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You could have fun with venues in Dallas. Could you put the ceremonies and football final in JerryWorld, then renovate the Cotton Bowl to hold Athletics?

The Cotton Bown is an amazing asset - an existing 90,000+ stadium with no real purpose. Ripe for renovation. Plus you've got all that space near the Fair Grounds... rail transportation linking it to downtown, etc.

Dallas has other problems, but it has stadiums and space.... very nice to have.

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All we're saying is to take this story with a grain of salt

oh my god. has anyone else noticed how every USA 2024 thread is just pages and pages of people repeating this cliche over and over.

a few others get a good workout as well:

  • nothing is set in stone
  • this isn't the end all be all
  • waiting for the dust to settle
  • let's not count our chickens
  • don't beat a dead horse
  • it's not a slam dunk
  • [insert city] is so ugly, they'd have to sneak up on a glass of water to get a drink

etc

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You could have fun with venues in Dallas. Could you put the ceremonies and football final in JerryWorld, then renovate the Cotton Bowl to hold Athletics?

The Cotton Bown is an amazing asset - an existing 90,000+ stadium with no real purpose. Ripe for renovation. Plus you've got all that space near the Fair Grounds... rail transportation linking it to downtown, etc.

Dallas has other problems, but it has stadiums and space.... very nice to have.

Putting Track and Field in the Cotton Bowl poses a significant problem. The problem is the annual Texas vs. Oklahoma College Football Game. The Summer Olympics are in August (usually) and the Texas vs. Oklahoma game is in October at the Cotton Bowl. Could they move the game to Cowboys Stadium? Yes, but both teams signed an extension to play in the Cotton Bowl for the forseeable future. Besides, they would have already moved to Jerryworld if they had no plans on staying the Cotton Bowl. Converting the stadium from a track stadium back to a football stadium in a span of 6 to 8 weeks I don't think is enough time to make the conversion back. Besides, there's also Grambling State vs. Prairie View A&M in September at the Cotton Bowl. Also the Cotton Bowl I think would have to be used for football prelims.

A stadium would have to be built from scratch in Dallas to suit track and field that will probably be converted to a high school football stadium after the games end.

As for swimming? Jerry Jones has said that his stadium could accommodate an Olympic sized pool.

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I'd just like to say that USA Today, the Washington Post and ESPN among others have all picked up the AP story mentioning NYC, Dallas and Chicago as likely contenders.

Quaker, what earth-shaking significance have I ascribed to this article?

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New York 2024 sounds like a great idea, something I would personally support if ____ did not bid.

Brisbane? Doha? Abuja? Philadelphia?

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I'd just like to say that USA Today, the Washington Post and ESPN among others have all picked up the AP story mentioning NYC, Dallas and Chicago as likely contenders.

Quaker, what earth-shaking significance have I ascribed to this article?

I'm not going to get into another argument over semantics here because it's just going to turn into another pissing match between us and I don't think either of us want that. What I will point out though is that your first post in this thread was "Can we please all officially acknowledge that there is Alpha-city buzz for 2024?" And then when someone posts that he doesn't think there is buzz over in NYC (in somewhat of a tongue-in-cheek response, but given who it was, is it really that surprising), your response is "Seriously. Why? Are you trying to look smart and superior? So negative." For someone who later went on to say "You wouldn't try that one on for size if you met me in person" in response to another post, is that what you would say to someone in person? Again, I don't want to get into this though any more than you do. krow is right that so many of these threads are nothing but cliched nonsense, not that I should talk since I'm 1 of the offenders. Even still, let's not make this all about what I think about what you think about what I think about the article because we're going to end up right where we started and it's all just going to be stupid.

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Quaker, are you saying there is no Alpha city buzz for 2024?

When I asked Zeke about trying to look "smart and superior" it was because he likened NYC's prospects to Tulsa. You really want to take me to task for that.

As for alpha, calling me a lady -- he wouldn't say that if he met me in person.

I don't see anything to discuss here. Just addressing the quotes you posted, Quaker.

