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And what if the IOC penalizes or gives you a warning? Do you really think it's worth disobeying a very "rule-based" organization just to please "bid book" collectors?? :rolleyes:

Cause the IOC really wants to piss off more cities....

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Cause the IOC really wants to piss off more cities....

U don't get it, do you? It's a cost-saving measure the IOC is instituting -- not a collector-denying move. :rolleyes:

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U don't get it, do you? It's a cost-saving measure the IOC is instituting -- not a collector-denying move. :rolleyes:

What cost savings.... to print & ship bid books represent 0.5% of a summer games bid !!!!

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And what if the IOC penalizes or gives you a warning? Do you really think it's worth disobeying a very "rule-based" organization just to please "bid book" collectors?? :rolleyes:

A warning for what? Spending YOUR money to print your bid books? Will they not accept them now or something because they're physical print? In an ever increasing world where things are becoming more and more digitized and the art of a physical book is fading away?

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It may be unfair in the IOC's eyes to have one country/city to have it printed and binded with Kangaroo Leather and have another just be a PDF. Although it is an expense at the country/city's cost, the printed one with fancy additions may be favored, so it won't really really be solving anything by adding that recommendation (unless it's absolutely required).

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Kangaroo leather? What just because we foolishly did that for the FIFA World Cup bid book? The 1996 Melbourne and 2000 Sydney bid books were printed normally on good high stock paper and covers, whilst the 1992 Brisbane was presumably printed on a generic leather bound cover.

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It was just an example. I couldn't think of anything else. I wan't bagging on Australia. I'm sorry?

Obviously, cities will try to go above and beyond, so if the IOC allows physical copies and digital copies, it may be an unfair advantage (or possibly an utterly useless rule change as cities may just want to top each other)

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I understand the disappointment of collectors, but digital bid documentation may indeed offer new posibilities for presenting the bids (3D visualisations, interactive transportation plans etc).

Cost reduction/eco-friendly are just selling labels from IOC spin doctors though - digital publication may cost a few bucks too, and while paper is saved, energy is needed, both for publishing abd reading.

But after all, it's 2014 and the world is getting more and more digital. If you want to save the art of creating printed books, buy a fine copy of Ulysses, for example, not some glossy Baku/Doha propaganda rubbish.

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Meh. Sure it could save a bit of money but the IOC could do much better things to cut costs. But i'm sure they'll adopt this as a measure. Let's just see if it attracts hundreds of applicants for 2026. :rolleyes:

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Other things are proposed, like fewer global presentations and the IOC bearing some of the cost of bidding. Nobody is saying this is a huge cost saving measure but it IS an easy and really very obvious one. Even 10 years ago when London was bidding and I was new to all this, it seemed odd to have a plane deliver thousands of sheets of paper and volumes of books to Lausanne, when I had the same thing on my PC screen within minutes.

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Other things are proposed, like fewer global presentations and the IOC bearing some of the cost of bidding. Nobody is saying this is a huge cost saving measure but it IS an easy and really very obvious one. Even 10 years ago when London was bidding and I was new to all this, it seemed odd to have a plane deliver thousands of sheets of paper and volumes of books to Lausanne, when I had the same thing on my PC screen within minutes.

I know, it makes sense. I said it probably would be adopted. I just think the IOC could do better... like saying they screwed up in picking Sochi and acting like there was no real problem and acting like they made profit. That would be helpful.

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I know, it makes sense. I said it probably would be adopted. I just think the IOC could do better... like saying they screwed up in picking Sochi and acting like there was no real problem and acting like they made profit. That would be helpful.

You're a total disgrace to these forums, Darcy. So dumb.

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The IOC didn't screw up in choosing Sochi, but that's gone and past and wasn't our taxpayer money being spent anyways. You can only blame Sochi for shying away potential bidders based on fears on how much a games will cost.

Oh and the IOC would never act like Sochi made a profit, it's the Sochi organizing committee in their official report who will act like they made any form of profit, brushing aside 40 or so billion dollars.

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The IOC didn't screw up in choosing Sochi, but that's gone and past and wasn't our taxpayer money being spent anyways. You can only blame Sochi for shying away potential bidders based on fears on how much a games will cost.

Oh and the IOC would never act like Sochi made a profit, it's the Sochi organizing committee in their official report who will act like they made any form of profit, brushing aside 40 or so billion dollars.

