Olympic Fan Darcy Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I do wonder how France got it so right and Germany and Britain (and Australia) got it so wrong. I think we are beginning to see the start of China's dominance. They are starting to spread out in the other areas of the olympics and i think swimming is a very main target for them. Ye Shiwen and Sun Yang excellent athletes at these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted August 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Phelps honoured Phelps was honored with a special individual ceremony after concluding his record-breaking career Saturday as the most decorated Olympian. FINA president Julio Maglione presented Phelps with a silver trophy to recognize his achievements. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroKinesis Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 We'll see shortly if NBC decides to show that little ceremony at all, or if Costas just meekly mentions it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Today was bitter sweet. Congrats Phelps. Thanks for inspiring others, and I hope we stay on top for many years to come. I did feel kind of sad for the Aussie swimmers these Games. Really, a disappointment to the folks down under. We'll see shortly if NBC decides to show that little ceremony at all, or if Costas just meekly mentions it. I did not see any mention of it at all. Maybe I missed it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Even though the swimming events in the pool are done, there are still two more races left in the Olympic calendar. It takes a break until August 9 (Thursday). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 This is the first time that Germany hasn't won any medal in swimming since 80 years - I think Germany has to think about how its sport promotion - the overall German performance in London is not as I had expected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted August 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 As controversy swirls over alleged illegal dolphin kicks, FINA considers underwater video use Swimming officials are considering the introduction of underwater video for judging following the controversy over an alleged illegal "dolphin" kick by South Africa's Cameron van der Burgh in his Olympic 100-metre breaststroke gold medal win last week. Olympic rules allow one dolphin kick at the start of a 100-metre breaststroke race. In a dolphin kick, the swimmer's body moves like a wave in the water, resembling the movement of a dolphin. The intensity of the wave created propels the swimmers forward faster underwater than if they were on the surface of the water. Underwater footage of van der Burgh's start revealed him doing more than the one - some reports said he did three - dolphin kicks. He won in a world record of 48.46 seconds. Van der Burgh admitted he did the extra kicks but said he was forced to because the rule was not policed properly and illegal kicking had become common. As the fastest qualifier for the Olympic final, van der Burgh swam in lane four, which is lined with numerous television and still cameras that clearly documented the infraction. But the cameras are for TV use only, and the judges cannot look at the images. "Judges can only judge what they see," Cornel Marculescu, the executive director of swimming governing body Fina, told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "They cannot judge what they don't see." Illegal dolphin kicks are common in breaststroke events. At the 2004 Athens Games, American backstroker Aaron Peirsol accused Japanese winner Kosuke Kitajima of using a dolphin kick at the start of his race after watching teammate and world record-holder Brendan Hansen finish second. This time, Hansen took bronze behind Van der Burgh and Christian Sprenger of Australia. "If you're not doing it, you're falling behind," van der Burgh told the Sydney Morning Herald. "It's not obviously - shall we say - the moral thing to do, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my personal performance and four years of hard work for someone that is willing to do it and get away with it." Fina wanted to install underwater video use at its last two world championships in Rome (2009) and Shanghai (2011), but host broadcasters protested because of the cost. It would require three cameras in each of the eight lanes. But after a new controversy it may not be an option anymore. Fina discussed the possibilities of underwater video with coaches at a meeting on Sunday to wrap up the pool competition. "This is something to be looked at by the technical swimming committee," Marculescu said, adding that a decision on video use could come at the next Fina congress at the 2013 world championships in Barcelona. In the meantime, the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee on Tuesday issued a statement "surrounding the media interest" in van der Burgh's admission. South Africa delegation leader Patience Shikwambana said she had spoken with the manager of the aquatic squad, Shaun Adriaanse, who is also Swimming SA's chief executive officer. "It's clear and simple," Shikwambana said. "There is really no point in commenting on media reports. Suffice to say we haven't been informed by Fina of anything untoward and neither have we heard anything from the International Olympic Committee." Meanwhile, there is also discussion in swimming circles of eliminating the women's 800-metre freestyle race and replacing it with a 1 500 free - the longest race in the pool. That would make the men's and women's programmes the same. At world championships, both men and women race the 800 and 1 500, and women have shown how far they can swim by competing in marathon races like the 10-kilometre event, which was introduced to the Olympic program four years ago. "The women can do the 1 500," Marculescu said. "Why not?" American 15-year-old Katie Ledecky won the 800 free in London ahead of Spain's Mireia Belmonte Garcia and defending champion Rebecca Adlington of Britain. AP http://www.washingto...2d06_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 After a four-day break, the swimming events continue. For today (August 9), Olympic medals will be handed out in the women's 10km marathon event. Link: http://www.london2012.com/swimming/schedule-and-results/day=9-august/all-day.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingbrogues Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 They've netted the swans so they don't interfere with the swimming on the Serpentine - poor things - at least they didn't shoot or gas them I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Eva Risztov of Hungary won the gold medal in the Olympic women's swimming marathon, Anderson fron USA 2nd and Grimaldi of Italy 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Final medal results for the women's 10km marathon event on August 9. - GOLD: Eva Risztov (Hungary) - SILVER: Haley Anderson (United States) - BRONZE: Martina Grimaldi (Italy) Link: http://www.london2012.com/swimming/event/women-marathon-10km/phase=sww119100/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 The last swimming event for London 2012 is in the men's 10km marathon on August 10. Link: http://www.london2012.com/swimming/schedule-and-results/day=10-august/all-day.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroKinesis Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Then why aren't you leading on the medal table? That post was really arrogant. You are 4 golds behind China. If your judging on that then China is "the greatest country on earth". You were saying? You smuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 You were saying? You smuck. Was still a very arrogant post to say that America is the great country on earth Tunisia gold Germany silver Canada bronze In final swimming event! