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It seems that the idea of a bid centered around Boston is already out there: Boston 2026! I think Burlington is closer than Boston to the ski resorts in both VT and NH. Having the Olympics (winter or summer games) in New England will be great but we haven't heard anything from the city and state governments. It seems that they are not interested. I hope the London Olympics fever/excitement motivates them or something!

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I was in Albertville, during the sixteen days of the Games, including Opening and Closing Ceremony. It is true that the Games were spread along a valley, but they had a really excellent transportation system. Basically, near each venue, you had a kind of bus station with free busses to each of the other venues, no matter which strange combination of events came to your mind. I was able to attend to two or three events a day every day without major difficulty of tiredness. Therefore, from a Albertville spectator standpoint, I don't see your point.

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The thing that's totally "stupid" about this, N how you're the one who's actually "humilating" yourself further is that there is no fricken "plan A", TBW. Burlington hasn't even made a peep that they even what to pursue such a thing, so therefore, that makes "plan B" moot anyway.

Sure, you can use the new bridge over at the southern end of the lake, but even then, that still makes the trip long N cumbersome. Especially on the slow, 2-lane roads between Burlington N Lake Placid. N then in the middie of winter, where these small roads can become icy & snowy. Remember, it;s the same argument that you tried to use against the trek between Albany & Lake Placid. But now you're trying to hypocritically use the same argument for this Burlington - Lake Placid farce. So the one that's "genuinely clueless" here is you by not knowing basic geography.

N the point about Albertville, which Lord David was smart enough to get, unlike some other people in this thread, is that despite that it didn't have "one" great distance between major sites, it had MANY distances between MANY sites. IDK about u, but I'd rather make a bit of a trek & then stay put where I'm at, than to made a whole bunch of hops, skips N jumps throughout the entire duration of the Games. Albertville was the most discomboobulated (Winter) Olympics to date. "Fact".

You really are beyond stupid.

I have been to the Albertville area on a Winter Holiday. A poster actually attended the games.

ALL OF THE EVENTS ARE IN THE SAME DIRECTION AWAY FROM ALBERTVILLE TRAVELLING DOWN THE SAME ROUTE. The furthest anyone had to travel in one direction away from Albertville is less than 90km. There is nothing the IOC have said about multiple journeys to multiple sites - but there is about the 150km+

I asked you to tell me of a games where the events where beyond 150km and you have failed beyond miserably. You are now beyond humiliating yourself by trying to justify this.

Here is a figure - 150km

No games ever has accepted the seperate events held beyond a radius of this distance from the host city - and the host city according to the IOC charter is where the ceremonies are held.

Burlington to Lake Placid using only roads is 145km = roads can be upgraded

Albany to Lake Placid is 225km = ARE YOU PROPOSING TO PICK ALBANY AND MOVE IT CLOSER?

Idiot.

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It seems that the idea of a bid centered around Boston is already out there: Boston 2026! I think Burlington is closer than Boston to the ski resorts in both VT and NH. Having the Olympics (winter or summer games) in New England will be great but we haven't heard anything from the city and state governments. It seems that they are not interested. I hope the London Olympics fever/excitement motivates them or something!

Boston has a less than zero chance.

There are no mountains within at least 200km which have the mandatory 800m vertical drop for the mens downhill which the Federation de Internationale Ski demand for the race.

And the IOC will not consider bids where the alpine events are held so distant from the host city. Fans may set up a website - try to claim that you can travel 225km in the same time it takes to travel 125km but there is proverbial snowballs chance in hell that Boston could host ..... they physically cannot do so, and all they will do is waste millions of dollars trying to do so

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N the point about Albertville, which Lord David was smart enough to get, unlike some other people in this thread, is that despite that it didn't have "one" great distance between major sites, it had MANY distances between MANY sites. IDK about u, but I'd rather make a bit of a trek & then stay put where I'm at, than to made a whole bunch of hops, skips N jumps throughout the entire duration of the Games. Albertville was the most discomboobulated (Winter) Olympics to date. "Fact".

