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Like what. Any outlook to shove Europe outta the way for 2024, eh? Madrid isn't offering exciting nor risk free, so what's exactly the appeal there. And Wrestling hasn't gotten removed yet, but the fact that it's on the list of sports potentially to get the heave-ho, is probably enough to piss some people off.

What a stupid thing to say. Wrestling has been removed...IDK what you are saying. Right now its on the same level as squash and baseball/softball. We've seen how unpredictable the IOC can be in their voting. Wrestling's removal in February is a prime example. Sure we can speculate on favourites like Tokyo, but you have no idea how the IOC members will vote in September. I highly doubt that you could have predicted wrestling getting the axe (albeit probably a temporary axing), so it would be wise to consider all outcomes in September.

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You have this amazing propensity to rewrite reality to support your personal desired outcome. It looks to me that Tokyo's had a very successful visit so far.

But of course it was much worse. Did anyone really was so innocent to believe that the magnitude of the radiation, after the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl, was insignificant?). What pisses me

Why fear? Radiation level in Tokyo is one of the LOWEST out of ALL other major capital cities. If you don't want Tokyo to win the bid that's totally understandable but please state facts and not fear

Isn't that the whole point of this forum? And in my experience, a lot of us here tend to get it right.

You cut off half of my point. I was saying that of course we can speculate about a favourite like Toyko, but I wouldn't be surprised about certain outcomes in September.

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You cut off half of my point. I was saying that of course we can speculate about a favourite like Toyko, but I wouldn't be surprised about certain outcomes in September.

Fair enough.

Anyway, we'll all get a chance to make our fearless final predictions before September when we open up the inevitable final "Guess the Vote Results" thread. And anyway, sure, none of us know how individual or groups of IOC members will vote, but a lot of us have a pretty good idea of the type of things that will probably shape the results based on our past observations.

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What a stupid thing to say. Wrestling has been removed...IDK what you are saying. Right now its on the same level as squash and baseball/softball. We've seen how unpredictable the IOC can be in their voting. Wrestling's removal in February is a prime example. Sure we can speculate on favourites like Tokyo, but you have no idea how the IOC members will vote in September. I highly doubt that you could have predicted wrestling getting the axe (albeit probably a temporary axing), so it would be wise to consider all outcomes in September.

How has Wrestling been "removed, gotten the axe", what have you, when the full IOC membership still has to vote on it on September 10th whether or not it'll be on the 2020 program. The only thing that was accomplised back in February was the Executive Board including it on the list of sports that "could" be removed.

And yeah, no one really knows how the IOC will vote, but most people with an objective outlooks can generally call out the races based on several hypothesis'. It's what we do here, it's what the media does, & it's what the bookies do. And right now, none of them even have Madrid on their radar. They have a chance simply bcuz they're on the ballot, but that's about as far as it goes.

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Fair enough.

Anyway, we'll all get a chance to make our fearless final predictions before September when we open up the inevitable final "Guess the Vote Results" thread. And anyway, sure, none of us know how individual or groups of IOC members will vote, but a lot of us have a pretty good idea of the type of things that will probably shape the results based on our past observations.

Of course. There are many knowledgable people like yourself on this site, and you have much more experience with past bids than I do.

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How has Wrestling been "removed, gotten the axe", what have you, when the full IOC membership still has to vote on it on September 10th whether or not it'll be on the 2020 program. The only thing that was accomplised back in February was the Executive Board including it on the list of sports that "could" be removed.

And yeah, no one really knows how the IOC will vote, but most people with an objective outlooks can generally call out the races based on several hypothesis'. It's what we do here, it's what the media does, & it's what the bookies do. And right now, none of them even have Madrid on their radar. They have a chance simply bcuz they're on the ballot, but that's about as far as it goes.

I understand Madrid is not a favourite by any means. However, I am just basing this upon the fact that the IOC has been very surprising in the past. I myself see Tokyo winning this one ATM, but my point is that stranger things have happened, and we have seen how much influence JAS Jr. has within the IOC, so Madrid wouldn't be a massive shock to me. I respect all of the speculating and predicting because that's what this site is all about, but I just was taking a look at all outcomes in September.

About wrestling, in my books it was axed for 2020. It will of course be there for 2016, but as far as the 2020 games are concerned, it's on the same level as squash and badminton/softball.

LOL I mean baseball/softball

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Yeah, sure. The IOC can be very unpredictable. I've observed many of these races throughout the years to know that they can be. But there's always a general consensus in every race of who the ultimate winner is gonna be.

Like I said earlier, even the media hardly acknowledges Madrid in this race, if at all. Could Madrid win? Yeah, sure. They're on the ballot, so they have "a" chance. Even Istanbul had a chance for 2008 simply bcuz they were on the ticket but most everyone knew that those Games were Beijjng's to lose.

