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It would be funny if Brazil and Canada finishes tied... 17 medals, lots of bronzes...

We will have not much to discuss til Toronto 2015!!!

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lol! 2015 swimming looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Everyone will have their B teams in all aquatic sports there.

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It is a home games for Canada, our best will be there from top to bottom. And since the federations and PASO want the Pan Ams (as well as the All-African and Asiad) to serve as greater sources of Olympic qualification the teams will probably be much more accomplished.

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When the AP predicted 25 gold medals for Britain before the Games, I was sceptical whether the expectations were too high. Now, with still three days of competition to go and 64 gold medals still to be won, Britain has already reached 25 gold medals. Unbelievable! Their team doesn't seem to break under the pressure, it rather seems to encourage them further. I think that with that base, Britain will still be a very strong contender at the Rio Games. But as Australia's mediocre showing this time shows: The boost given to a host nation can fizzle out after a few years.

The thing is, maybe except for China (whose people are driven to obsession with medals), coming in among the top 5 for the host nation is a unique Olympic phenomenon. Then after the next Games, the 'home court' advantage magic has worn off and (unless GB really, really sticks to its target programs) and the 'shining' host country medals then slip back into its normal placement over the next few Games. Note Korea, Spain, Italy, Oz, Greece, even Norway slid in Vancouver, amongst recent hosts.

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It is a home games for Canada, our best will be there from top to bottom. And since the federations and PASO want the Pan Ams (as well as the All-African and Asiad) to serve as greater sources of Olympic qualification the teams will probably be much more accomplished.

The world Aquatics Championships are scheduled for July 19 - August 2 in Kazan Russia.

Swimming goes from July 11-17 in Toronto. Swimming starts on the 27th in Kazan that is a short time frame.

Water Polo and Syncrho swimming will not be an Olympic qualification event so the best teams will compete in Kazan not Toronto.

Water Polo in Toronto is from July 12 - 24. In Kazan it is 20 - 1 August. Conflict. Syncrho in Toronto is 22-25 in Kazan it is 20-26.

Diving in Toronto is 18-21 and in Kazan it is 19-27.

There is direct conflict everywhere except swimming by 10 days. But who will compete in both events that are so close to each other?

Brazil always send the Team A... Gosh

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Not in Aquatic sports in 2015. Maybe athletics.

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Brazil sends the team A and still fail...

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By the way, first time ever, a Brazilian will fight for gold!!!

Amazing fight 16x9 over a British guy!!!

Go Brazil, looking for 3rd gold!

^^In Boxe

And another Brazilian (indeed the brother of this finalist) will fight another semifinal tonight!!!

Brazil already got 15 medals, reaching the record made in Beijing!

As always, the last days of Olympic Games are thrilling for us!

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The thing is, maybe except for China (whose people are driven to obsession with medals), coming in among the top 5 for the host nation is a unique Olympic phenomenon. Then after the next Games, the 'home court' advantage magic has worn off and (unless GB really, really sticks to its target programs) and the 'shining' host country medals then slip back into its normal placement over the next few Games. Note Korea, Spain, Italy, Oz, Greece, even Norway slid in Vancouver, amongst recent hosts.

Don't forget that GB finished 4th in the medal table at Beijing so it's not just a freakish home-games phenomenon!

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But Britain cannot maintain this. Not for their population. Japan will start to come on strong throughout this decade leading up to Tokyo 2020 and if Paris or Berlin or Rome win 2024 you will start to see huge investments from the French and Germans.

Speaking of Britain, Sarah Stephanson was upset in her first round bout.

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The thing is, maybe except for China (whose people are driven to obsession with medals), coming in among the top 5 for the host nation is a unique Olympic phenomenon. Then after the next Games, the 'home court' advantage magic has worn off and (unless GB really, really sticks to its target programs) and the 'shining' host country medals then slip back into its normal placement over the next few Games. Note Korea, Spain, Italy, Oz, Greece, even Norway slid in Vancouver, amongst recent hosts.

But Britain cannot maintain this. Not for their population. Japan will start to come on strong throughout this decade leading up to Tokyo 2020 and if Paris or Berlin or Rome win 2024 you will start to see huge investments from the French and Germans.

Britain can maintain similar results in future; maybe not third, but we'll remain there or there abouts. It's not a flash in the pan at our home Games or the result of some "programme" put in place after we won the bid in 2005, but rather the culmination of 15 years of lottery funding post-Atlanta. And that's not going to stop. But, yes, I expect a closer fight in the future as other countries decide they also want to fund their athletes to the same level.

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A lot of things really peaked for GB this time.

Actually a number of things didn't - yes our road cyclists peaked but a number of our athletes who were in medal winning form were injured and there were also some controversial selection decisions in both the women's 800m and in the Takewondo.

Whilst there have been some pleasant surprises for the minor medals, not many for the gold have occured as the competitors have been there or there abouts in all the meets, regattas etc for the last couple of years

Britain can maintain this - it's not a flash in the pan at our home Games or the result of some "programme" put in place after we won the bid, but rather the culmination of 15 years of lottery funding post-Atlanta. But I expect a closer fight in the future as other countries decide they also want to fund their athletes to the same level.

