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Just having a read over a bit if Greek mythology this morning, after seeing the terrible Sci-Fi horror Prometheus. Interestingly, it lead me into a possible concept for the Sochi ceremonies that could involve the lighting of the cauldron. I understand that it leads to a concept that could be very "Athens 2004", but it might form an important part linking the host region, the Russian Caucasus, to ancient Greece. It's also a nod to Ancient Greece, birthplace of the Olympics. I'm not sure there has ever really been a segment at the Winter Olympics that acknowledges ancient Olympia to this extent? I do see that this is Russia's Games and we want to see mostly Russian idea's and culture, but I think this could make a very interesting and compelling base for at least a part of the Ceremony, especially as Prometheus was punished near modern-day Sochi. Prometheus represents freedom, by giving people in darkness fire. He stood up to the autocratic Zeus - one could almost draw the connection with this myth and Russia's peoples immense change over the years. He was punished for what he his idealism and tricks and mythology tells us he was chained to a Rock near present day Sochi, and later set free.

I. How Fire Was Given to Men

In those old, old times, there lived two brothers who were not like other men, nor yet like those Mighty Ones who lived upon the mountain top. They were the sons of one of those Titans who had fought against Jupiter and been sent in chains to the strong prison-house of the Lower World.

The name of the elder of these brothers was Prometheus, or Forethought; for he was always thinking of the future and making things ready for what might happen to-morrow, or next week, or next year, or it may be in a hundred years to come. The younger was called Epimetheus, or Afterthought; for he was always so busy thinking of yesterday, or last year, or a hundred years ago, that he had no care at all for what might come to pass after a while.

For some cause Jupiter had not sent these brothers to prison with the rest of the Titans.

Prometheus did not care to live amid the clouds on the mountain top. He was too busy for that. While the Mighty Folk were spending their time in idleness, drinking nectar and eating ambrosia, he was intent upon plans for making the world wiser and better than it had ever been before.

He went out amongst men to live with them and help them; for his heart was filled with sadness when he found that they were no longer happy as they had been during the golden days when Saturn was king. Ah, how very poor and wretched they were! He found them living in caves and in holes of the earth, shivering with the cold because there was no fire, dying of starvation, hunted by wild beasts and by one another–the most miserable of all living creatures.

“If they only had fire,” said Prometheus to himself, “they could at least warm themselves and cook their food; and after a while they could learn to make tools and build themselves houses. Without fire, they are worse off than the beasts.”

Then he went boldly to Jupiter and begged him to give fire to men, that so they might have a little comfort through the long, dreary months of winter.

“Not a spark will I give,” said Jupiter. “No, indeed! Why, if men had fire they might become strong and wise like ourselves, and after a while they would drive us out of our kingdom. Let them shiver with cold, and let them live like the beasts. It is best for them to be poor and ignorant, that so we Mighty Ones may thrive and be happy.”

Prometheus made no answer; but he had set his heart on helping mankind, and he did not give up. He turned away, and left Jupiter and his mighty company forever.

As he was walking by the shore of the sea he found a reed, or, as some say, a tall stalk of fennel, growing; and when he had broken it off he saw that its hollow center was filled with a dry, soft pith which would burn slowly and keep on fire a long time. He took the long stalk in his hands, and started with it towards the dwelling of the sun in the far east.

“Mankind shall have fire in spite of the tyrant who sits on the mountain top,” he said.

He reached the place of the sun in the early morning just as the glowing, golden orb was rising from the earth and beginning his daily journey through the sky. He touched the end of the long reed to the flames, and the dry pith caught on fire and burned slowly. Then he turned and hastened back to his own land, carrying with him the precious spark hidden in the hollow center of the plant.

He called some of the shivering men from their caves and built a fire for them, and showed them how to warm themselves by it and how to build other fires from the coals. Soon there was a cheerful blaze in every rude home in the land, and men and women gathered round it and were warm and happy, and thankful to Prometheus for the wonderful gift which he had brought to them from the sun.

It was not long until they learned to cook their food and so to eat like men instead of like beasts. They began at once to leave off their wild and savage habits; and instead of lurking in the dark places of the world, they came out into the open air and the bright sunlight, and were glad because life had been given to them.

