baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Nemo said: As for the trees, at least in these games we'll know that the trees will be planted. The concept in Berlin 1936 doesn't make sense to me. What if the athletes don't live in areas where the tree can grow? 1 Then that was the athletes' problems. But most of the gold winners in Berlin were from the temperate countries, so I think the Nazis calculated they would go to northern hemisphere countries. Some of the 1936 winners just threw them away because of the association with Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illustrado Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 ans the debate if the kenetic sculpture is actually part of the caudron starts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 4 hours ago, Blazerblaz3 said: The church cauldron seems much much smaller than the maracana version Neither of them is huge. Here's the waterfront cauldron lighting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Its a shame that the outside cauldron sculpture doesnt seem to move... Also what will happen to the Maracana Cauldron? Will it be moved to the Olympic Stadium for the athletics events and then moved back for the closing? or will it keep burning in the Maracana? or will it be put out to be relit just before the closing ceremony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryOaks Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Do the waterfront sculpture move as well? In that video it's static. They should have broadcasted the lighting of that cauldron as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor15 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Scotguy said: Its a shame that the outside cauldron sculpture doesnt seem to move... Also what will happen to the Maracana Cauldron? Will it be moved to the Olympic Stadium for the athletics events and then moved back for the closing? or will it keep burning in the Maracana? or will it be put out to be relit just before the closing ceremony? 1 hour ago, HenryOaks said: Do the waterfront sculpture move as well? In that video it's static. They should have broadcasted the lighting of that cauldron as well. Well, the designers said that the sculpture is wind-powered. So it will probably move if it gets windy in Rio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 The small spherical-like device used for the cauldron (excluding the impressive Kinetic sculpture) reminds me a lot of the 2001 East Asian Games one, though that one seemed to be a bit larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilherme Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Any shots from the backside of either cauldron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Alexjc said: Still the coolest Cauldron since...well, 2004's flaming Marley...in fact...ever? This cauldron is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlymNay Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 http://instagram.fsdu2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t50.2886-16/13965802_580752722096821_1413984134_n.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I think the outdoor cauldron should had been a bit bigger. It feels so small, even smaller than the ones used for the relay. While the kinetic sculpture is impressive, it still feels somewhat lazy they just reused an already existing structure for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, Ikarus360 said: I think the outdoor cauldron should had been a bit bigger. It feels so small, even smaller than the ones used for the relay. While the kinetic sculpture is impressive, it still feels somewhat lazy they just reused an already existing structure for it. Obviously, Howe gave them a good deal for 2 pieces (probably his mock-up maquettes) already sitting in his warehouse. I'd be curious to know how much they paid Howe for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlymNay Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ikarus360 said: I think the outdoor cauldron should had been a bit bigger. It feels so small, even smaller than the ones used for the relay. While the kinetic sculpture is impressive, it still feels somewhat lazy they just reused an already existing structure for it. actually he made it for the cauldron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JMarkSnow2012 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just in case it hasn't been posted in one of the other OC threads; the behind-the-scenes version of the Candelaria cauldron lighting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 It's underwhelming....why is it so small? I guess it moves if it's windy, it's squeaky in the video above maybe oiling it better will help it move. I'm just trying to take this contraption in, I mean it's not clever at all how they just stuck a bowl on a prong in front of it. I bet there were so many people plotting and planning and making designs on how to mount it and how the pinwheel would wok, they were probably really excited. Unfortunately it's just one of those projects that however complex the planning it just falls flat. It's embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 On 8/11/2012 at 6:11 PM, Olympian2004 said: The busiest thread of the whole London 2012 forum should get a successor. Here it is - any may it bloom to 300+ pages like its predecessor. ...it got to 22 pages so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Interesting Utube video on the making. However, it just magnifies the disconnect between the 2 elements. Howe's fractal design was already out there; and, as others have pointed out, then they just stuck a bowl in front -- NOT even say 2 bowls (for the outdoor one -- one in front and one behind) for some balance -- and have male and female lighters to do it. But the bigger question really is -- the flame does NOT power the motion of the sculpture and the sculpture does NOT power the flame; so... .? The over-complexity of the contraption really does NOT relate to the flame. How many man-hours went into the production of the 2 sculptures; only to be adorned by a simple bowl. Huh?? Edited August 6, 2016 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilherme Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 45 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: Obviously, Howe gave them a good deal for 2 pieces (probably his mock-up maquettes) already sitting in his warehouse. I'd be curious to know how much they paid Howe for them. Already posted in this thread a few months go R$11.000.000,00 About US$ 3.200.000,00 SECRETARIA ESPECIAL DE CONCESSÕES E DE PARCERIAS PÚBLICO-PRIVADAS – SECPAR COMPANHIA DE DESENVOLVIMENTO URBANO DA REGIÃO DO PORTO DO RIO DE JANEIRO – CDURP EXTRATO CONTRATUAL EXPEDIENTE DO DIA 17/06/2016Processo n°: 24/100.048/20161. Contrato: n° 002/20162.Objeto: Prestação de Serviços de criação, realização, com fornecimentode materiais e equipamentos, montagem e desmontagem dos elementosque compõem a escultura cinética a ser executada na AEIU do Portodo Rio de Janeiro;3.Partes: Companhia de Desenvolvimento Urbano da Região do Porto doRio de Janeiro S/A – CDURP e Cenários e Cenas Consultoria Assessoriae Planejamento LTDA;4. Razão: Inexigibilidade5. Fundamento: Art. 25, caput, da Lei 8.666/93;6. Valor Total do contrato: R$ 11.880.000,00 (onze milhões, oitocentos eoitenta mil reais);7. Vigência Contrato: 29/09/2016;8. Data da celebração do Contrato: 03/06/2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilherme Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Im just not sure if the valor is about the cauldron or the site around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, guilherme said: Already posted in this thread a few months go R$11.000.000,00 About US$ 3.200.000,00 SECRETARIA ESPECIAL DE CONCESSÕES E DE PARCERIAS PÚBLICO-PRIVADAS – SECPAR COMPANHIA DE DESENVOLVIMENTO URBANO DA REGIÃO DO PORTO DO RIO DE JANEIRO – CDURP EXTRATO CONTRATUAL EXPEDIENTE DO DIA 17/06/2016Processo n°: 24/100.048/20161. Contrato: n° 002/20162.Objeto: Prestação de Serviços de criação, realização, com fornecimentode materiais e equipamentos, montagem e desmontagem dos elementosque compõem a escultura cinética a ser executada na AEIU do Portodo Rio de Janeiro;3.Partes: Companhia de Desenvolvimento Urbano da Região do Porto doRio de Janeiro S/A – CDURP e Cenários e Cenas Consultoria Assessoriae Planejamento LTDA;4. Razão: Inexigibilidade5. Fundamento: Art. 25, caput, da Lei 8.666/93;6. Valor Total do contrato: R$ 11.880.000,00 (onze milhões, oitocentos eoitenta mil reais);7. Vigência Contrato: 29/09/2016;8. Data da celebração do Contrato: 03/06/2016 Wow! That's like 5x what I thought it would be!! I wonder where they will put the Stadium one after the Paras. Maybe give it to Sao Paulo?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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baron-pierreIV Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 As they say, smoke and MIRRORS!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I feels a little like Rio was inspired a lot by London's long articulating arms but they struggled to achieve a seamless or unified concept. This is a pinwheel hanging behind a firepot. It really is trying too hard to be impressive and interesting, it lacks originality or design substance. Also it's too bad they also reused the sun idea from their Pan Am games, just gave it another been there done that feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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