It also mentions Bozeman, MT.

Interesting thing for the USOC to put on their website, huh?

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Quaker, are you saying there is no Alpha city buzz for 2024?

That's pretty much what I'm saying. Any buzz we're hearing lately is more a reaction to the USOC's announcement about 2024 and 2026 and less an indication that any or all of these cities mentioned are putting any consideration into a bid. Right now, on July 10th, 2012.. this article indicates to me that there is little to no buzz coming out of New York. GBMod brought up a great point, that maybe this article leads to something and/or inspires someone to starting putting together the pieces for a bid. But until we hear rumblings of that happening (and I'm sure we will, probably from the same reporter), I am saying there is no Alpha city buzz for 2024 yet. Key word there.. yet

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The UN is undergoing a multi-billion dollar renovation, so that can't happen.

Icahn Stadium is an interesting option, but I have no clue how that would work logistically.

What about the Mitchell Athletic Complex on Long Island? Could that be a possibile site?

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What about the Mitchell Athletic Complex on Long Island? Could that be a possibile site?

That's well outside the city limits of NYC, so certainly not as the main stadium. A couple of years ago, Nassau County voters shot down a referendum to fund a replacement for the Nassau Coliseum which is next door to the Mitchell site. Obviously an Olympics would breathe life into any sports-related projects there, but it's a ways from the center of Manhattan and not easily reachable via public transportation. So it would take a lot to make that location work for an Olympics, let alone as anything more than a single outlier venue.

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Putting Track and Field in the Cotton Bowl poses a significant problem. The problem is the annual Texas vs. Oklahoma College Football Game. The Summer Olympics are in August (usually) and the Texas vs. Oklahoma game is in October at the Cotton Bowl. Could they move the game to Cowboys Stadium? Yes, but both teams signed an extension to play in the Cotton Bowl for the forseeable future. Besides, they would have already moved to Jerryworld if they had no plans on staying the Cotton Bowl. Converting the stadium from a track stadium back to a football stadium in a span of 6 to 8 weeks I don't think is enough time to make the conversion back. Besides, there's also Grambling State vs. Prairie View A&M in September at the Cotton Bowl. Also the Cotton Bowl I think would have to be used for football prelims.

A stadium would have to be built from scratch in Dallas to suit track and field that will probably be converted to a high school football stadium after the games end.

At the risk of sidetracking a New York thread for Dallas..

I don't get that logic. Why does it make more sense to build a brand new stadium (that would be downsized significantly after the games) than to use an existing stadium which only hosts a few games a year and has no primary tenant? Part of the reason the Red River Rivalry is still at the Cotton Bowl is because it's tied to the Texas State Fair. I think it's worth the inconvenience to move that game (and the other games at the Cotton Bowl) if that's a viable plan for the Cotton Bowl and keep it as a viable sports venue and make it even more iconic than it already is. Texas and Oklahoma could either play a year or 2 on campus sites (similar to what happened with the Georgia-Florida rivalry when they were rebuilding the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville) or Cowboys Stadium is certainly an option. I mean, most cities don't have 1 football stadium that size, let alone 2.

In terms of football prelims though, there are plenty of stadiums within the state of Texas more than suitable for an Olympics tournament within needing the Cotton Bowl.. Cowboys Stadium, Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth, Reliant Stadium and Rice Stadium in Houston, Alamodome in San Antonio, Memorial Stadium in Austin, Kyle Field in College Station. More than enough large venues to choose from.

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That's pretty much what I'm saying. Any buzz we're hearing lately is more a reaction to the USOC's announcement about 2024 and 2026 and less an indication that any or all of these cities mentioned are putting any consideration into a bid. Right now, on July 10th, 2012.. this article indicates to me that there is little to no buzz coming out of New York. GBMod brought up a great point, that maybe this article leads to something and/or inspires someone to starting putting together the pieces for a bid. But until we hear rumblings of that happening (and I'm sure we will, probably from the same reporter), I am saying there is no Alpha city buzz for 2024 yet. Key word there.. yet

No story would indicate little to no buzz coming out of NYC. A story in the New York Daily News suggests somebody's thinking about it -- unless you imagine the Associated Press fabricated the whole thing for some reason.

