Turkey Has A Choice – Olympics Or Euros

[SwissO]

Including the 2018 olympic bidding process, here what is written in the Host City Contract regarding this issue of other events

• that no major public or private event, conference, or other meeting which could have an impact on the successful planning, organising, financing and staging of the Games or their public and media exposure, shall take place in the City itself, or its neighbourhood or in the other competition sites, during the Games or during the preceding or following week, without the prior written approval of the IOC;
  

So is only concerned the host city itself and its neighbourhood a week before & after the Games !

[Olympic Fan Darcy]

yeah paris 2012 said within 1 week each way but i still dont think they'd want any major even in same year in same city

[Athensfan]

So then it wouldn't be a hard rule. Otherwise, someone from the Sochi team would've been smart enough to point that out before the race and win 2014 by default. And if it's not a hard rule, the IOC shouldn't say there is a rule somewhere that prevents Turkey from doing the same today. Unless there's something that says "The IOC reserves the right to refuse double hosting on a case-by-case basis before the actual vote", but that sounds so un-Charter-like. Oh well.

He didn't say it was a "rule" and didn't cite the Olympic charter. He said it wasn't acceptable and the IOC would not allow them to do it.

The IOC makes their own rules anyway. They are beholden to no one. If they say "no" then the answer is "no" and they dont have to justify their choice.

It's really actually helpful of Rogge to lay it on the table for the Turks. It would appear he's saving them the time and expense of mounting a bid they cannot possibly win.

[Ikarus360]

If Istambul drops the olympic race, Tokyo must be very happy...

[Gangwon]

He didn't say it was a "rule" and didn't cite the Olympic charter. He said it wasn't acceptable and the IOC would not allow them to do it.

The IOC makes their own rules anyway. They are beholden to no one. If they say "no" then the answer is "no" and they dont have to justify their choice.

It's really actually helpful of Rogge to lay it on the table for the Turks. It would appear he's saving them the time and expense of mounting a bid they cannot possibly win.

International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said that Turkey will have to withdraw its bid for the 2020 European football championships if Istanbul is awarded the 2020 Summer Olympic Games. He said IOC rules state that a Games host country cannot hold another major sports event in the same year.

[SwissO]

International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said that Turkey will have to withdraw its bid for the 2020 European football championships if Istanbul is awarded the 2020 Summer Olympic Games. He said IOC rules state that a Games host country cannot hold another major sports event in the same year.

GB could do mistakes... it will not be the first time.... This is not a direct transcription of Jacques Rogge speech. Did he say exactly that ???

From what we know from Olympic Charter, Host City Contract or Candidature Questionnaire.... there is no such rule... but we could also make mistakes

[Athensfan]

International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said that Turkey will have to withdraw its bid for the 2020 European football championships if Istanbul is awarded the 2020 Summer Olympic Games. He said IOC rules state that a Games host country cannot hold another major sports event in the same year.

Like I said they make their own rules. That story is paraphrasing anyway.

Even if Rogge is inventing this out of thin air. He and the IOC have every right to do that. Even if it isn't an official rule, what does it matter? In that case nobody votes for Istanbul. It's a de facto rule and that's all that matters.

[Gangwon]

Like I said they make their own rules. That story is paraphrasing anyway.

Even if Rogge is inventing this out of thin air. He and the IOC have every right to do that. Even if it isn't an official rule, what does it matter? In that case nobody votes for Istanbul. It's a de facto rule and that's all that matters.

It would be nice to know what the IOC thinks you can and can't do before deciding whether to pay the application fee to bid in the first place?

[Athensfan]

It would be nice to know what the IOC thinks you can and can't do before deciding whether to pay the application fee to bid in the first place?

Yes, but I don't think it was ever Turkey's plan to host both events. They thought they'd have their shot at the Olympics first and then the Euro could be a consolation prize. Turkey didn't consider the very real possibility that the order of the decisions could end up being reversed due to a lack of bidders for the Euro.

Now Turkey is scrambling, trying to figure out what their options are. Mercifully, Rogge clarified the situation by saying they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

[FYI]

Okay, so it wasn't Turkey's "plan" to host both events, but the lack of Euro 2020 bidders doesn't change the fact that the deadline for interested Euro 2020 participants is May 15th. So incidentally, Turkey would've been "bidding" for both events regardless.

So what would Turkey have done (or the IOC say) while both event campaigns were underway if there were other Euro 2020 bidders along with Turkey? Would Turkey then have dropped out of the Euro 2020 bid only months before the UEFA vote, IF they had won the 2020 Olympics? In either case, it sounds like Turkey was playing a big gamble, tbw.