So there's a good chance, which again seems to be general consensus, that Wrestling will be let back in the Olympics.

Edit: on Sept 8th the full IOC membership will vote on which sport between Wrestling, Baseball & Squash will be let on the 2020 program.

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Yes, you are right, Madrid is a weak candidacy for the media and public opinion because his budget is no so big, because of the crisis feeling, and because it isn't so well known as Tokyo or Istambul.

But it doesn't mean that Madrid is a safe option for the IOC and a very comfortable for the athletes, managed by athletes and designed from and for them.

A budget 2.000 million euros (or more) isn't a problem for Spain economy, only Madrid city payed 3.000 million for the biggest underground motorway.

Also Sheldon Adelson magnate will make lobby for the city because he will develope in Madrid his enormous complex "Eurovegas" (and will be ready for the olympics), probably you don't know him. He is one of the top richest man and have a lot of influence in USA, Asia and Israel. He is the CIO of Las Vegas Sands (3 resorts in Las Vegas, Macao LVS-Cotai, Marina Bay Singapore...) and he said they'll do anything for Madrid to get the OG.

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The Court of Arbitration for Sport 2012/A/2912

Koji Murofushi & Japanese Olympic Committee v. International Olympic Committee

7. Conclusion

157. By decision dated 11 August 2012, the IOC Executive Board decided to withdraw Mr Murofushi’s candidature for the IOC Athletes’ Commission. In light of all of the above, the Court of Arbitration for Sport concludes to uphold the decision of the IOC Executive Board and in turn dismisses the appeal filed by Mr Murofushi and the Japanese Olympic Committee. Having said this, the Court of Arbitration for Sport would like to add that – at least to a significant extent – Mr Murofushi was a victim of an overzealous Japanese Olympic Committee and that Mr Murofushi’s own actions were neither motivated by a desire to cheat nor can they be equated to dishonesty. Mr Murofushi’s reputation and integrity as a sportsman, therefore, remains completely untarnished.

http://www.tas-cas.org/news

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/6842/5048/0/Award20291220FINAL20redacted.pdf

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Athletics: Murofushi was victim, says Court of Arbitration

Former Olympic champion Koji Murofushi, who last month lost his appeal against disqualification from an election to become an International Olympic Committee member representing athletes, was the victim of an "overzealous" Japanese Olympic Committee, according to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The CAS concluded in a detailed report of the arbitral award released Tuesday that "the candidate (Murofushi) was, at least to a significant extent, the victim of an overzealous NOC (National Olympic Committee) and that his own actions were neither motivated by a desire to cheat nor can they be equated to dishonesty."

"His reputation and integrity as a sportsman, therefore, remains completely untarnished."

The 38-year-old Murofushi garnered enough votes to secure a seat on the commission during the election at last summer's London Olympics, but the IOC voided his results, citing violations of campaign activity rules.

Dissatisfied with this decision, Murofushi and the JOC filed an appeal with the CAS on Sept. 3. It was the first time the JOC had filed an appeal to the CAS.

The CAS said in a release that the reason its panel upheld the IOC's decision "was due to the fact that the JOC did not comply with the applicable rules and regulations."

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^Exactly. And it's precisely what I brought up in post #218 of this thread. Tokyo 2020 already has 4.5 Billion already set aside for the Games.

Anyway one looks at it, Tokyo is truly the 'safe option' of this race. If the IOC is still willing to take a big risk, I'd say that they'd take it with Istanbul instead.

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I continue saying that 3.000 - 4.000 million is a very assumable amount for our country. Nowadays there are people that think that it is not good to apply for the games, but if we get the games,,, the country will take it with more hope and a lot of euphoria.

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Tokyo 2020 Bid leadership 'extremely pleased' at strong Evaluation Commission verdict

Tokyo, 25 June 2013 - Tokyo 2020 bid leader Tsunekazu Takeda today welcomed a ‘very strong’ report from the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Evaluation Commission on Tokyo’s bid to host the Olympic and Paralympic Games.

The report, a technical assessment of the 14 themes included in the Bid Candidature File following the Commission’s visit to Tokyo in March 2013, has confirmed that Tokyo 2020 is capable of hosting an excellent Games.

The IOC Evaluation Commission, led by IOC member Sir Craig Reedie, highlighted a number of areas as being particular strengths, including:

- Well-organised and safe Games. “As a modern, dynamic city that sets global trends and, at the same time, has a strong respect for its history and culture Tokyo seeks to deliver well-organised and safe Games that would unite world-class innovation with traditional values under the motto of ‘Discover Tomorrow’.”

- Tokyo’s promise of a compact, city-centre celebration. Thanks to the compact Games concept, the Evaluation Commission Report confirms that “The Games vision is to create a unique celebration in the centre of the city that would help reinforce the Olympic values and demonstrate the benefits of sport to a new generation.” It also cites “Athletes would enjoy short travel times as the majority of venues would be within 20 minutes of the Olympic Village.”