Huzzah! We agree on something! ;)

Burlington is a no name city and would be foolish to do this alone if they even wanted to. Lake Placid even at such a far distance is a must, but I'm sure Lake Placid folks don't really want to be associated with a no name city's games.

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Huzzah! We agree on something! ;)

Burlington is a no name city and would be foolish to do this alone if they even wanted to. Lake Placid even at such a far distance is a must, but I'm sure Lake Placid folks don't really want to be associated with a no name city's games.

Why no name?

Who had heard of Lillehammer before they hosted? Who had heard of Albertville before they hosted?

The fact that Burlington has already hosted an international ice hockey event with good attendance figures alongside their winter sports contemporaries so this 'no name' idea is a nonsense as clearly the sports federations that make up the Winter Olympics including the ski jumping federation who host competition at Brattleboro, also in Vermont, are not quite as unaware as posters.

and did you take note of the opinions of HEKTOR who actually attended Albertville'92?

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Burlington is a no name city and would be foolish to do this alone if they even wanted to.

They don't want to. Much of Vermont is passionately anti-development and anti-commercialism . Given the size and scope of current WOG's, I think we are more likely to see one hosted by Dubai before Vermont. https://www.theplaymania.com/skidubai

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They don't want to. Much of Vermont is passionately anti-development and anti-commercialism . Given the size and scope of current WOG's, I think we are more likely to see one hosted by Dubai before Vermont. https://www.theplaymania.com/skidubai

They are also keen to increase tourism and winter sports including resorts.

What better way to get away from the perception of America of being excessively commercial by hosting in a part of the country where this ugly characterisation will be help in check

p.s. I note you provided no response to the Women World Championship attendance figures.

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p.s. I note you provided no response to the Women World Championship attendance figures.

Just like u, who went off on a tangent on your very own thread, N jumped all over me about the spread-out Albertville Games, N then simply recoiled when I pointed out your hypocritical argument about your Burlington "plan B".

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Just like u, who went off on a tangent on your very own thread, N jumped all over me about the spread-out Albertville Games, N then simply recoiled when I pointed out your hypocritical argument about your Burlington "plan B".

No at all moron.

Albertville was not spread out. All events were within a 45km radius of the centre of the bid and 90km max from the host city. I asked you to present an example of a games being over 200km from one location to another and you failed spectacularly.

I'll try to explain this as simply as I can.

When a city bids, they present an ideal plan (Plan A) of how their bid will look. I would imagine if Burlington bid, they would look to have all of the facilities in Vermont with the ski jumping facilities and bobsleigh run constructed at somewhere like Stowe.

However if costs began to increase, they could always say as a backup option some of the facilities at Lake Placid could be used (Plan B) - this would be attractive to the IOC as a privately funded American bid had a 'get out of jail card' - and they are still under 150km from the bid city even if they used the long road only route.

If Denver faced this issue, the nearest ski jumps are at Steamboat Springs at over 250km , well outside of the normal distances that the IOC permit. If Reno started to suffer cost overuns they have got nowhere to go except Salt Lake City at 800km+.

Look at the Pyeonchang 2018 bid - since being award the games, they've changed the Ceremonies location, the speed skating location and the second Ice Hockey hall location - clearly all 'PLAN B' options when the original proposals feel down

Any bid, that can offer guarantees that things can keep to time and schedule will be well received.

Go back and re-read what I orginally wrote in the opening post. And then see what an idiot you have been.

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Now that are are throwing out even more personal attacks per post, why should people respond to your arguements? Besides, your "logic" that hosting an event with 1300 fans per match shows Olympic readiness speaks for itself. no response needed.

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Now that are are throwing out even more personal attacks per post, why should people respond to your arguements? Besides, your "logic" that hosting an event with 1300 fans per match shows Olympic readiness speaks for itself. no response needed.