[Rob2012]

It would be nice to know what the IOC thinks you can and can't do before deciding whether to pay the application fee to bid in the first place?

Well, I can't find a quote from Rogge regarding the timeframe in the IOC Charter. But frankly, it doesn't matter whether it's set in stone or not.

It'll come as no surprise to Istanbul 2020 that the IOC holds this point of view on this, the FOURTH consecutive occassion they've bid for both events in the same year (2008 jointly with Greece, 2012, 2016 and now 2020).

The recent talk by some of staging the two events in one summer is wishful thinking born of desperation. Istanbul knows the score I'm sure. Rogge is just making sure Istanbul knows what they must already know from their (extensive) previous bidding experience and dealings with the IOC - he's simply nipping any silly-talk in the bud.

Though I still find it strange that he's talking of them withdrawing their Euro bid should they be awarded the Games; since it looks like that scenario isn't a possibility anymore anyway with the reversed timelines.

[Athensfan]

Okay, so it wasn't Turkey's "plan" to host both events, but the lack of Euro 2020 bidders doesn't change the fact that the deadline for interested Euro 2020 participants is May 15th. So incidentally, Turkey would've been "bidding" for both events regardless.

So what would Turkey have done (or the IOC say) while both event campaigns were underway if there were other Euro 2020 bidders along with Turkey? Would Turkey then have dropped out of the Euro 2020 bid only months before the UEFA vote, IF they had won the 2020 Olympics? In either case, it sounds like Turkey was playing a big gamble, tbw.

All the stories suirounding this topic suggest the answer to your question is "yes."

[FYI]

The thing is, I can't C how both sporting organizations would have allowed, let alone be thrilled, of Istanbul/Turkey bidding for both events simultaneously knowing their own "rules". Even if more bidders came forward for Euro 2020, the situation would've been the same as now. It seems that the lack of Euro 2020 bidders only merely expedicted this whole stance with Rogge & the IOC with Istanbul, bcuz it looks like Turkey is gonna get Euro 2020 simply by default b4 the 2020 Olympic short-list.

[Athensfan]

Yes, FYI, it would've been better if they had said pick one or the other. But they didn't and so Turkey decided to hedge their bets. As Rob pointed out, they've done the exact same thing with every other Olympic bid. It just didn't become a problem until now due to the lack of UEFA bidders. So now Turkey is faced with, "if you win either bid, regardless of which is decided first, you will have to bow out of the other one." seems fair enough to me. I doubt we'll ever see a repeat of this crazy scenario.

[SwissO]

ATR article on Rogge interview by AFP

Rogge on Istanbul

IOC president Jacques Rogge says Turkey can host either the Olympics or Euro 2020 football tournament – not both.

Rogge made the comments to French news agency AFP, saying: "On September 7 next year in Buenos Aires, if Istanbul is elected we will respectfully ask them not to host the European Championships."

Past that, he acknowledged, there was little the IOC could do.

“Ultimately, it will be for the government to make their mind up but I would say the election would be conditional on not organizing another competition.”

Turkey submitted a bid for Euro 2020 last month and is so far the only candidate for the UEFA showpiece, scheduled just weeks prior to the Games. The strain on infrastructure for a quick turnaround on events is seen as potentially dooming for Istanbul’s Olympic bid.

In a statement released later in the day from Istanbul 2020, Turkish sports minister Suat Kılıç said Istanbul is still on track to host the Olympics.

“Our Prime Minister announced the bid himself, and Istanbul 2020 retains the same support from the same highest level,” he said. “We will fulfil every requirement to win the right to host the Games, under the leadership of our Prime Minister.”

[Athensfan]

Well, the above is crystal clear and there's no mention of rules. I'd like to know what Turkey thinks they're going to do. Reiterating that the Olympic bid is the top priority doesn't answer the question at hand. We'll have to see what happens when the UEFA deadline passes.

[SwissO]

The "rule" is back in the original transcript from AFP !

