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They don't even need something like that. They just had that freakin' accident on their bullet train.

Let's talk about something that BOTH nations have -- bullet trains and their safety record. In the FIFTY years that Japan has been operating its bullet trains, they've had SEVEN BILLION...count'em SEVEN billion SAFE trips .thru three Olympic Games, a couple of world's fairs, earthquakes and all.

http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/shinkansen-bullet-trains-in-Japan

What about Spain? About twenty years old only, thru one Olympic Games, two World Expos and one recent tragic accident with 78 deaths already!! :wacko:

Just based on this criterion alone, to whom would you give another Olympic Games?? :blink:

Personas que viven en casas de cristal no deben tirar piedras a otros. ("People who live in glass houses..."

You know, I dont support using these kind of disasters to damage a bid, so I dont support Paul.

But using the deaths of 78 people like that is just too much.

Im not so obsessed with the fc++ng olympics to behave like that. And by the way, the train wasnt a bullet train, so get your information right.

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You have this amazing propensity to rewrite reality to support your personal desired outcome. It looks to me that Tokyo's had a very successful visit so far.

But of course it was much worse. Did anyone really was so innocent to believe that the magnitude of the radiation, after the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl, was insignificant?). What pisses me

Why fear? Radiation level in Tokyo is one of the LOWEST out of ALL other major capital cities. If you don't want Tokyo to win the bid that's totally understandable but please state facts and not fear

...I'm not THAT huge a fan of Madrid but if I chose of the 3 it would be Madrid by far.



I am much more disgusted with Japan than I am enamored with Madrid. I just don't think Japans deserve anything at the moment or for the foreseeable future, as they should be busy cleaning up their contamination for decades.


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And Spain does?! They have a couple of big messes of their own to clean up as well, financial & doping wise, i.e. O.P. Going by your flawed logic, then NONE of the three really deserve anything. It seems that something bias or personal is driving your "disgust" with Japan. Was Pokeman too much for you while making a trip to Japan.

Funny, cuz how you feel about Japan is more or less how I feel about Spain, ATM. Their bid narrative is an oxymoron. They constantly try to make conveinient arguments to their benifit, while at the same time trying to tell how the IOC "should" run the Games. They should fix all of their in-house troubles first before they start trying to dictate to others on how to be "responsible".

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And Spain does?! They have a couple of big messes of their own to clean up as well, financial & doping wise, i.e. O.P. Going by your flawed logic, then NONE of the three really deserve anything. It seems that something bias or personal is driving your "disgust" with Japan. Was Pokeman too much for you while making a trip to Japan.

Funny, cuz how you feel about Japan is more or less how I feel about Spain, ATM. Their bid narrative is an oxymoron. They constantly try to make conveinient arguments to their benifit, while at the same time trying to tell how the IOC "should" run the Games. They should fix all of their in-house troubles first before they start trying to dictate to others on how to be "responsible".

Yeah, I pointed out the same thing before too. Paul's seeming anger that Tokyo is even bidding is about the way I feel for Madrid - I just feel it has no business doing so in its economic situation, still so soon after Barcelona and for reasons that seem to have more to do with their rivalry with Catalonia more than anything else. But, yeah, I'm biased as well - I've always had a soft spot for Japan and its culture, and while I've loved Spain on my various travels, I've never considered Madrid exciting or its highlight or stunning jewel.

None of the three do deserve anything and none of the three is particularly inspiring. That's why, despite the uncertain outcome, this is not a particularly exciting race.

Hear, hear. "Deserving bid" and "best bid" are terms that mean nothing and really shouldn't be bandied about so much here.

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None of the three do deserve anything and none of the three is particularly inspiring. That's why, despite the uncertain outcome, this is not a particularly exciting race.

Why couldn't Rome stay in the game! That would have been far more deserving and a more inspiring games.

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But using the deaths of 78 people like that is just too much.

Im not so obsessed with the fc++ng olympics to behave like that. And by the way, the train wasnt a bullet train, so get your information right.

Oh please. I'm just stating something that's fact.

OK, so it wasn't a bullet train...but it sure was speeding like one -- which it has no BUSINESS doing. The point is let's compare apples to apples...not apples to oranges. That's the bigger point.

