intoronto Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 IDK why the IAAF wants large stadiums when most of the time they are half empty. As far as I know the IAAF president has said Melbourne would be a perfect choice for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 IDK why the IAAF wants large stadiums when most of the time they are half empty. As far as I know the IAAF president has said Melbourne would be a perfect choice for 2019. A friend of mine in Melbourne knows of an official bid which Baillieu will make public in coming months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 A friend of mine in Melbourne knows of an official bid which Baillieu will make public in coming months. There we go Melbourne host of the 2019 IAAF World Championships. At this point I don't see any other viable candidate coming forth. Note: Doha is not viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 A friend of mine in Melbourne knows of an official bid which Baillieu will make public in coming months. Where are they going to hold it? MCG is the only viable option, but the cost to put in a track is extreme for a 1 week event Could hold it in the 2nd week of October after the AFL Grand Final if they do what they did with the Commonwealth Games is put the track in before and bury it for 6 months, but even then for the Comm Games the MCG needed to be reconfigured with some seating removed to fit it in Don't think they could fit a track inside Etihad? Unless they are planning to do something with the Smurf Turf Stadium at Albert Park? IAAF says the stadium must be a minimum of 30000 covered seats to host Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 IDK why the IAAF wants large stadiums when most of the time they are half empty. As far as I know the IAAF president has said Melbourne would be a perfect choice for 2019. Well that sucks would be good for Brisbane to get some experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 IDK, even getting the IAAF champs for 2019 would be too soon to have much bearing on any future winnable Oz Oly bid IMO. That said, it would be good for ANY Oz city to bid for the IAAF champs - probably that and the FIFA WC would be our best chances for a big event in the next few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I'd expect either November or March. AFL grand final would only ever be shifted for an event like the Oympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I'd expect either November or March. AFL grand final would only ever be shifted for an event like the Oympics. Likely November. March is too early. However it can ruin the lead up to the Olympics and IAAF might not look too good on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Lead up to an Olympics? IAAF is never staged in an Olympic year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Lead up to an Olympics? IAAF is never staged in an Olympic year. Delhi and Guadalajara both of which were in October had athletes withdraw stating that it would hamper their Olympic preparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 They seem like excuses. I remember Australian athletes pulling out of Manchester 2002 citing similar concerns - and that was held in July. Ultimately Pan Ams and CWG's are second tier and some athletes consider it non-vital to attend. The IAAF World Champs would hold far more appeal and prestige for the athletes concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Found the Brisbane Olympic Bid Book at State Library today. Cluster plan Proposed dates And days of events distance between venues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Australia could go for a FIFA or FIBA world cup. For olympics is too early. After 2040 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 We tried 2022 world cup and failed dismally however that may be because of Qatar's bribary. We got 1 vote. I think we should go for championships in each sport. Such as IAAF (We could beat Doha) World Aquatic championships, World artistic gymnastics (Brisbane hosted it in 1994) Fiba definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 The question is, if Brisbane DOES end up bidding for 2024 or 2028 at the earliest, will it include venues in the Gold Coast as part of it's bid? It can easily use the following Gold Coast Venues: EXISTING: Robina Stadium - Rugby 7's Preliminaries or Football Preliminaries - 27,400 Carrara Stadium - Football Preliminaries or the whole of Modern Pentathlon with the addition of a permanent pool nearby - 25,000 Gold Coast Convention and Exhibition Centre - (an indoor sport) - 5,269 and Basketball Preliminaries at it's exhibition hall - 6,000 - 8,000 Surfer's Paradise - Triathlon and Marathon Swimming Gold Coast Aquatic Centre - Synchronised Swimming, Waterpolo Preliminaries - 10,000 Hinze Dam - Mountain Bike - 2,500 NEW Hinze Dam - BMX - 5,000 Hinze Dam - Canoe/Kayak Slalom - 6,000 TEMPORARY Surfer's Paradise or Carrara - Beach Volleyball - 10,000 Otherwise, just make the bid centred on Brisbane, using the wealth of existing venues within and just outside city limits, even if they are not ideally close and in clusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 The problem would be the transport times. All bids try to have quick transport to each cluster. Even if they build high speed trains it would still be about 45 minutes to get to the Gold coast. Unsure. If they consider a bid they have to do some investigating first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 If they consider a 2040's bid start looking in 2028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I don't think they should Gold Coast for anything besides being a soccer venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 If they consider a 2040's bid start looking in 2028 Realistically Australia will wait until 2040 - and so we should. We've done very well out of 1956 and 2000. I think Australia could only really start to bid again in in 2032 - and that is a huge stretch. I think 2040 could work well for Australia. It's a nice even number, 40 years after Sydney 2000. The problem Brisbane might face, is that despite Melbourne and Sydney being previous hosts, and Brisbane's growth, these former two still have far bigger international presence in sport, and 1956 would be too far distant history to really impact Melbourne; and even more worrying for Brisbane is Sydney. I think Sydney could quite fairly put a case forward for Australian rights to a 2040 bid. Sydney is an iconic Olympic city. A 2040 