Blacksheep Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 This is gone way off topic, my apologies for contributing to this. I was well aware of the historical context of the bet. As a nation you like to 'give it large' so expect to get it back when you come up short. Add to this the gloating after Kazakstan started off quickly despite everyone knowing it would be in the sports they would succeed in. Your rowers spent months telling anyone who would listen how they were going to own the British - if you can't step up you should learn to shut up. It was not just your press, it was your athletes too ... so it is a pleasure to rub your noses into it. But we'd have experienced the same pleasure with anyone. I'm not twisting your words. You said "there has been a marked increase in funding allocated for London 2012" - this is not true. From Beijing to London there was a £29m increase ... between Athens and Beijing it was £165m. If you want to use facts, get them right. Most of your national psyche appears to be American now, as the demographics of Australia has changed with immigration from Asia and Southern and Eastern Europe. I would be surprised if 50% of Australians consider themselves to have a Brtisih heritage. I would say from personal experience that NZ is far closer to Britain and Australia closer to the USA in culture and psyche. I was personally surprised at how American it was. Being a History graduate and my dissertation from Southamption University was on the history of the Commonwealth having been to Canada, India, Kenya, Australia and New Zealand, I find your attitude ill informed and patronising. It is often a rule of thumb that the Aussie provoke and the British respond. There was a tale of how a British boat in a yachting race limped into Sydney Harbour to be met with waves of derision from the shore about how the British couldn't properly build a boat to be met with the response from the captain, that at least we properly built that ones that shipped you lot here As your leader and Prime Minister, John Howard would be expected to demonstrate good sportmanship as the host even though his team lost (despite the best efforts of the referee). The fact that he can't reflects on your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 John Howard is not our PM anymore and hasn't been since 2007 (thank god) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 John Howard is not our PM anymore and hasn't been since 2007 (thank god) But he was in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Blacksheep - I don't know how to spell this out for you any clearer... You are basing your entire flawed argument on your personal perception, and presenting it as fact. Thats my problem here, nothing else. You would think a university graduate would understand this fundamental aspect of argument building. You keep painting these athletes are such terrible sportsmen and women, but you fail to consider the fact that there are over 400 of them. You seem to have this angelic concept of British sportsmanship, and quite frankly I don't think it exists any more than it does for any other nation. You seem like a big victim of the media portrayal, both British and Australian. The mere fact you are deriding any athlete based on their nationality sucks, and as I said previously, speaks numbers about your character. On Sunday night, at the Closing Ceremony of one of the best Olympics of all time, you will see a tradition born here in Australia in 1956 of athletes marching in together not as nations that divide them, but as one group. You, and your "jeering" Aussie spectator friends, could gain a lot from understand the significance of what this represents, in relation to the greater institution that is the Olympic movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 It is often a rule of thumb that the Aussie provoke and the British respond. There was a tale of how a British boat in a yachting race limped into Sydney Harbour to be met with waves of derision from the shore about how the British couldn't properly build a boat to be met with the response from the captain, that at least we properly built that ones that shipped you lot here One more thing about the above, You can't seem to grasp the people are people, and there are below average people among the many good. What 2000 Olympic event are you specifically referring to? Hard to believe that tens of thousands of people lined the shores of Sydney Harbour specifically booing British boats. Of course, there may have been a small group of idiots to ruin it for the masses, but if the British captain really said that, then I think that in itself is pretty poor form. The media can turn a few idiots in the crowd into something bigger than it really is, just like this probably was... London, too is not immune. http://www.guardian....criticises-fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul92 Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Our friendly rivalry at its finest ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 One more thing about the above, You can't seem to grasp the people are people, and there are below average people among the many good. What 2000 Olympic event are you specifically referring to? Hard to believe that tens of thousands of people lined the shores of Sydney Harbour specifically booing British boats. Of course, there may have been a small group of idiots to ruin it for the masses, but if the British captain really said that, then I think that in itself is pretty poor form. The media can turn a few idiots in the crowd into something bigger than it really is, just like this probably was... London, too is not immune. http://www.guardian....criticises-fans You are putting forward the complaint of a player who was banned for 8 games last season for racially abusing another player who was black as an example of British fans being idiots? British fans boo drug cheats too and I don't recall saying the harbour incident occured during 2000. I think it was in one of the ocean races which periodically occur but why is it bad form? Happy to dish it out, sulk when you get it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympikfan Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 2020 Tokyo 2022 Munich 2024 ? 2026 Quebec City 2028 Africa? 2030 ? 