The Mod's point was that a story could be floated by those considering organizing a bid as a way of testing the waters of public opinion and appetite. He said nothing about using it as a tactic to "inspire someone else to put together pieces of a bid."

As for "no buzz" all the following links mention NYC amongst other Alpha-cities interested in 2024:

Starting with the USOC's own website:

http://www.teamusa.org/News/2012/July/03/USOC-no-for-2022-go-maybe-for-2024-or-2026.aspx

And a few more....

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-city-mentioned-potential-site-2024-2026-olympic-games-article-1.1109771

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/story/2012-07-03/NO-USA-bid-for-Winter-Games/56007046/1

http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/8127614/usoc-pass-2022-winter-games-bid-consider-2024-summer-2026-winter-olympics

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/usoc-to-pass-on-2022-olympics-bid-create-task-force-to-explore-24-and-26/2012/07/03/gJQAh1BnLW_story.html

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/sports/more_sports/olympics&id=8723747

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/US-Olympic-Committee-to-Pass-on-2022-Bid-161273905.html

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/07/09/nyc-back-on-map-for-olympic-games/

http://running.competitor.com/2012/07/news/nyc-olympic-bid-considered_55207

http://teamhandballnews.com/2012/07/a-2024-usa-olympics-what-it-could-mean-for-usa-team-handball/

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/03/3360354/usoc-to-pass-on-2022-bid-consider.html

That's the tip of the iceberg. I could keep posting links, but you get the idea. That's too many news outlets mentioning NYC as a possible 2024 contender to be dismissed as "NO BUZZ."

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You could keep posting links that R esstentially saying the same cut-&-paste thing? For what? To try N 'prove' something that's not really there?

NONE of those articles say anything different, or solid, from the one here on GB's. N some of them even mention Los Angeles (which you were quick to point out before, wasn't even mentioned in the GB one) & San Diego! Really?

N I still question those when so many of them talk about how Dallas was a "front-runner" had the USOC pursued a 2020 bid. On what grounds do they get that, way off in left-field, information.

I mean, really. Blogs could be drum to include the likes of Tulsa, Vegas & Minneapolis, too. That doesn't mean that we should all take them so seriously.

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No story would indicate little to no buzz coming out of NYC. A story in the New York Daily News suggests somebody's thinking about it -- unless you imagine the Associated Press fabricated the whole thing for some reason.

A story in the New York Daily News suggests that the Daily News reporter who wrote the story is thinking about it. Nowhere in the article does it imply that anyone that could actually influence a potential NYC bid had given it much thought. All of this seems very reactionary and less based in digging for information from what they've actually seen and heard. Mentioning Chicago and Dallas and New York as candidates, to me, doesn't mean all that much unless they give some reasoning behind it. The Daily News article gives me little indication that anything is going on other than him talking about it.

That's the tip of the iceberg. I could keep posting links, but you get the idea. That's too many news outlets mentioning NYC as a possible 2024 contender to be dismissed as "NO BUZZ."

That's a lot of news outlets repeating the same AP story and very few with an original story of their own. Heck, 1 of them specifically mentioned GamesBids. And again, you have to stop and think would the Daily News or any of these outlets be reporting anything if the USOC hadn't made this big pronouncement about 2024/2026. It's all reactionary We don't need to get into an argument over semantics over what you consider buzz versus what I consider buzz. To me, buzz is something actually happening with regard to consummating a bid, not news outlets throwing out cities they think may be involved with little to no reasoning behind it other than that they're big cities. If New York is going to be a contender for 2024, then tell us what is going on in NYC that gives you that impression. That they're not saying anything, it makes me think that nothing is happening yet in these cities. When that happens, I'll be happy to acknowledge buzz.