Olympic bid could coincide with a refurbishment of Olympic Park at Homebush. Brisbane shouldn't be so expectant, nor should it waste its money and become Australia's Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I personally believe that the next Australian host of the Olympic Games will either be Melbourne or Sydney. Brisbane is quite simply not sufficiently well-known outside of Australia to make the case against the types of Candidate Cities that will be coming up. Melbourne is known worldwide for the MCC, the Australian Open, the Melbourne Cup and the F1 race. It clearly has a consistently strong sporting tradition and Olympic pedigree with its hosting in 1956. Melbourne Airport is the second-busiest in Australia, with several corporations headquartered there and already possessing an excellent transport infrastructure... Brisbane should focus on its development in the decades ahead, and leave the Olympic Games to Melbourne (at least if Australia wishes to mount an electable bid for the Olympic Games around the 2040s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 The fly in the ointment is the IOC's new "window" for SOG hosting - the mandated July to September period. It really puts Melbourne at a huge disadvantage - it really is bloody cold in those months. Sydney (as we managed in 2000) was only really possible at the very tail end of that period. Now, I know a lot of members here think the IOC would need to be flexible in such cases, but they really carved it in stone when they weren't flexible with Doha's proposed dates. And it's also the reason Coates is publically talking up Brisbane as Oz's next host - he says that climate-wise, it's our only real possible candidate now in that scheduling window. Now, he may be just saying that as a bit of political posturing to make sure the IOC realises the restrictions it's now placed on such cities as Sydney, Melbourne, Capetown or Buenos Aires, but we've got to accept such scheduling as a given now, IMO, until it's tested and the IOC says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Realistically Australia will wait until 2040 - and so we should. We've done very well out of 1956 and 2000. I think Australia could only really start to bid again in in 2032 - and that is a huge stretch. I think 2040 could work well for Australia. It's a nice even number, 40 years after Sydney 2000. The problem Brisbane might face, is that despite Melbourne and Sydney being previous hosts, and Brisbane's growth, these former two still have far bigger international presence in sport, and 1956 would be too far distant history to really impact Melbourne; and even more worrying for Brisbane is Sydney. I think Sydney could quite fairly put a case forward for Australian rights to a 2040 bid. Sydney is an iconic Olympic city. A 2040 Olympic bid could coincide with a refurbishment of Olympic Park at Homebush. Brisbane shouldn't be so expectant, nor should it waste its money and become Australia's Madrid. I can in no way see Sydney landing a games twice in 40 years when it took London 60 odd years. Taken Paris about 100 years. I agree as said Melbourne is a huge threat however as Rols has said the weather problem in Melbourne may learn in Brisbanes favour. However Brisbane will in no way win the bid on the first chance and we are definitely not like Turkey or Qatar who can bid 5 times in a row. (Seeing as we did 1992, 1996 then 2000). If brisbane loses the first bid Melbourne will be given a shot and if they lose then maybe even Sydney. In no way is Brisbane being expectant, this is simply a thread for me wanting a home olympics. They're have been talks by our AOC president our premier our lord mayor about our bid however it is a while away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I don't think they should Gold Coast for anything besides being a soccer venue. Which will most likely be Robina Stadium. It's unlikely that they will go regional only, but if that's the case, Gold Coast and Townsville will host football preliminaries alongside Brisbane's 2 or even 3 venues. Gold Coast could serve 2, but i'd opt for 1. That being said, the traditional Eastern Coast football preliminaries venues is a better option. Canberra, Sydney and Melbourne, alongside Townsville and Gold Coast, with Brisbane hosting the finals. WHEN we do decide to bid for an Olympics again, it's a matter of sporting tradition and readiness over excellent weather and suitability to host in season. I'd love to see Melbourne bid again, but will be more than pleased if Brisbane comes up with a reasonably good bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Where are they going to hold it? MCG is the only viable option, but the cost to put in a track is extreme for a 1 week event Could hold it in the 2nd week of October after the AFL Grand Final if they do what they did with the Commonwealth Games is put the track in before and bury it for 6 months, but even then for the Comm Games the MCG needed to be reconfigured with some seating removed to fit it in Don't think they could fit a track inside Etihad? Unless they are planning to do something with the Smurf Turf Stadium at Albert Park? IAAF says the stadium must be a minimum of 30000 covered seats to host If Melbourne does host it will be held in October after the AFL season, or before it in March, like the Commonwealth Games. I'm not sure if the quick layout of an athletics track is possible considering the fact that the field of the MCG is grass over dirt and not concrete. Not to mention that the 3,000 ground level seats need to be removed and the temporary athletics "scoreboards" would need to be installed at the upper level. If the Grand Final ends at the end of September, is 1 or 2 weeks enough to do all these alterations? Or will the MCG be forced to be less than 3,000 seats in that season, with the other temporary works done in the short 2 weeks prior to the athletics championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 It didn't take London over 60 years to land the games again simply because between 1948 and 2012, they only put in one bid. And they won it...in the wake of three failed British bids from smaller, lesser known cities (Birmingham 1992, Manchester 1996 and 2000). Is there a lesson here? Timing, appeal, narrative, stature, commitment, experience, legacy, prestige, trust, ability, infrastructure, leadership. These all have an impact on winning a bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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