host 2024 Olympics they have their own plans to host 2028 or 2032 olympics + 2030 FIFA World Cup with Uruguay ( yes like what Brazilians will do in 2014-2016!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The Latin American votes (5) will NOT be enuf to carry the day for Spain. They should concentrate on their 2nd round votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 It's true Madrid hasn't got more than 32 votes in the last tries, but neither have Tokyo or Istanbul. Yeah, but that's two consecutive tries where Madrid's final tallies were the same. Whereas Tokyo has only recently tried once before & Istanbul twice had failed to make the short-list. And the other two times the Turks (along with everyone else) were up against the heavily favored Chinese. So there really isn't anything relative to gauge those two with. Not to mention, that in the 2016 ballot, virtually all of Chicago's & Tokyo's votes went to Rio, whereas Madrid remained pretty much stagnant. So that seems pretty apparent, that with all things being equal, the final determining factors will always come dowm to geopolitics & where the IOC feels where they could benefit the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't think argentinians will support north america to host 2024 Olympics they have their own plans to host 2028 or 2032 olympics + 2030 FIFA World Cup with Uruguay ( yes like what Brazilians will do in 2014-2016!) It took South America 120 years to get their first games... It sounds a bit optmistic to me to see any South American host in less than 30-40 years... And my bet would be Chile or a second games in Brazil... It took 36 years since Argentina 1978 to South America be the hosts of a World Cup... And this because South America is a really traditional power in football/soccer... Imagine the Olympic Games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Argentina won 4 medals in London. Their economy is a mess. I don't see them being any threat for 2028 or 2032. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't think argentinians will support north america to host 2024 Olympics they have their own plans to host 2028 or 2032 olympics + 2030 FIFA World Cup with Uruguay ( yes like what Brazilians will do in 2014-2016!) If we considerate Asia as a standart for potential bids in South America, we need to wait another 24 years or more for a second host city in South America Tokyo 1964 - Seoul 1988 - Beijing 2008 But we can't forget the fact these three countries -Japan, South Korea and China- are powerful sporting countries -Second, fifth and eleventh place in London 2012- OR if we considerate Latin America as a one entity it took 48 years between Mexico City and Rio de Janeiro. And there's out of doubt a future SOG in Havana -Not likely-. At the end, I don't think we'll see another SOG in South America, at least for another 40 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 It took South America 120 years to get their first games... It sounds a bit optmistic to me to see any South American host in less than 30-40 years... And my bet would be Chile or a second games in Brazil.... If there's another SOG in South America, the best bet would be Brazil -Sao Paulo-, and even it may took another 40 years -Chile: In the last 5 SOG, the best result was in Athens winning 4 medals, none of them in gold. This year in London, Chile failed to win a medal -Colombia: Best result with 8 medals. But the geographical conditions and international relations with the neighborns countries -Venezuela and Ecuador- are obstacles for a serious bid -Venezuela: Better results in Pan American Games and the political and economical situation are the biggest disavantages for a potential bid. -Peru: Forget it... -Argentina: They had better times and their economy is a disaster waiting in the horizon. Unfortunately, for Latin America, there are only two countries who can afford a SOG: Brazil and Mexico. Mexico had the honor in 1968 and Brazil will have this honor in 2016. So at least Chile or Colombia make an excellent plan and have better results, we need to wait for another SOG in Latin and South America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Good points, Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Eh. Sao Paulo is like Mexico City (which has NOT returned for a 2nd Olympic try) and Istanbul. They are just over-built cities. I mean even getting an SP stadium for the World Cup was apparently as difficult as it was for NYC in the 2012 race. I don't think it's going to be SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Eh. Sao Paulo is like Mexico City (which has NOT returned for a 2nd Olympic try) and Istanbul. They are just over-built cities. I mean even getting an SP stadium for the World Cup was apparently as difficult as it was for NYC in the 2012 race. I don't think it's going to be SP. Touché, so I guess it could be another brazilian city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hufus Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 As someone who is up at 2:30 working on a Santiago mock bid, the single biggest and probably only vote-losing concern they would have in the dates. September still isn't exactly summery in downtown Stgo. I'm kind of surprised myself at how excellent a choice it would be in a lot of ways, though, from venues to timezones to transportation. Obviously hotel capacity would need a boost, but it's politically very stable and open (at least in Latin American terms), is the most business-friendly country in the region, has potential to become an iconic city in time yadda yadda yadda. I'd say it could host a better games than any city I've been to but Melbourne, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 As someone who is up at 2:30 working on a Santiago mock bid, the single biggest and probably only vote-losing concern they would have in the dates. September still isn't exactly summery in downtown Stgo. I'm kind of surprised myself at how excellent a choice it would be in a lot of ways, though, from venues to timezones to transportation. Obviously hotel capacity would need a boost, but it's politically very stable and open (at least in Latin American terms), is the most business-friendly country in the region, has potential to become an iconic city in time yadda yadda yadda. I'd say it could host a better games than any city I've been to but Melbourne, honestly. Good points. and it's true this statement about the chileans -I met few of them at the University and have a close relation- But my concerns I have for a potential Santiago SOG bid is: -Chile needs to improve the relations between the neighborns -Especially Peru and Bolivia-. At least they made the first steps in recent years; but still, they need more effort and work. -More experience in hosting international events -The Pan American Games is a good step- -Maybe the most important question: They need better results at sports. London 2012 was a failure with zero medals -Since Atlanta 1996- Don't get me wrong, I would love to see another Olympic Games in Latin America and I hope being wrong, but I recognize this region has obstacles to surpass. But yes, Santiago could be a potential iconic city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Well... Here the COG is evaluating the Tokyo bid... So I wouldn't be that sure that all Latin votes will go to Madrid... Be be a 100% that Latin America will support a US's bid in 2024! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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