paul Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Oh my....I hope he go out before it was raised. Edited August 6, 2016 by paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Does have anyone here seen the cauldron since the end of the OC? Normally there is a screen in the Broadcast Studio that shows the Cauldron all the time. But not this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Daze said: Does have anyone here seen the cauldron since the end of the OC? Normally there is a screen in the Broadcast Studio that shows the Cauldron all the time. But not this time. I get to see the outdoor cauldron earlier (sorry no pics) and the kinectic part are not moving when I got to see it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekkie Boy Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 They seem to be keeping the second cauldron a secret - only a couple of quite unofficial videos around of it's lighting in the middle of the night and not seen a single shot of it on the broadcasts today.  It's as if the IOC are wanting to downplay the cauldron and make it just about the lighting rather than it burning for the games. If the Maracana was the Olympic Stadium it would have been fine - the cauldron is just about visible above the roof line and it would look superb overlooking the athletics, and be one step up on the London cauldron.  But it's not - it's only used for football and to be honest I would be surprised at all to discover it's been removed for those games. Hopefully Tokyo will return to the tradition but if this is the future of the games I'd rather see the torch arrive in the stadium earlier in the ceremony and then travel through the streets to the location of the city Cauldron to be lit at the end of the ceremony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesLover Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 On 8/12/2012 at 6:31 AM, DannyelBrazil said: I'd like to have something visible from outside Maracana or Gamesbids will be the hell in 2016.. me too want to outside Maracana.. watch this Olympics opening.. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesLover Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 6 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Wow!   That's like 5x what I thought it would be!!  I wonder where they will put the Stadium one after the Paras.  Maybe give it to Sao Paulo?? wooow really but how u earn this  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesLover Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 On 8/12/2012 at 1:21 PM, HJPro said: Maybe the logo will be incorporated into the cauldron yup me too  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Little tiny phone video of the Candelaria cauldron in daylight: Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobase2010 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I guess the indoor cauldron has a motor and the outdoor cauldron is wind power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 So when does the Tokyo cauldron debate begin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 It has already hasn't it? I think the speculation is whether they'll bring the 1964 cauldron out of retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor15 Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 They'll probably use 2 cauldrons at the same time a la Innsbruck. By having a former Japanese athlete lighting the 1964 one and maybe a currently known Japanese athletes lighting a new, modern looking one for 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tower Bridge Fox Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Im finding the cauldron atractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 I rather turn my attention back to the current cauldron. I think it could have been worse, but that implies as well that it could have been better. I think it's somewhat stale if you have several other sculptures looking almost exactly like a cauldron. And Rio didn't even try everything to keep the cauldron design a secret - but on the other hand, they didn't have to. Keeping the cauldron completely hidden under covers is something that actually only London did (and was able to, since their cauldron was located inside the stadium and not on its roof or even outside the stadium). I like the idea of having a smaller cauldron with a relatively low carbon footprint, but this time making it accessible to the general public as well (hello London ;)). And I also like the general idea of shaping it like the sun. Even if it was done already in Rio 2007, it fits a tropical country like Brazil very well to choose the sun. And then there's also the ecological idea behind it. It's not the most beautiful cauldron in Olympic history, but it sure has an interesting and clever design. Rio's 2007 cauldron was more beautiful and impressive, but I don't want to know how much gas they had to burn inside that massive ball of fire. Different times, different measures: Back then in 2007, Brazil was seemingly becoming a new world economic powerhouse, also due to its oil resources. So they had energy in abundance. Nowadays, Brazil is in a deep recession (also a political one), the optimism of the Lula years has gone and we around the world are currently doing everyting to throw our beloved planet in the dumpster. So it was only appropriate to design a less brash, "calmer" cauldron with a political message: namely to behave more responsibly towards our planet and therefore, also towards ourselves. So, all in all, it's a bit of a mixed bag for me, but my overall impression of Rio's cauldron is rather a positive than a negative one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 It nice that Rio decided to use an American Cauldron for their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, paul said: It nice that Rio decided to use an American Cauldron for their games. It was created by an American designer, but built by the German company Hüttinger (situated near Nuremberg), yes. By the way, only the outdoor cauldron was built by the German company, the Maracana cauldron was built elsewhere.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 20 minutes ago, Olympian2004 said: It was created by an American designer, but built by the German company Hüttinger (situated near Nuremberg), yes. By the way, only the outdoor cauldron was built by the German company, the Maracana cauldron was built elsewhere.   A Brazilian here said that one was crafted in Canada; or it could've come from Howe's existing inventory.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy_LeChat Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Been lurking to follow all the "leaks" during the setup but today I can proudly post. The Sun/Cauldron inside the Maracana Stadium was built in Laval (Quebec/Canada) by Show Canada Industries. https://www.facebook.com/industriesshowcanada/ We also took care of the backdrop Cyclorama (behind the box city). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympiaki-agones Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Why many people here still think that frigging cauldrons should be extremely pesimistic about designs. Only Atlanta and London have been phenomena in these terms. By the way, Atlanta has been the most embarrassing ever. The cauldron was, actually, better than I expected. I loved the way the flame started to burn intensively to give movement to the sculpture. While stupid American Olympic editions use boring stars, Brazil use the one from our solar system. On the other hand, this cauldron shuts some people from the forum up about the feasibility of a hanging one. Before Beijing, many of us talked about that, and we where considered retards for considering a hanging cauldron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, olympiaki-agones said: Why many people here still think that frigging cauldrons should be extremely pesimistic about designs. Only Atlanta and London have been phenomena in these terms. By the way, Atlanta has been the most embarrassing ever. The cauldron was, actually, better than I expected. I loved the way the flame started to burn intensively to give movement to the sculpture. While stupid American Olympic editions use boring stars, Brazil use the one from our solar system. On the other hand, this cauldron shuts some people from the forum up about the feasibility of a hanging one. Before Beijing, many of us talked about that, and we where considered retards for considering a hanging cauldron.     But again, technically, this Rio one is ONLY half a cauldron.  The Howe sculpture is merely a BACK-DROP for the bowls.  The combustion in the bowl has NOTHING to do with the movement of the kinetic sculpture.  (Heuttinger even answered my query in the YouTobe post.)  All other cauldrons have really been whole, i..e, NO DECORATIVE elements that aren't really attached to the actual burning bowl.  Lake Placid 1980 Closing.  That's to be extinguished; so it doesn't have to be exciting.  You can hardly see the flame from the lower seats. Re hanging cauldrons, this was used at the Lake Placid Closing was one -- but they were NOT the hanging cauldrons OVER HUGE open-air stadia like the Summer ones.  The hanging caudlron in Rio is from an extended armature (since the roof could not support a 2-ton sculpture-- NOT something like a webcam which is suspended out in the open and on unwieldy cables.  BIG DIFFERENCE, o-a.  Edited August 7, 2016 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy_LeChat Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Interesting video with Anthony Howe. Some inside clips of our shop when we were testing the structure. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 can you talk a little more about the versions between :43 and :56? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy_LeChat Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Sadly no... We got the contract at the end of February 2016. Final design was already selected. From first drawing to last part in container we did it in approx 2.5 months. Quite an impressive job from my team. We were approached for the out of stadium one but did not get the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Buddy_LeChat said: We were approached for the out of stadium one but did not get the contract. Â But that was just a separate contractor for the installation, right? Â I mean you still crafted the outdoor sculpture, too -- and just delivered it to them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Show Canada Industries seem to also have been involved in the Doha 2006 cauldron (its shown on their  website). No wonder why the Rio one looks so similar to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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