- Tokyo’s financial strength. The report verified that the city has the necessary financial strength, with several references to the “Hosting Reserve Fund” of USD 4.5 billion already set aside by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, which “exceeds the proposed amount of government funded capital expenditures associated with the Games and its presence significantly reduces the risks normally inherent in the delivery of Games infrastructure by government.” The report also highlights that “no capital investment is required for transportation, airports, accommodation, electrical infrastructure or security in order to host the Games,” and adds, “The Commission is confident that the Japanese economy would be able to support the necessary infrastructure development needed for the delivery of the Games.”

- Tokyo’s “robust” existing transport network. Citing the compact nature of the Tokyo concept, the report highlighted that “With one of the most modern and efficient public transport systems in the world, the majority of client groups would enjoy short travel times. The concept lends itself to the possibility for Tokyo to create a city-centre Olympic celebration.”

- Tokyo’s legacy plans. “Using and renovating existing venues would reinvigorate the legacy of the 1964 Olympic Games and the 11 new permanent venues, some of which would also be used after the Games as national training centres, would create a long term foundation for the respective sports in Japan.” In addition, Tokyo’s “legacy plans are well thought out and incorporate physical, social and environmental initiatives”.

Tsunekazu Takeda, IOC Member and President of Tokyo 2020 as well as the Japanese Olympic Committee (JOC), said: “I am extremely pleased with the report, which reflects the very positive and productive week we shared with the IOC team. We thank the members of the Evaluation Commission for visiting Tokyo and recognising so many positive aspects of the city that will allow us to deliver a superb Games.

“We are proud that the report confirms our Bid’s very strong technical excellence, which offers certainty in uncertain times for sport. There can be no doubt that we will deliver and offer the IOC a strong partnership.

“We are also aware that we must deliver much more than just a strong report. This is why we are thrilled that the report reflects the excitement and passion within our Games vision, the delivery of a city centre Games celebration with 35 million passionate sport fans that will be unlike anything seen before.

“The report clearly identifies the advantage of our ultra compact Games plan, which puts the athletes first with 85% of venues within 8km of the Olympic Village, and fully integrates the Games in heart of Tokyo’s safe and exciting city-centre.

“We are pleased that the Commission highlights the value of ‘one of the most modern and efficient public transport systems in the world’ that exists in Tokyo, which underpins our super efficient Games plan and ensures very short and stress-free journeys so every athlete and member of the Games Family will arrive on time.

“It is particularly encouraging that our vision and plans continue to receive overwhelming public support, highlighted by IOC’s poll showing 70% support in Tokyo.

“With such strong technical foundations, we know we can focus on the all important extras that will help to inspire millions of young people and help keep Olympism at the heart of our rapidly changing world.”

Naoki Inose, Chairman of Tokyo 2020 and Governor of Tokyo, said: “During the IOC Evaluation Commission’s visit to Tokyo in March of this year, the Bid Committee explained in detail about Tokyo’s intricate transportation system which carries 26 million people each day, the $4.5 billion Games Hosting Fund already in the bank, and the safe and secure nature of our city. Additionally, through our seamless and efficient arrangement of site visits, the Evaluation Commission members were left with a strong impression of our compact venue plan and organizational ability. Furthermore, with our sincere “omotenashi” spirit of hospitality, I feel that Tokyo’s appeal as a city was conveyed accurately as well.

“As a result, I am extremely happy to learn that Tokyo’s compact venue plan, quick and reliable transportation system, first-class accommodation, strong financial base, solid security system, and strong hosting ability were rated high by the Evaluation Commission members.

“Between now and the announcement of the Host City decision at the IOC General Assembly in September, Tokyo 2020 will continue to give our all to the Bid in order to realise our goal of hosting an Olympic and Paralympic Games which inspires th

e world. Our activity is supported by an All-Japan team including the national government, regional governments, the business community, and the sports world.”

Tsunekazu Takeda concluded: “The IOC’s feedback is highly valuable, so we will continue to study the highly positive report closely and review any areas we can make additional improvements as we prepare to host a superb Games in 2020.”

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) will elect the 2020 host city at the 125th IOC Session in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on 7 Sept. 2013.

http://www.sportsfeatures.com/presspoint/pressrelease/53858/tokyo-2020-bid-leadership-extremely-pleased-at-strong-evaluation-commission-verdict

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No comment about the UGLY Hadid makeover of Olympic Stadium?? I would've downscored Tokyo immediately on that point alone!! :angry:

Hey take it easy the new Tokyo Japan Olympics Stadium is the coolest stadium in the world theses is an stadium for future stadiums it will be really great to see the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics Games Ceremonies in that place the coolest looking place out of Istanbul and Madrid design for the Ceremonies venue, Tokyo tops them in that alone,

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