2032 South America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markun Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I would love Amsterdam to get the summer games. I think they could be similar in atmosphere to London. It's been great to see so many orange clad Netherlands supporters in London, they seem like one of the biggest groups but perhaps it is because they stick out so much, you can't miss them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luffy Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I just realized that should Istanbul loose it, would be the first time since Barcelona we get a winning bid who is niether out of the commonwealth/ english speaking countries or New frontiers combo to win. I don't count Athens for obvious reasons, we all know it's a special city for the IOC & the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 2020 - Istanbul 2022 - Munich 2024 - Durban 2026 - Almaty 2028 - Paris 2030 - Habin 2032 - Toronto 2036 - Tokyo 2038 - Queenstown 2040 - New York 2042 - Chamonix 2044 - Berlin 2046 - Oslo 2052 - Shanghai This is my wish/predict right now they day after the 2012 closing. Covering my projected lifespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 2020 - Istanbul 2022 - Munich 2024 - Durban 2026 - Almaty 2028 - Paris 2030 - Habin 2032 - Toronto 2036 - Tokyo 2038 - Queenstown 2040 - New York 2042 - Chamonix 2044 - Berlin 2046 - Oslo 2052 - Shanghai This is my wish/predict right now they day after the 2012 closing. Covering my projected lifespan. No Auckland or Brisbane? How dare you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 No Auckland or Brisbane? How dare you At this point in time, OFD, at this point in time...Brissy would get 2036 or '40 if they went for it...Looking at the superb effort London put on, I'm finding that a minimum population of 6million can support a bid. NZ only has 4.5mil. But a winter games in Queenstown/Christchurch is do-able in the time above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul92 Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Future summer games. 2020: Tokyo 2024: New York City 2028: Paris 2032: Durban 2036: Shanghai 2040: Rome - Cancelled due to World War 3 2044: Cancelled due to World War 3 2048: Guangzhou 2052: Shantou 2056: Tianjin 2060: Nanjing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querque Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 2020: Tokyo Turkey will get the Euro then. 2022: Oslo It's Europe's turn. I guess that Munich won't bid due to elections (in Germany, Bavaria and those of the IOC president). I think Oslo will have a stronger bid than St. Moritz, Barcelona and whoever will bid. 2024: New York City I think 2024 will be in the US, 28 years after Atlanta, 22 after SLC. Hard to predict which city the USOC choose but I'd love to see the games in New York. 2026: Munich If the US gets 2024 there out of the race for 2026. So that could get a Europe-Asia battle. 2028: Durban or Cape Town 2030: China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldstandard Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Here are my predictions for 2020 thru 2030: 2020 Summer Olympic Games Will win: Tokyo Should win: Istanbul 2022 Winter Olympic Games Will win: Oslo Should win: Oslo 2024 Summer Olympic Games Will win: Paris (this is just a guess) Should win: USA!!! (either Chicago or NYC) 2026 Winter Olympic Games Will win: TETT (too early to tell) Should win: Almaty 2028 Summer Olympic Games Will win: TETT Should win: Africa 2030 Winter Olympic Games Will win: TETT Should win: Munich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have no idea why you people all love Almaty so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have no idea why you people all love Almaty so much Must... resist..... <-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have no idea why you people all love Almaty so much I kinda liked them too. Seemed very sincere. Helped me catch their vision. Liked their logo. Kazakhstan did well in London. Disappointed they didn't make the shortlist. They captured my imagination. I'd like to see more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querque Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Last winter I watched a nordic combined competition on tv because I wanted to see what Almaty is like and I was not impressed. All in all there were not more than 50 spectators and everything looked very amateurish... I just looked up some statements and the athletes weren't impressed either. Seemingly the cross-country ski run was terrible because there were lots of stones in it and they criticized the bad air conditions and the smog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 2020: Tokyo 2022: Munich 2024: Durban (if South Africa bids, if not then I predict Paris wins 2024 2026: Oslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have no idea why you people all love Almaty so much Thank u! Me neither! Must... resist..... <-- Please enlighten. What R u 'resisting'. It's not like an Almaty is a PyeongChang, Sochi or a Harbin. I don't really understand the immense love affair with them. I can maybe C an interest, like a Sofia or Zakopane, but podium attention on these boards with them just boggles the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markun Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I think the interest in Almaty is because it represents one of the few viable new frontiers in winter sports outside of the usual Europe - North America - NE Asia circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Why Almaty? Well in the 2014 bidding process it came 4th with a compact bid. Of course there would need to be an upgrade with facilities but if we are looking at 2026/2030 then there is no reason why this might not occur. If 2022 goes to Europe and 2026 back to North America if they bid - but if not then its Asia and a compact bid in Almaty v a money funded Chinese bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldstandard Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Why Almaty? Well in the 2014 bidding process it came 4th with a compact bid. Of course there would need to be an upgrade with facilities but if we are looking at 2026/2030 then there is no reason why this might not occur. If 2022 goes to Europe and 2026 back to North America if they bid - but if not then its Asia and a compact bid in Almaty v a money funded Chinese bid I chose Almaty for 2026 for these reasons: Asia has not hosted the Winter Games since 1998 in Nagano; No country in Asia outside of Japan or South Korea has ever hosted or will host the Winter Games; Since the USA is focusing on a 2024 bid, Canada has to submit a bid if North America wants to bid; and I already believe that Oslo has the best chance of getting 2022, meaning that Munich will have to wait until 2030 to bid again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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