After that, Prometheus taught them, little by little, a thousand things. He showed them how to build houses of wood and stone, and how to tame sheep and cattle and make them useful, and how to plow and sow and reap, and how to protect themselves from the storms of winter and the beasts of the woods. Then he showed them how to dig in the earth for copper and iron, and how to melt the ore, and how to hammer it into shape and fashion from it the tools and weapons which they needed in peace and war; and when he saw how happy the world was becoming he cried out:

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Says the guy with 34,000 posts.

I think the Orbit Tower is going to be the caul.... oh, wait- Sorry, old habit

I'm not sure of that with regards the ceremony director. However, Russian prime minister Dimitry Medvedev supported an opinion given by an online fan that the Sochi ceremony should be overseen by di

greenandblue, in fact, your idea for the opening ceremonies was more or less the same when Sochi was bidding for the winter olympics back in 2007. I remember they planned to give a tribute to the story of Prometheus and how he gave the fire to the humans, because of the same reasons. Although many things can change (or changed already) since the bid process, so I can't tell if they are going to do this in the end.

Also, I would like if they add a bit of circassian culture onto the ceremony. After all, present day Sochi used to belong to the now extinct Circassia. Which also reminds me something. Last year there was a purposal of representing the legend of Sosruko, a mythical figure in the Nart Saga, who is the equivalent to Prometheus.since he also stole the fire from gods and gave it to humans.

More about the Nart Saga and Sosruko here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nart_saga and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosruko

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Green-and-blue, I kinda doubt it. I think they are going to use Russian legends and themes. Besides, the Greeks had nothing to do with the Winter edition of the Games; so Prometheus and all the Greek mythology stuff really don't connect.

What would be cool is if they could use a satellite to start the Cauldron fire!

Been there; already done. There was NO actual transatlantic flight of the flame for Montreal in 1976. Instead, the flame was transmitted by satellite from Athens to Ottawa. Here is how it is described in the Official Report:

Upon receiving the torch, Angela Simota salutes the crowd. She then presents the Olympic Flame to the sensor, which detects the ionized particles,

converting them into coded

impulses that are transmitted by satellite

to Ottawa, where they activate a

laser beam which instantly recreates

the Olympic Flame in its original shape.

Transmission of the Flame to Canadian Soil

Upon arrival in Athens, the Flame

was deposited in the ancient urn of the

Panathenean Stadium. The sequence

of trans-Atlantic transmission began

when a torch was lit at the urn and the

Flame relayed to a bowl equipped with

an electronic sensor.

The sensor detected the ionized

particles released by the Flame, and

these were transformed into a sequence

of coded impulses which were transmitted

to Ottawa by satellite. There they activated a laser beam that recreated

the Olympic Flame in its original form in

a fraction of a second. The laser beam

was made by a Québec company, one

of only two Canadian enterprises that

use it. The laser beam was reflected in a

parabolic mirror, similar to the one used

by the high priestess at Olympia, and

then ignited the fuel in the urn installed

on Parliament Hill.

http://www.la84found...76/1976v1p2.pdf

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What would be cool is if they could use a satellite to start the Cauldron fire!

I bet the Russian have some *very* cool toys up there.

I love the idea. But I'm sure there are some pooh-poohers out there who would have a problem with using military weapons in the opening ceremony.

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Green-and-blue, I kinda doubt it. I think they are going to use Russian legends and themes. Besides, the Greeks had nothing to do with the Winter edition of the Games; so Prometheus and all the Greek mythology stuff really don't connect.

Doesn't connect? Did you read my original post? Before it was Russian, the Sochi and Caucasus region were inhabited by the Abkhazian people, who's ancestors had strong links with ancient Greece. The Sochi region forms the setting of the Prometheus myth- he who stole fire from Zeus, ruler of the Olympians, and gave it to man so he would no longer by in darkness. If that doesn't connect, then I don't know what does! You have go to admit, even Vladimir Putin has, the myth could play a role in the Ceremonies - even the cauldron.

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Doesn't connect? Did you read my original post? Before it was Russian, the Sochi and Caucasus region were inhabited by the Abkhazian people, who's ancestors had strong links with ancient Greece. The Sochi region forms the setting of the Prometheus myth- he who stole fire from Zeus, ruler of the Olympians, and gave it to man so he would no longer by in darkness. If that doesn't connect, then I don't know what does! You have go to admit, even Vladimir Putin has, the myth could play a role in the Ceremonies - even the cauldron.