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Oh please. I'm just stating something that's fact.

OK, so it wasn't a bullet train...but it sure was speeding like one -- which it has no BUSINESS doing. The point is let's compare apples to apples...not apples to oranges. That's the bigger point.

If you want to state facts, let´s talk about all train accidents or airplane or whatever accident happen in any country. Accidents are just accidents and trying to blame a whole country is just unbelievable.

A bullet train goes much much faster than the train that crashed. I don't know where you live, but I doubt you have seen a bullet train before, and by the way, Spain never had an accident with a bullet train. Never.

But again, It would be easy to say for me that we never had a tsunami or that we never had a nuclear plant accident like the one in Japan. But again, that would be stupid on my side because I understand that accidents can happen ANYWHERE.

An example: http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2005-04-25-voa9-66379932/547602.html

A very very similar train accident in Japan, in 2009 (not so long ago) and the cause was the driver going above the speed limit.

Anyway, Im done talking about accidents. I will never attack Japan or Turkey for the bad luck the could have at a given point with a bad accident and above all I think that victims deserve some respect, but maybe in your culture it is right to play with dead people to make a point about the Olympics.

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OK, so it wasn't a bullet train...but it sure was speeding like one -- which it has no BUSINESS doing. The point is let's compare apples to apples...not apples to oranges. That's the bigger point.

Actually, it WAS a bullet train, but the section of line through Santiago de Compostela is not part of the specially-built high-speed track. Therein, perhaps, lies part of the reason for the accident.

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Actually, it WAS a bullet train, but the section of line through Santiago de Compostela is not part of the specially-built high-speed track. Therein, perhaps, lies part of the reason for the accident.

Actually it wasn't a bullet train, it was an Alvia train. Alvia trains use part of the high speed track network to reach cities that doesn't have high speed trains. And the reason for the accident, as everybody knows, is a human mistake by the driver.

I guess that this is the first time in history that an accident happens involving a human mistake. Oh, no.. wait.. a similar accident killing 50 happened in Japan in 2009.

I just dont see what the point of all this talk about high speed trains is. To undermine Madrid 2020? I think there are a number of reasons against Madrid 2020 but this one is not one of them.

And lets be fair. If the high speed train accident is a problem for Madrid 2020, the nuclear accident in Japan should be too for Tokyo 2020.

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And lets be fair. If the high speed train accident is a problem for Madrid 2020, the nuclear accident in Japan should be too for Tokyo 2020.

Mansanas a oranjes! ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME. One is a result of human error and stupidity; the other was caused by nature.

If you CAN'T see the difference, then that's why Madrid will lose again!

Amen.

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Actually it wasn't a bullet train, it was an Alvia train. Alvia trains use part of the high speed track network to reach cities that doesn't have high speed trains. And the reason for the accident, as everybody knows, is a human mistake by the driver.

It was a train capable of running at speeds (c240kph) faster than can safely be used without specially-designed track, just like the Shinkansen (and in fact faster than the original Japanese Bullet Trains). The accident happened just beyond the end of such a section of special track (although that particular section had a speed limit of a mere 200 kph). Yes, the accident was caused by driver error, but the circumstances which made the accident possible seem to be partly due to fundamental flaws in the project concept, and corner-cutting in implementation.

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Showcasing the "power of sport," 1,000 km "Discover Tomorrow" cross-country relay concludes in Tokyo

Tokyo, 7 August 2013 - With exactly one month to go until the International Olympic Committee (IOC) selects the Host City for the 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games, passionate sport fans including Olympians and Tokyo Governor Naoki Inose took part in the final stage of the 14-day “Discover Tomorrow” 1,000-km Relay to Tokyo today.

The event united and energised fans along a route that travelled through seven prefectures, including area affected by the 2011 earthquake. The relay was further evidence of Japan’s commitment to the power of sport, which underpins Tokyo’s Bid to host the 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games. In total, more than 700 people took part in the event.

Olympians who participated in the relay included London 2012 Games medallist women’s 48kg freestyle wrestling gold medallist Hitomi Obara, men’s boxing bantamweight (56kg) bronze medallist Satoshi Shimizu and silver medallist in Foil Fencing Kenta Chida.