The IOC would never claim Sochi made a profit? Uhm, google a few official IOC statements ir check out the Sochi section of the forum and then see if you can keep up your statement.

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The IOC didn't screw up in choosing Sochi, but that's gone and past and wasn't our taxpayer money being spent anyways. You can only blame Sochi for shying away potential bidders based on fears on how much a games will cost.

Oh and the IOC would never act like Sochi made a profit, it's the Sochi organizing committee in their official report who will act like they made any form of profit, brushing aside 40 or so billion dollars.

Cheers LD for liking Barons post. Expected it from him but thought you'd be better then that.

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The IOC would never claim Sochi made a profit? Uhm, google a few official IOC statements ir check out the Sochi section of the forum and then see if you can keep up your statement.

Any links? Why should the IOC care if Sochi made a profit or not when it gets their revenues anyways. Everyone knows well that an Olympics doesn't usually bring any profit for the host city. Sochi's claims of (varying) profits is based on false accounts, probably downplaying the 50 billion it spent overall or simply accounting for Olympic related costs.

If the IOC does claim that Sochi made a profit, then it would be on the same grounds.

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Any links? Why should the IOC care if Sochi made a profit or not when it gets their revenues anyways. Everyone knows well that an Olympics doesn't usually bring any profit for the host city. Sochi's claims of (varying) profits is based on false accounts, probably downplaying the 50 billion it spent overall or simply accounting for Olympic related costs.

If the IOC does claim that Sochi made a profit, then it would be on the same grounds.

http://www.olympic.org/news/olympic-highlights/235265

"The Executive Board is confident that the future hosts of the Olympic Winter Games can break even with the Olympic Games budget – as Vancouver has just announced for the 2010 Olympic Winter Games. Or, as in the case of Sochi, make a considerable profit, which they project to be in the range of USD 200 million."

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I think the elimination of physical bid books another sign of pure stupidity from the IOC. Something gives me the feeling that the bid books are not putting the cities into debt. If they seriously think that will help cut down prices then they're bloody fools.

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I think the elimination of physical bid books another sign of pure stupidity from the IOC. Something gives me the feeling that the bid books are not putting the cities into debt. If they seriously think that will help cut down prices then they're bloody fools.

Bid teams have to make a whole like 10 person presentation of the bid books in Lausanne. It saves a lot of money in travel and production costs, as well as paying people to go deliver the book to the IOC.

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I think the elimination of physical bid books another sign of pure stupidity from the IOC. Something gives me the feeling that the bid books are not putting the cities into debt. If they seriously think that will help cut down prices then they're bloody fools.

In this case, the symbolism of the thing is more important than the actual cost. There's just no reason to be served having the bid books printed any more. There's no reason they ever should have been anything but a set of cheap technical manuals. They just became a loophole for continued silly and lavish one-upmanship. Edited by Sir Rols
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Cheers LD for liking Barons post. Expected it from him but thought you'd be better then that.

Just goes to show what a poor judge of character you really are.

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I think the elimination of physical bid books another sign of pure stupidity from the IOC. Something gives me the feeling that the bid books are not putting the cities into debt. If they seriously think that will help cut down prices then they're bloody fools.

I wouldn't call it pure stupidity, the supposed savings made is really negligible in a multi million dollar bid. I can get if the IOC wanted to go more environmental, but even some bid cities now are producing close to zero emission bid books.

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It's more than the cost of production. It's the trees being cut down for just frou-frou material; it's the freight cost of transporting those 20-lb things from Timbuktu to wherever they're holding the Sessions; it's they've become so big that the oldie IOC members can't lift them or won't even read them, that they are just a superfluous waste. They're so heavy and antequated and so arcane, that they will just sit unread on many library shelves after the 3 GB'ers in that city have tried to rip it off. Of course, now, it'll be a lot easier to sneak out the smaller DVD.

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I know this is not related to Bid Books, but I went onto the Russian Google, and typed 'Sochi 2002 Олимпийские' I stumbled across what I believe are a few venue renderings from the bid.

Here is the link:

http://www.privetsochi.ru/blog/4882.html

Another find, Sochi's bid logo:

http://m.perm.kp.ru/daily/26188/3077045/

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Dear all, I am looking for the IOC Evaluation Report for the 2002 Cities. Does anyone have it?

Furthermore, I have got a question regarding the Beijing 2000 Bid Books. I have them and its just three books in a plain box. Was that really all? I can imagine that they came along with something more or is this set really a "classic" one (three books only)?

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