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gotosy Posted August 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Tunisia's mellouli wins the men's open water race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted August 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Mellouli to quit after 'hell' of Olympic gold swim Mellouli thought he had reached the peak of his career when he upset Australia's Grant Hackett to win the 1,500 metres freestyle gold medal at the 2008 Beijing Games. However, the 28-year-old surprised himself by winning the 10 kilometre marathon on Friday to become the first swimmer to win Olympic medals in the pool and open water, having won bronze in the pool earlier these Games. Exhausted after churning through the Serpentine lake in Hyde Park for nearly two hours, he thumped his chest with pride then said he was considering going out on top. "After winning this gold I will definitely think about retiring because I don't think I can top this achievement," he said. "I can't do any better than this. It might be a good time to leave the sport with this incredible gold medal." ... http://asia.eurospor...ry-london.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Final medal results for the men's 10km marathon: - GOLD: Oussama Mellouli (Tunisia) - SILVER: Thomas Lurz (Germany) - BRONZE: Richard Weinberger (Canada) Link: http://www.london2012.com/swimming/event/men-marathon-10km/phase=swm119100/index.html That is it for the swimming events at London 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekkie Boy Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 As controversy swirls over alleged illegal dolphin kicks, FINA considers underwater video use Swimming officials are considering the introduction of underwater video for judging following the controversy over an alleged illegal "dolphin" kick by South Africa's Cameron van der Burgh in his Olympic 100-metre breaststroke gold medal win last week. Olympic rules allow one dolphin kick at the start of a 100-metre breaststroke race. In a dolphin kick, the swimmer's body moves like a wave in the water, resembling the movement of a dolphin. The intensity of the wave created propels the swimmers forward faster underwater than if they were on the surface of the water. Underwater footage of van der Burgh's start revealed him doing more than the one - some reports said he did three - dolphin kicks. He won in a world record of 48.46 seconds. Van der Burgh admitted he did the extra kicks but said he was forced to because the rule was not policed properly and illegal kicking had become common. As the fastest qualifier for the Olympic final, van der Burgh swam in lane four, which is lined with numerous television and still cameras that clearly documented the infraction. But the cameras are for TV use only, and the judges cannot look at the images. "Judges can only judge what they see," Cornel Marculescu, the executive director of swimming governing body Fina, told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "They cannot judge what they don't see." Illegal dolphin kicks are common in breaststroke events. At the 2004 Athens Games, American backstroker Aaron Peirsol accused Japanese winner Kosuke Kitajima of using a dolphin kick at the start of his race after watching teammate and world record-holder Brendan Hansen finish second. This time, Hansen took bronze behind Van der Burgh and Christian Sprenger of Australia. "If you're not doing it, you're falling behind," van der Burgh told the Sydney Morning Herald. "It's not obviously - shall we say - the moral thing to do, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my personal performance and four years of hard work for someone that is willing to do it and get away with it." Fina wanted to install underwater video use at its last two world championships in Rome (2009) and Shanghai (2011), but host broadcasters protested because of the cost. It would require three cameras in each of the eight lanes. But after a new controversy it may not be an option anymore. Fina discussed the possibilities of underwater video with coaches at a meeting on Sunday to wrap up the pool competition. "This is something to be looked at by the technical swimming committee," Marculescu said, adding that a decision on video use could come at the next Fina congress at the 2013 world championships in Barcelona. In the meantime, the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee on Tuesday issued a statement "surrounding the media interest" in van der Burgh's admission. South Africa delegation leader Patience Shikwambana said she had spoken with the manager of the aquatic squad, Shaun Adriaanse, who is also Swimming SA's chief executive officer. "It's clear and simple," Shikwambana said. "There is really no point in commenting on media reports. Suffice to say we haven't been informed by Fina of anything untoward and neither have we heard anything from the International Olympic Committee." The last thing viewers and athletes themselves want is races determined by TV judges. People want to see the person who finishes first declared the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 The last thing viewers and athletes themselves want is races determined by TV judges. People want to see the person who finishes first declared the winner. Cheaters are cheaters. Viewers don't want to see cheaters win. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekkie Boy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 They don't want to see jobsworths deciding who wins either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 You're saying cheating is OK in this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 They don't want to see jobsworths deciding who wins either. So judges on the pool deck should just guesstimate who broke the rules? The point of having TV judges is to act as a deterrent, not to actually increase the amount of disqualifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 So judges on the pool deck should just guesstimate who broke the rules? The point of having TV judges is to act as a deterrent, not to actually increase the amount of disqualifications. Guesstimate what? There is a solid rule in place regarding strokes. Don't break the rule, and there aren't problems. The rule is there to be enforced, like it or not, and as much as it may suck (like Canada in the relays) it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekkie Boy Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 So judges on the pool deck should just guesstimate who broke the rules? The point of having TV judges is to act as a deterrent, not to actually increase the amount of disqualifications. It has to be in the interest of the athletes and spectators - and simply use common sense. In most cases (outside drugs) if something can't be seen by the naked eye in real time it's generally a pretty petty technical rule - and it robs the fans and the athletes of a fair race with a fair result if the race is decided after the conclusion by a TV official, as we've seen in cycling where most of the infringements in the World Champs and Olympics were more about minor technicalities than anyone having giving themselves a huge advantage. Where an outcome has to be looked over following the conclusion of a race the rule has to be very clear for the fans to appreciate the drama a disqualification will add to it, and for those who gain advantage over another teams disqualification to feel like they really are worthy of their medal, and not there due to a technicality. I suspect most athletes would take a silver medal they won over a gold medal won due to the disqualfication of another athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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