Err but you fail to mention that Olympic ready locations like Harbin, Zurich faired no better ....

I would say a location without any professional hockey team, without a professional female hockey team that can draw similar attendance numbers AND actually fill up more than the arenas than others is noteworthy.

What you did was in a cowardly manner, just produced figures designed to ridicule without presenting figures from other championships that would have undermined your argument. You falsely tried to imply that the attendance figures were poor when in fact they were just as good as every other host.

I only personally attack cretins who deliberately provide false information and evidence and cannot present anything resembling a sensible or intelligent discussion

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Why no name?

Who had heard of Lillehammer before they hosted? Who had heard of Albertville before they hosted?

I'm actually going to change sides here not supporting Burlington as they haven't expressed interest. But i partially agree I hadn't heard of Sochi, Torino (heard of pyeonchang, vancouver and salt lake) never heard of Nagano Lillehammer Albertville.

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I believe that the odds of Burlington bidding for 2026 are slim. Why?

The US is much more interested in 2024.

The last Olympic Games they hosted were Winter Games.

Cities like Denver or Reno/Lake Tahoe have a better chance in the future.

I'm not saying that Burlington will NEVER win. But I think as of now, the odds are slim.

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I'm actually going to change sides here not supporting Burlington as they haven't expressed interest. But i partially agree I hadn't heard of Sochi, Torino (heard of pyeonchang, vancouver and salt lake) never heard of Nagano Lillehammer Albertville.

The thing with Winter Olympic bids OLD, is first they need to meet some crucial criteria

1) Do they have a nearby 800m vertical drop for the mens' downhill?

2) Can they put all the venues together within 150km? - the more compact the better

3) Do they have that culture of Winter Sports that will favour a continuing legacy of facilities built?

If we look at the 3 principle contenders for 2022

Denver - to begin with there is '1976', and also pretty awful news worthy crime, which sticks in the mind

SLC - the bribery scandal and recent hosting 2002

Reno - a serious negative image problem

If Burlington bid (???) ... if - what would favour a Burlington bid is:

1) there is no indoor speed skating rink east of Chicago so both east coast American and Canadians would regularly use it = legacy

2) there are two mountains within 70km offering the 800m drop - Smugglers Notch and Sugarbush - Vermont has the biggest resorts in the East ... they could even consider Killington with 957m but thats a bit further

3) there are two mountains offering a 600m drop to be used by the ladies including the tough Jay's Peak and Stowe

4) Stowe has a very strong history of Nordic Skiing - they even once had a ski jump and toboggon run and have hosted the Federation Cup in Tennis in the past here.

5) The Vermont Catacombs are one of the strongest universities in Winter Sports.

6) There are a number of smaller arenas all of which receive significant use - these could be replaced by new buildings with teams and colleges ready to move in = legacy

7) Apart from a minor league baseball team in Burlington, there are no pro-sports teams. A ECHL/AHL team or NBA D-League could become a tenant and have an immediate fan base = legacy.

8) The Western North American continent held a Winter Olympics in 2002 and 2010 ... the East Coast last in 1980

9) The games would attract spectators from across New England, as well as Quebec who would see it as close to home games as they are like to get with Quebec's mountain problems

But all bids have strengths and weaknesses

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No at all moron.

When a city bids, they present an ideal plan (Plan A) of how their bid will look. I would imagine if Burlington bid, they would look to have all of the facilities in Vermont with the ski jumping facilities and bobsleigh run constructed at somewhere like Stowe.

However if costs began to increase, they could always say as a backup option some of the facilities at Lake Placid could be used (Plan B) - this would be attractive to the IOC as a privately funded American bid had a 'get out of jail card' - and they are still under 150km from the bid city even if they used the long road only route.

If Denver faced this issue, the nearest ski jumps are at Steamboat Springs at over 250km , well outside of the normal distances that the IOC permit. If Reno started to suffer cost overuns they have got nowhere to go except Salt Lake City at 800km+.

