intoronto Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Competition format is that you need 3 of 4 disciplines so Korea wouldn't qualify. The first round has all of them participating and then the top 5 go to the next round and finish it off. Qualifying is based on a ranking of all European, FC. world cups, World championships. The top 10 will qualify adding up the results from those. Only 10 new quota are being added for the team event. So the 10 countries who qualify are allowed to enter into another single athlete/pair/ice dance combo if they didn't qualify for their respective event (though they need to meet minimum standards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 R they using the same athletes for the "Team event'? If so, then everyone has to learn an additional TEAM routine, AND their individual discipline routine already? I mean how will the skaters and coaches react to this? Isn't it difficult enough just to master your own Short and Long Programs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 What is the format, I've tried to find it before but couldn't. South Korea? Where is their man, pairs and dance team? Ten teams compete in the short program. A skater/pair from each country skates. They get 10 points for first place to 1 point for 10th place.The top five teams after the sort programs compete in te long program. 1st place in a long prpgram segment takea 10 points, 5th place gets 6 points. Essentially, after the short program the die will be more or less cast. R they using the same athletes for the "Team event'? If so, then everyone has to learn an additional TEAM routine, AND their individual discipline routine already? I mean how will the skaters and coaches react to this? Isn't it difficult enough just to master your own Short and Long Programs?? They will skate the same routine for the team and individual events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 So that means the Russian's are going to be handicapped by their man. If Osmund progresses another notch or two, Canada could win this in a laugher. The Russians don't have a man, the Americans a pair, the Chinese a dance team, the French a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's just so odd. That will also mean, enlarging the "judges" pool. And then they still have to do the Skaters' Gala on the Closing night of the Games + be part of the Closing ceremony (as I think the Sochi organizers will want them to be). Has the ISU thought this thru? What if there are injuries or sickness? WiIl the 'alternates' step in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 R they using the same athletes for the "Team event'? If so, then everyone has to learn an additional TEAM routine, AND their individual discipline routine already? I mean how will the skaters and coaches react to this? Isn't it difficult enough just to master your own Short and Long Programs?? Exactly makes no sense whatsoever lol. Why skate the same thing twice for two different medals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Based on results from the recent World Championships (not completely accurate I'm sure) using the Olympic criteria. Gold - Canada Silver - Russia Bronze - USA 4th - France 5th - Italy 6th - Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Based on recents from the World Championships (not completely accurate I'm sure) Gold - Canada Silver - Russia Bronze - USA 4th - France 5th - Italy 6th - Germany Japan won the last WC at 55 points, USA 53 Canada 42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_ISU_World_Team_Trophy_in_Figure_Skating FROM THE ISU: Following the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013, the following six teams are qualified for the ISU World Team Trophy 2013 in Tokyo / Japan, April 11 to 14: Rank Nation Points 1 CAN - Canada 7824 2 USA - United States of America 7156 3 JPN - Japan 6823 4 RUS - Russia 6648 5 FRA - France 4826 6 CHN - China 4702 Standings for Sochi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I was using the World Championship results to point things out based on the Olympic format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I was using the World Championship results to point things out based on the Olympic format. Yea I read it again. Canada was first by over 700 points. If Rochette comes then Canada would have 2 top 10s in each event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 By my count, this is what the team trophy would look like based on the results of the 2013 worlds. I picked The top 9 countries plus Ukraine. I gave Japan, Ukraine and Spain a 3 point on the pairs short. I might have made a few small mistakes, but it should be close. Men's shortCanada 10Japan 9France 8Spain 7USA 6China 5Germany 4Russia 3Ukraine 2Italy 1Women's shortItaly 10Japan 9Canada 8USA 7Russia 6France 5China 4Spain 3Ukraine 2Germany 1Pairs' shortRussia 10Canada 9Germany 8China 7France 6USA 5Italy 4Spain - Ukraine - Japan: 3Short danceUSA 10Canada 9Russia 8France 7Italy 6Germany 5Ukraine 4Japan 3Spain 2China 1Short:Canada 36 QUSA 28 QRussia 27 QFrance 26 QJapan 23 Q-----Italy 21Germany 18China 17Spain 15Ukraine 11Men's longCanada 10Japan 9USA 8France 7Russia 6Women's longJapan 10USA 9Russia 8Canada 7France 6Pairs' longRussia 10Canada 9France 8USA 7Japan 6Free DanceUSA 10Canada 9Russia 8France 7Japan 6LongCanada 35USA 34Russia 32Japan 31France 28TotalCanada 71USA 62Russia 59France 54Japan 54Italy 21Germany 18China 17Spain 15Ukraine 11 With this scenario, Canada would win the gold medal before the final segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 R u kidding me? They are going to go into all this ridiculous, complicated math, just to award another medal? It really seems absurd and superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 R u kidding me? They are going to go into all this ridiculous, complicated math, just to award another medal? It really seems absurd and superfluous. That would be because it kind of is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 OK. So it's a 4-day event in Tokyo. How will they condense that into ONE event in Sochi? As it is, they already will start the Men's Short program the day before Opening? And as I said, not unless they are removing the Skater's Gala, there will also be that. Or will it simply be awarding a "Team" medal and then proceed with the