Exactly - decisions like have the cyclists use 'round' wheels for example LOL

Quite agree about the lottery funding, as clearly it is now bringing real results

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Japan will start to come on strong throughout this decade leading up to Tokyo 2020

Not sure about this at all. I lived in Japan for 3 years and the main problem isn't funding but the regimented nature of sports clubs. It is telling that the swimming and women's wrestling are areas where the old boys clubs don't stifle success with rigid adherence to hierarchy. That's also a reason why Japanese women outperform men internationally - they don't have to contend with established structures.

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Britain has some once in a general athletes right now though. Do you think there will be another Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and Victoria Pendleton right away? Has there been a new Redgrave and Pinsent or Holmes? Will there be someone to replace Mo Farah? Look at China, they still maintain the same level of funding, but they fell back. Britain will fall back. Britain is not large enough to continue to turn out generational athletes. Britain will not win 9 medals in rowing in Rio. Britain will not dominate track cycling like they did over the last two games because athletes are retiring and they cannot replicate someone like a Hoy.

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Do you think there will be another Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and Victoria Pendleton right away? They cannot replicate someone like a Hoy.

Erm, Hoy wasn't even picked in his favoured event for theses Games, Jason Kenny was chosen ahead of him, and look at the result! Trott is looking like a gold-machine just as Pendleton is retiring and at only 20 years old she's got a couple of Games at least in her after 2012. We don't have a new Regrave as such but we keep winning rowing medals nonetheless, and Mo Farah came out of nowhere, there's no reason why another athlete can't do the same in a different track discipline.

Where are France, Germany and Japan going to make up the deficit on Britain in four years? They need to churn out "generational athletes" too if they're to do so. Are they? Do they have the fundng models in place to do so, a better stream of upcoming athletes than the UK does? I'm not sure.

Britain might fall back a bit but I don't see the momentum slipping too much.

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Britain has some once in a general athletes right now though. Do you think there will be another Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and Victoria Pendleton right away? Has there been a new Redgrave and Pinsent or Holmes? Will there be someone to replace Mo Farah? Look at China, they still maintain the same level of funding, but they fell back. Britain will fall back. Britain is not large enough to continue to turn out generational athletes. Britain will not win 9 medals in rowing in Rio. Britain will not dominate track cycling like they did over the last two games because athletes are retiring and they cannot replicate someone like a Hoy.

But all countries have the same generational issues, don't they? If the funding is maintained and the right coaching and motivational techniques are kept in place, why shouldn't there be up-and-coming champions to replace the old guard in the now well-established disciplines of track cycling, rowing, etc?

It may be unrealistic to expect GB to land the same number of medals at Rio but that doesn't necessarily mean they are suddenly going to revert to Atlanta levels of performance in 4 years time. Success often feeds success as London fed off Beijing. Hopefully Rio will feed off London in the same way.

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Britain has some once in a general athletes right now though. Do you think there will be another Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and Victoria Pendleton right away? Has there been a new Redgrave and Pinsent or Holmes? Will there be someone to replace Mo Farah? Look at China, they still maintain the same level of funding, but they fell back. Britain will fall back. Britain is not large enough to continue to turn out generational athletes. Britain will not win 9 medals in rowing in Rio. Britain will not dominate track cycling like they did over the last two games because athletes are retiring and they cannot replicate someone like a Hoy.

Bradley Wiggins > Chris Froome

Chris Hoy > Jason Kenny

Victoria Pendleton > Laura Trott

and you should see the young cyclists who didn't make the team

Redgrave and Pinsent have been replaced as the continued success of our rowing team has shown but more than that I think we are now developing the women, as we've had 3 golds in this regatta having never had female success before. Every regatta we will allegedly fall back

There were a number of female runners who could have been selected but weren't and if only one or two stepped up, we'd be there. We'd actually have more runners in the 1500m final if not for inexperience. We've never had much success at Mo Farah's distance but we've also got a new group of 800m/1500m runners coming through.

All of this is because of ongoing lottery funding, which is not going to stop

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Britain has some once in a general athletes right now though. Do you think there will be another Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and Victoria Pendleton right away? Has there been a new Redgrave and Pinsent or Holmes? Will there be someone to replace Mo Farah? Look at China, they still maintain the same level of funding, but they fell back. Britain will fall back. Britain is not large enough to continue to turn out generational athletes. Britain will not win 9 medals in rowing in Rio. Britain will not dominate track cycling like they did over the last two games because athletes are retiring and they cannot replicate someone like a Hoy.

Chris Hoy > Jason Kenny

Vicky Pendleton > Laura Trott

Brad Wiggins > Chris Froome

And we've a load of youngsters coming through

We've always been strong at rowing but maybe not replicated the big names of Redgrave and Pinsent. However our women are now women - 3 golds have never won any before.

As for athletics, Mo is a one off as we've never really had long distance runners, but we've got a number of 800m/1500m of both genders for whom 2012 has come too soon or for whatever reason were not selected but will be there for 2016 if not more.

Think of our medalists and be under no illusion that for every one there are 2 or 3 world contenders at junior or world youth level coming through as a result of National Lottery Funding.

And because of this overall success the public are actually calling for greater investment.

We've not overachieved - for many years we underachieved but are now getting back to our correct level.

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Spain has already secured 15 medals and we might win some more in canoeing, handball and athletics, so we'll probably end up with a similar number to what we won in Beijing, Athens and Atlanta. However, we need at least one more gold to be in the top 20 in the medal table. Go Spain!

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