Go back and re-read what I orginally wrote in the opening post. And then see what an idiot you have been.

"Errr", N yet you still consistently FAIL to explain Y this so-called "plan B" would be logistically feasible when those longer, smaller roads still could also face ice & snow conditions, just like what you hypocritically cited against Albany to Lake Placid.

Plus, these roads from Burlington to Lake Placid R NOT fast, interstate highways like the one the majority of the way to Albany. N as a matter of fact, you would also have to use that HWY 73 for this "plan B", too. Go figure! So while technically still a shorter distance, overall, that shorter distance doesn't make one peep of a difference if you're dealing with a slower & cumbersome way, AROUND the lake, to get to Lake Placid from Burlington. If anything, it's a wash at best.

N comparing Denver to Steamboat Springs is not accurate, since that distance is actually almost 250 MILES, not "kilometers" (much farther than 140 miles), & more than half of that travel would rely on two-lane roads. So of course that would be a non-starter.

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"Errr", N yet you still consistently FAIL to explain Y this so-called "plan B" would be logistically feasible when those longer, smaller roads still could also face ice & snow conditions, just like what you hypocritically cited against Albany to Lake Placid.

Plus, these roads from Burlington to Lake Placid R NOT fast, interstate highways like the one the majority of the way to Albany. N as a matter of fact, you would also have to use that HWY 73 for this "plan B", too. Go figure! So while technically still a shorter distance, overall, that shorter distance doesn't make one peep of a difference if you're dealing with a slower & cumbersome way, AROUND the lake, to get to Lake Placid from Burlington. If anything, it's a wash at best.

N comparing Denver to Steamboat Springs is not accurate, since that distance is actually almost 250 MILES, not "kilometers" (much farther than 140 miles), & more than half of that travel would rely on two-lane roads. So of course that would be a non-starter.

You are living proof of the saying

"Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

You are too ignorant to check your own facts.

Google Maps from Denver to Steamboat Springs

a) US40E and I70E = 156miles/251km

B) US40E = 165miles/266km

Here is the link - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl MORON

So you don't think that they know how to cope with snow in Vermont?

Which part are you too thick and too infantile to understand? In a Burlington bid book, the bobsleigh and ski jump would be located in Vermont. In the appendices would be a small mention that as an alternative they could use Lake Placid's facilities. Under driving conditions it takes 2hrs 33mins to get to Lake Placid from Albany and 2hrs 3mins to get to Lake Placid from Burlington. But the IOC consider distance not travel time.

You don't think that the organisers at Albertville, Lillehammer, Nagano, SLC, Turin, and Vancouver as well as Sochi and Pyeongchang have not put into place extra provision for spectators moving in snowy conditions?

You think that Albertville, Lillehammer, Turin built highways for travelling in the mountains?

You have got to be the worst poster on this site, you've selected a MINOR point and latched on to it like a rabid dog. Your remarks are easily proven wrong and worst your childish way of writing using 'N' makes it difficult to read the pointless comments you make.

Please feel free to plague other peoples articles so that those who want can have a sensible conversation here

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So you don't think that they know how to cope with snow in Vermont?

You don't think that the organisers at Albertville, Lillehammer, Nagano, SLC, Turin, and Vancouver as well as Sochi and Pyeongchang have not put into place extra provision for spectators moving in snowy conditions?

You have got to be the worst poster on this site, you've selected a MINOR point and latched on to it like a rabid dog. Your remarks are easily proven wrong and worst your childish way of writing using 'N' makes it difficult to read the pointless comments you make.

How is it "minor" when you "R" the one who HYPOCRITICALLY brought it up TBW! Wouldn't the same "provisions" with snow hold true in New York, where both Albany "N" Lake Placid "R" located, mr. the one who thinks that they know everything.