Skaters' Gala, as is traditional in past WOGs? So, they're sort of copying the "Team" competition in Gymnastics then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 OK. So it's a 4-day event in Tokyo. How will they condense that into ONE event in Sochi? As it is, they already will start the Men's Short program the day before Opening? And as I said, not unless they are removing the Skater's Gala, there will also be that. Or will it simply be awarding a "Team" medal and then proceed with the Skaters' Gala, as is traditional in past WOGs? So, they're sort of copying the "Team" competition in Gymnastics then.The team event will run over three days. The men's short and pairs short portions of the team event will be the day before opening ceremonies. The dance and women's short, along with the pairs long, will be on day one. The men's, women's and dance long program will be on the second day of the game. THEN they will have the individual events. The gala will be on the next to last day of the games.Schedule can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 The team event will run over three days. The men's short and pairs short portions of the team event will be the day before opening ceremonies. The dance and women's short, along with the pairs long, will be on day one. The men's, women's and dance long program will be on the second day of the game. THEN they will have the individual events. The gala will be on the next to last day of the games. Schedule can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics Oh, so they've totally changed the sked now for Sochi. And I noticed that the short programs for the trad 4 disciplines are going to be just the day before. The pairs will have the least rest time between their final team event and their Short program day -- just one day. I wonder how the team event will enhance or diminish the quality of the skating in the later days. But the big question in mind is: will the Team events be like the Synchronized team events...except they are mixed doubles...in that all will be performing to synchronized performances? So the skaters will really have to arrive early in Sochi so they can at least get a day or 2 of practice for the team events?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Oh, so they've totally changed the sked now for Sochi. And I noticed that the short programs for the trad 4 disciplines are going to be just the day before. The pairs will have the least rest time between their final team event and their Short program day -- just one day. I wonder how the team event will enhance or diminish the quality of the skating in the later days. But the big question in mind is: will the Team events be like the Synchronized team events...except they are mixed doubles...in that all will be performing to synchronized performances? So the skaters will really have to arrive early in Sochi so they can at least get a day or 2 of practice for the team events?? No no no, everyone will skate their own programs alone, and it will be the same program as the normal events. As for the pairs, I feel a lot of teams will swap out their pairs team between the short and long program. Any team that has two or more pairs team can do that if they wish to do so (they can do substitutions in two events between the short and long). Teams that only have zero or one athlete qualified for an individual event can bring a substitute for the team event only, however they will only be accredited if the titular athlete is injured. This is a common provision in many sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 /\/\ From a TV point of view, it all seems redundant. Or would the networks just do condensed coverage of the Team event so as NOT to give away the prized LONG programs in the individual disciplines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 /\/\ From a TV point of view, it all seems redundant. Or would the networks just do condensed coverage of the Team event so as NOT to give away the prized LONG programs in the individual disciplines? I doubt it. Its all but a guaranteed medal for the US and by far their best shot outside of ice dance so I don't see NBC ignoring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I doubt it. Its all but a guaranteed medal for the US and by far their best shot outside of ice dance so I don't see NBC ignoring it. But if it's the same routines, then who will want to watch the individual discipline nights WHEN it (NBC) normally get its highest audience numbers and can deliver those figures it promised its advertisers. See what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 ISU Grand Prix schedules for 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 season(s) Season 2013/14: October 18 – 20, 2013 USA – city to be announced October 25 – 27, 2013 St. John, Canada November 1 – 3, 2013 Beijing, China November 8 – 10, 2013 Tokyo, Japan November 15 – 17, 2013 Paris, France November 22 – 24, 2013 Moscow, Russia December 5 – 8, 2013 Final – Fukuoka, Japan Season 2014/15 (all host cities to be announced): October 24 – 26, 2014 USA October 31 – November 2, 2014 Canada November 7 – 9, 2014 China November 14 – 16, 2014 France November 21 – 23, 2014 Russia November 28 – 30, 2014 Japan December 11 – 14, 2014 Final (host city not yet determined) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Davis/White and Virtue/Moir won't be going to WTT. Taking their places are Chock/Bates and Weaver/Poje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Davis/White and Virtue/Moir won't be going to WTT. Taking their places are Chock/Bates and Weaver/Poje. That makes more sense. I didn't expect the top two teams to still tire themselves further for this superfluous category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Updated 2013-14 ISU Grand Prix Schedule Season 2013/14: October 18 – 20, 2013 Detroit, MI, USA October 25 – 27, 2013 Saint John, NB, Canada November 1 – 3, 2013 Beijing, China November 8 – 10, 2013 Tokyo, Japan November 15 – 17, 2013 Paris, France November 22 – 24, 2013 Moscow, Russia December 5 – 8, 2013 Final – Fukuoka, Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Participants list for 2013 World Team Trophy http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051444.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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