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Ok. So you think some writer just thought to himself, "NYC should bid for the Olympics! I'll invent a story saying its being considered!"

Of course all the stories say basically the same thing. The AP wire picked it up. What are you expecting? Venue plans? Bid leaders making speeches?

The USOC, Washington Post, ESPN, USA Today and plenty of others join the New York Daily News in reporting that New York, Chicago, Dallas (and in some stories San Francisco and LA) are seen as 2024 contenders.

Slice it anyway you like -- that's buzz. Guarantees-- no. Buzz-- yes.

Is it possible no one will bid for 2024? Sure. I just don't understand why you're trying so hard to convert me to your belief that the story is worthless and might as well never have been written because its the pure fiction of a news writer with nothing better to do.

You don't have to agree with me, but quit demanding I agree with you.

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If buzz means that there is at least one person talking about NYC 2024, and that multiple outsets have reported the same story about the one guy talking about it, then yes, there is buzz. Happy?

Let's take it a step further, We can say that, "A possible bid from New York City for the 2024 Olympic Games is one of the hottest topics of discussion on Gamebids.com, the premire source for information about Olympic host city bids." That sounds good doesn't it. More buzz.

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If buzz means that there is at least one person talking about NYC 2024, and that multiple outsets have reported the same story about the one guy talking about it, then yes, there is buzz. Happy?

Let's take it a step further, We can say that, "A possible bid from New York City for the 2024 Olympic Games is one of the hottest topics of discussion on Gamebids.com, the premire source for information about Olympic host city bids." That sounds good doesn't it. More buzz.

Because of course the Associated Press picks up stories written by rogue individuals with no credentials or support. And the USOC and Washington Post and ESPN and USA Today all carry one-off stories written by isolated crackpots too.

Sure you can find random bloggers who will talk about anything, but I wouldn't consider those sources to be random bloggers.

Fellas, bids have to start somewhere. A story that goes national reporting interest from multiple cities suggests that somebody somewhere is plotting -- whether or not their efforts come to fruition.

I don't understand why it is so important to you three (zeke, FYI and Quaker) to minimize this as much as you possibly can. It seems like you want the outlook to be as empty as possible.

I think you're all in the pay of Durban and Paris......

Not really, of course...

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you guys don't really get what 'buzz' is, do you?

buzz is people--other than you four-- talking and getting excited about something. the AP wire picks up buzz.

you are not free to redefine buzz to constrain it to credible sources speaking on record about something likely to happen. you will have to think up a new word to debate semantics.

there was buzz about jlo's pregnancy a year or so before she became pregnant. everyone was talking about it. it never happened, but there was buzz. people were buzzing. i remember the buzz.

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Of course all the stories say basically the same thing. The AP wire picked it up. What are you expecting? Venue plans? Bid leaders making speeches?

The USOC, Washington Post, ESPN, USA Today and plenty of others join the New York Daily News in reporting that New York, Chicago, Dallas (and in some stories San Francisco and LA) are seen as 2024 contenders.

Then Y go through the trouble of posting all those links if essentially all the stories in them R the same. By doing that does that somehow make you think that it gives the story more credible?

N okay, so those news outlets R "reporting" that those cities could be "contenders". But what R they basing this on? I want to know more than just picking names from outta a hat like these articles R evidently doing.

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Is it possible no one will bid for 2024? Sure. I just don't understand why you're trying so hard to convert me to your belief that the story is worthless and might as well never have been written because its the pure fiction of a news writer with nothing better to do.

You don't have to agree with me, but quit demanding I agree with you.

I know this was bascially meant for Quaker, but that's rather rich of you. Since that's essentially what you're trying to do with us, Trying so hard to "convert" us to your belief & "demanding" that we agree with you.

Call what it what you want, I guess. "Buzz, chatter", whatever. But until I C something more definitive from the cities mentioned in the these so-called newswires, like forming Exploratory Committees, like Reno, Denver & even SLC were doing for 2022, then I'm going to take them with a grain of salt.

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