Yeah, I guess Vladimir could cast himself as Prometheus actually throttling the vulture. :lol:

Remember, this is outdoors in February, balmy though Sochi is.

HEADLINE a few days later: Russian leader dies of pneumonia after Opening Ceremony role!! :ph34r:

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I agree. Following the relative simplicity of London (which I personally loved), we might actually see a Winter Olympics ceremony overshadow that of a Summer Olympics ceremony in terms of grandeur (when directly comparing 2012 to 2014).

Russia is a new nation and has a lot to show the world. Given it might be some time before we see the Summer Olympics in either Moscow or St. Petersburg, they are going to treat 2014 as if it was Moscow 2012.

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Do we have any idea of Ceremonies Team, Director or producers?

I know that DAE is doing quite a bit of work in Russia atm especially with some of the multimedia companies doing work for sochi.

Could DAE be involved?

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I don't think Sochi will top Vancouver or London.

Famous last words.

Sochi 2014 will be THE Olympic Ceremony of the 2010's, in a similar way that Beijing was it for the 2000's. I'd be willing to bet Rio might even come close to the pomp and pageantry the Russians are planning.

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Russia is taking the torch into space. What they're planning for their opening God only knows!

Of course, it's a 40k capacity stadium so it may feel smaller just because of that. Maybe they'll use the whole park, especially given how open the stadium is.

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I said that cuz Turin's director is doing this one which is the worst one out of 2002-2012 IMO. Or do I have the wrong ceremony?

Who was the director?

IIRC that the executive producer was Ric Birch (or was at least pretty involved)

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I said that cuz Turin's director is doing this one which is the worst one out of 2002-2012 IMO. Or do I have the wrong ceremony?

I'm not sure of that with regards the ceremony director. However, Russian prime minister Dimitry

Medvedev supported an opinion given by an online fan that the Sochi ceremony should be overseen by director Nikita Mikhalkov, whose film Burnt by the Son won an Oscar. He mentioned this in an interview a few days ago. He also praised London's ceremony.

I do know that last year (I think) that Russia held a competition for ceremonial ideas and some of the ideas were brilliantly crazy -- I'm sure I read one about training a flock of birds to carry an Olympic flag or something. I think the ambition of Russia is already evident with regards the 2014 Olympics -- the Olympic park they have built is astonishing in scale. Further, even their handover ceremony in Vancouver was so elaborate as far as handover ceremonies go (I think it was the best one ever). Thus, I think Russia means business -- and it wants to wow the world.

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I don't think the Sochi OC has revealed their ceremonies producers and directors yet, but the Torino crew are doing the Rio ceremonies, in co-op with a Brazilian team.

I think Sochi is going to be mind blowing and will surpass Vancouver considerably.

I too wonder about DAE's involvement, they have been doing a fair bit of work in Russia lately so it usually they means they are trying to get a foot in to the market.

Sochi will probably approach their ceremonies much like Sydney did, it is their chance to do a tour d force of Russia, I can see it being a very impressive and grand event.

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I don't think the Sochi OC has revealed their ceremonies producers and directors yet, but the Torino crew are doing the Rio ceremonies, in co-op with a Brazilian team.

I think Sochi is going to be mind blowing and will surpass Vancouver considerably.

I too wonder about DAE's involvement, they have been doing a fair bit of work in Russia lately so it usually they means they are trying to get a foot in to the market.

Sochi will probably approach their ceremonies much like Sydney did, it is their chance to do a tour d force of Russia, I can see it being a very impressive and grand event.

And if they're successful with Sochi, there will also be more business for World Cup 2018. Well, DAE has a good portfolio, not only with Vancouver, but with Doha, the Shanghai Expo Opening and those recent Pan Arab Games (which kinda had a wintry feel to them).

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we might actually see a Winter Olympics ceremony overshadow that of a Summer Olympics ceremony in terms of grandeur (when directly comparing 2012 to 2014).

Russia is a new nation and has a lot to show the world. Given it might be some time before we see the Summer Olympics in either Moscow or St. Petersburg, they are going to treat 2014 as if it was Moscow 2012.

I agree completely. I think it's almost certain. London has made it pretty easy for Sochi to outshine them.

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