"N" so what, get over it "N" stop being so petty. Latching on to such a "minor" detail "N" hanging on to it like a "rabid N" petty troll. But anyway, I'm done with u "N" this asinine thread over a "delusional" so-called bid that'll never really matarialize, anyway.

You only come on here & create nonsensical threads from Minneapolis, to timbuctu to Burlington, cause u get nothing but "bid-boners", like some others on here, "N" get your panties all in a bind when people challenge you on your nonsense, "N" then u start insulting them with personal attacks, like some despicable, obnoxious jacka$s. That doesn't demonstrate anything intellectual on your part. On the contrary, only pettiness "N" childish behavior. But have fun with your 'threads', "BS".

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How is it "minor" when you "R" the one who HYPOCRITICALLY brought it up TBW! Wouldn't the same "provisions" with snow hold true in New York, where both Albany "N" Lake Placid "R" located, mr. the one who thinks that they know everything.

"N" so what, get over it "N" stop being so petty. Latching on to such a "minor" detail "N" hanging on to it like a "rabid N" petty troll. But anyway, I'm done with u "N" this asinine thread over a "delusional" so-called bid that'll never really matarialize, anyway.

You only come on here & create nonsensical threads from Minneapolis, to timbuctu to Burlington, cause u get nothing but "bid-boners", like some others on here, "N" get your panties all in a bind when people challenge you on your nonsense, "N" then u start insulting them with personal attacks, like some despicable, obnoxious jacka$s. That doesn't demonstrate anything intellectual on your part. On the contrary, only pettiness "N" childish behavior. But have fun with your 'threads', "BS".

It is always painful to read your posts - the only person talking nonsense with your ludicrous statements which you cannot back up with asked

1) So Steamboat Springs is 250miles from Denver. PROVE IT ... especially when I have shown it is 156miles

2) I created an article about Philadelpia not Minneapolis so you cannot get that correct

You make stupid comments which cannot be supported by any facts whatsoever. You do little research and even when you do you can't even get the simplest of facts right

I challenge your brainless comments because in every single post you have made in every comment on this article you have got your FACTS WRONG

You have not challenged a single fact about why Burlington couldn't hold the games

1) You say Aspen (6,000) is the same size is Burlington (210,000) - utter nonsense and brainless. As the biggest city in the state, Burlington would also have more facilities and services than a comparable city of its size elsewhere. It is basic intelligence to realise this

2) You say Albertville had distances of over 200km between locations when the furthest distance was 94km -

3) You say Steamboat Springs is over 250miles from Denver when it takes 30seconds to prove this totally wrong -

You are the most ignorant poster on this site, who simply seeks to spoil articles for others and because of this you deserve to be subjected to personal attacks,

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First of all, I said that it was "almost" 250 miles (just off the top) & I used that number bcuz u keep writing in your fricken "kilometers". It takes 80 miles west, from Downtown Denver on I-70, to reach the Silverthorne exit/hwy 40. Then u take that slow, TWO-LANE highway north about another hundred miles to get to Steamboat Springs, so 180 miles in all.

Second, I never gave actual figures for Albertville. I said that their venues were dispersed. So don't put words in my mouth that I never said.

Third, Aspen, along with Vail, is one of North America's top Winter Sports destinations. Which accommodates many tourist every year, much moreso than Burlington. So why couldn't they be compared, exactly.

N yet u still refuse to admit that you hypocrtically argue & use arguements which then u try to turn around & use for your own basis. Double standards to say the least. i.e. the snow "provisions" Albany/Burlington.

But I can't continue to stoop myself down to your level. So there's no point in this any further. U don't listen to reason, N a lot of this is common sense anyway.

N I've also already reported your vile, & vulgar verbal attacks to the moderator (which you've down to a few others in here, too), which only a true "cretin" does.

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First of all, I said that it was "almost" 250 miles (just off the top) & I used that number bcuz u keep writing in your fricken "kilometers". It takes 80 miles west, from Downtown Denver on I-70, to reach the Silverthorne exit/hwy 40. Then u take that slow, TWO-LANE highway north about another hundred miles to get to Steamboat Springs, so 180 miles in all.