Tokyo 2020 CEO Masato Mizuno said: “‘The ‘Discover Tomorrow’ 1,000-km Relay to Tokyo event showcased the capacity of sport to inspire dreams, hopes, goals and positive change. In the last two years, Japan has rediscovered the invaluable role sport and athletes can play in our lives. Tokyo 2020 believes in the power and values of sport. We want to further elevate the profile of athletes and secure the place of sport and Olympism in 2020, and thereby contribute to the Olympic Movement.

“Tokyo’s Bid has extra significance as a spiritual and physical symbol of Japan’s recovery from the events of 2011. Our 2020 Bid is a bold national undertaking to help us realise a better future; we are striving for excellence, as taught by the Olympic Values.”

Tokyo 2020

http://www.sportsfeatures.com/presspoint/pressrelease/53923/showcasing-the-power-of-sport-1000-km-discover-tomorrow-cross-country-relay-concludes-in-tokyo

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Thanks for these hysterical advises, this threat is becoming :rolleyes:

I'm sure the Japanese people are doing the best to resolve this issue. After all, they uphold for tragedies and disasters before. Also, this damage came for a natural disaster. Not like decisions for dictatorships or bad mistakes from the government who costs civil rights.

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NO.

The Japanese government and power industry was not ready to deal with the disaster. IT IS EARTHQUAKE COUNTRY! Just like California...........if you are building a NUCLEAR plant plans include ALL possible situation particularly if you decide to build on a Tsunami/Earthquake potential beach.

This is a FAIL by Japan and the world is being damaged by their incompetence.

NOT to mention the many many missteps and cover-ups that TEPCO and the Japanese government have demonstrated and engaged in since the event.

They don't get a pass cuz "you can't predict a natural disaster"….you must predict where they may occur and plan for the worst possible scenario...........YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR ANYTHING WHEN YOU POTENTIALLY MIGHT CREATE A CHERNOBYL WITH YOUR BUSINESS.

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What is fricken wrong with you, seriously! :blink:

Did you not get enough soy sauce with you sushi on a trip over there or something. Or did a "Godzilla-like" bully push you around in school or something when you were little. "Hysterical", like some have already mentioned, is exactly how you're behaving about this.

Too bad that they're aren't any prominent Japanese members on here to call you out on your spasmodic episodes about this, like some of the Spanish members do here to people they think are being "unfair" about their bid.

And you as an American as well, I'd be careful about saying things like "Japan is damaging the world by their imcompetence". That could come back to bite you in the behind real quick by individuals who always like to point the finger at the U.S. for whatever reasons.

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NO.

The Japanese government and power industry was not ready to deal with the disaster. IT IS EARTHQUAKE COUNTRY! Just like California...........if you are building a NUCLEAR plant plans include ALL possible situation particularly if you decide to build on a Tsunami/Earthquake potential beach.

This is a FAIL by Japan and the world is being damaged by their incompetence.

NOT to mention the many many missteps and cover-ups that TEPCO and the Japanese government have demonstrated and engaged in since the event.

They don't get a pass cuz "you can't predict a natural disaster"….you must predict where they may occur and plan for the worst possible scenario...........YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR ANYTHING WHEN YOU POTENTIALLY MIGHT CREATE A CHERNOBYL WITH YOUR BUSINESS.

Like USA damage the Gulf of Mexico for the accident and show incompetence -Using your own values- and create a biological bomb. Maybe as a Mexican I need to reclaim Bush and co. for this damage.

Or the same with the French using Pacific islands as a proof of nuclear bombs.

Seriously, you seems like a Japanese hater with terrible excuses. Like FYI said wisely: And you as an American as well, I'd be careful about saying things like "Japan is damaging the world by their imcompetence". That could come back to bite you in the behind real quick by individuals who always like to point the finger at the U.S. for whatever reasons.

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Each country have serious problem related to accidents and even with the best plans something could fail. it's unfair and ridiculous remark this as an incompetence, because this is an specific issue with clear and different variables of control. The optimal choice is resolve this situation inmediately, but even in a proper situation, they make the best effort -With mistakes and other problems related- to resolve this tragedy. The nature of criticism is unfair and lame as part of a hateful speech. I hope USA or any other country doesn't have this problem on this.

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