Wednesday, May 09, 2012

LAUSANNE: Turkey will have to withdraw its bid to host the 2020 European football championships if Istanbul is awarded the Olympic Games in the same year, the president of the International Olympic Committee told AFP on Tuesday. Jacques Rogge said in an interview that IOC rules state that a Games host country cannot hold another major sports event in the same year. “Initially they will be judged on their technical capacity on May 23 in Quebec City,” said the 70-year-old Belgian, referring to the IOC members’ vote on selecting the short-list for the 2020 Games. “In other words their potential to host the Games. “On September 7 next year in Buenos Aires, if Istanbul is elected we will respectfully ask them not to host the European Championships. “Ultimately, it will be for the government (in Ankara) to make their mind up but I would say the election would be conditional on not organising another competition.” Istanbul, who were considered a leading candidate to host the Games after several failed bids, were dealt a huge blow when Turkey unexpectedly declared their candidacy for Euro 2020. Until then, bid organisers had understood that the government’s priority was the hosting of the Games. Turkey’s bid for the Euro is largely seen as being motivated by enthusiastic soundings from UEFA president Michel Platini, who believes there are are few countries capable of hosting the showpiece tournament. Rogge insisted, however, that the apparent conflict should not ordinarily affect Istanbul’s ability to make the Olympics short-list. Istanbul, a historic city at the crossroads of Europe and Asia, is competing against Tokyo, Madrid, Doha and Baku. Tokyo, which hosted the Games back in 1964, is seen as the early favourite. Madrid lost out to Rio de Janeiro for the 2016 competition but Spain is currently in the grip of a deep recession. Doha, capital of the 2022 football World Cup hosts Qatar, failed to make the shortlist last time round. —AFP

[FYI]

Yes, FYI, it would've been better if they had said pick one or the other. But they didn't and so Turkey decided to hedge their bets. As Rob pointed out, they've done the exact same thing with every other Olympic bid. It just didn't become a problem until now due to the lack of UEFA bidders. .

Or perhaps this time around, Istanbul actually had a pretty good shot at the Olympics. For 2008, there was no way Beijing was going to lose anyway. For 2012, Istanbul wasn't short-listed, so what was there to be all up-in-arms over. And for 2016, the Turks didn't bother to bid for the Olympics.

Many seem to agree, that this race, prior to all this Euro bidding debacle, appeared to be the best chance that the Turks ever had at the Olympics, mainly due to the low number of bidders & compelling ones at that. And especially after Rome's withdrawal. So perhaps that's Y it's being made out to be a much bigger issue now than in their previous, more futile attempts.

[Athensfan]

Or perhaps this time around, Istanbul actually had a pretty good shot at the Olympics. For 2008, there was no way Beijing was going to lose anyway. For 2012, Istanbul wasn't short-listed, so what was there to be all up-in-arms over. And for 2016, the Turks didn't bother to bid for the Olympics.

Many seem to agree, that this race, prior to all this Euro bidding debacle, appeared to be the best chance that the Turks ever had at the Olympics, mainly due to the low number of bidders & compelling ones at that. And especially after Rome's withdrawal. So perhaps that's Y it's being made out to be a much bigger issue now than in their previous, more futile attempts.

Yes, I think so.

[Olympic Fan Darcy]

Turkey are so stupid they had such a good chance even if they do bail on one of them the other will be mega pissed and will hold s grudge for a long time and the one they stick with will look at them badly as they risked te chance and can 'drop one' super easily

[Soaring]

Interesting development indeed. I am glad Rogge spelled it out for them. It makes sense, and Istanbul 2020 would be wise to drop their bid should no one else step in to bid for the Euros Champs. Ultimately, it throws pie in their face.

The U.S. is in no position to bid right now. They still haven't ironed out an agreement with the IOC, plus I still believe it to be unlikely for the IOC to award the Games to the the Americas back-to-back. South Africa declined a bid based off their own priorities, not because of fear from the competition.

I think we are going to see all of the cities shortlisted now. If Istanbul drops out, that only leaves four applicants. That would be the smallest pool of bidders in over 30 years.

[krow]

doha needs to have a successful WC to brag about before their olympic day in the sun

baku doesn't deserve shortlisting, but may get it out of default

madrid may be fine, but the economy is a worry. and if things take a turn for the worse in spain, people could really scapegoat the olympics - it's an easy target - and that is some bad pr. the IOC likes places like china where money is no object and they are so grateful to have the games. the spanish are fickle and have ridiculous amounts of time on their hand to protest virtually anything due to their crippling unemployment.

thank god for tokyo, the safe choice that's looking more and more like the only choice.

istanbul should go head to head with tokyo for the olympics - no guts no glory. euros? get real. all or nothing, now or never, bet the farm on green 00 and hold your breath.

[Faster]

I think in the end, if you ask all Turks, they would much prefer a European Championships then the Olympics. And the government is probably aware of that. A sure thing or a pipe-dream?

[Athensfan]

I think in the end, if you ask all Turks, they would much prefer a European Championships then the Olympics. And the government is probably aware of that. A sure thing or a pipe-dream?

Obvious choice. It must be Euro 2020 for Turkey.

[AK30]

I still think Turkey will choose the games, if they have to choose, but we'll see. If its Euro then definitely tokyo 2020...Unfortunately for Baku, after the horrible games in Athens 2004. I doubt The IOC would want to take a risk with a country that may not be able to cope with such a large event. Even though I honestly believe Baku would do a fine job.