Second, I never gave actual figures for Albertville. I said that their venues were dispersed. So don't put words in my mouth that I never said.

Third, Aspen, along with Vail, is one of North America's top Winter Sports destinations. Which accommodates many tourist every year, much moreso than Burlington. So why couldn't they be compared, exactly.

N yet u still refuse to admit that you hypocrtically argue & use arguements which then u try to turn around & use for your own basis. Double standards to say the least. i.e. the snow "provisions" Albany/Burlington.

But I can't continue to stoop myself down to your level. So there's no point in this any further. U don't listen to reason, N a lot of this is common sense anyway.

N I've also already reported your vile, & vulgar verbal attacks to the moderator (which you've down to a few others in here, too), which only a true "cretin" does.

ooh am I supposed to be scared that the little baby has reported me to the GB Moderator?

The GB Moderator will look through this article, see what I originally wrote, and see that you have continued to hijack this article with your complete nonsense, deliberately and maliciously trying to spoil it

And Vermont is the largest Winter destination in the east.

What your marginal intellect does not seem to grasp but what I have written about on many occasions is that Aspen/Vail could not deal with the number of indoor venues required. Burlington due to the prescence of the University of Vermont, Saint Michaels College and others have already demonstrated that they can maintain a number of venues.

It is not rocket science to understand this. But clearly beyond you.

You have not produced one single reasonable argument at all throughout this entire article.

You were asked to name Olympics were venues were more than 200km from the host city. You presented Albertville as your false example. Who cares about dispertion? Its like having a giant blanket - if it covers all of the venues, spread out is utterly irrelevant.

1) You've been told about the IOC distance requirements and this has gone over your head

2) You've been told that Lake Placid would only be a fall back position if after winning the rights Vermont decided NOT to build their own facilities closer but you have totally ignored this

3) You have refused to acknowledge that even if they used this fall back position all facilities still fall within the 150km requirement

You have NOT produced one comment that would be described as common sense.

and I think I will report you to the GB Moderator for deliberately 'trolling' on this article.

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Is there seriously a 10 page thread on a hypothetical bid for Burlington, Vermont (and I have skimmed through all 10 pages)? Because you came up with a venue list (and a pretty crappy one at that), that makes Burlington worthy of discussion? If they had showed the tiniest bit of interest (and it's not like we haven't seen plenty of that from other cities), then maybe it would be worth discussing. But if you seriously think that Burlington is capable of beating out the competition to host a Winter Olympics (especially if your smoking gun is the IIHF Women's World Championships), then that is pretty delusional. You can't just lay a venue plan out there irregardless of all outside factors and say it's going to work. You do this way too often and wonder why we're resistant to entertain whatever city you want to discuss. This coming from the guy who thinks a Brisbane summer bid is laughable, but wants us to discuss Burlington. Maybe that's not destined to happen, but in terms of relevant hosting experience.. 2001 Goodwill Games > 2012 IIHF Women's World Championships.

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Except you fail to mention that the Winter Resorts of Vermont - Killington and Stowe - are the largest in the East

Killington and Stowe are not the largest ski resorts in the East.

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Except you fail to mention that the Winter Resorts of Vermont - Killington and Stowe - are the largest in the East so clearly if there is going to be a realistic bid from the East USA, Burlington would likely be a strong candidate

Who says there has to be a bid from the Eastern United States? If so, do you really think this is it? Just because they're the best the East coast can offer does not make them a strong candidate. This is the Reno/Tahoe argument again here.. they may have the ski resorts to handle the outdoor events, but they are woefully inadequate on the city side of things and if you think downsized and temporary arenas are going to entice the IOC, someone out there is going to beat them easily

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This particular ski resort happens to be the largest one in the entire eastern part of the United States

Killington and Stowe are not the largest ski resorts in the East.

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