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Well , somebody writes that the cauldron will be lit in the middle of the stadium . If this is true , the cauldron couldn't be very tall , right ? Because the work under the platform must be very difficult , even if there's a hydraulic system which lifts the cauldron in the high. I can imagine that the top of the stadium cauldron will hang on strings , flow in the air and landet on the orbit platform ...

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Does anyone know which is the 'Podium Level' inside the Olympic Stadium ?

I'm guessing the Podium Level is the Upper Tier that encircles the Stadium, but I have no idea (or is it a special VIPs area? )

The Podium Level was from where the Cauldron was seen being tested by two Opening Ceremony performers earlier.

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Maybe putting the cauldron (whichever one it will be, the official one or a non-Heatherwick one) there is meant to block people on the orbit's deck from looking into events inside Oly Stadium?? After all, they would be getting a peek into events going on there?? So maybe a trade-off was worked out, Orbit would get the honor to 'host' a cauldron, but it will block free-loaders' view of the stadium inside??

In order to access the Orbit you need a ticket for an Olympic event in the park on that day, plus an extra Orbit ticket (£14), so not really freeloaders!

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I have always had the idea that the 'mechanism' for raising the cauldron would come out of the tor and it would lift up to the roof in a spectacular fashion! Where the culdron comes from could be the middle of the stadium where it would 'travel' somehow to meet the mechanism at the tor. It would then be fixed to the roof for the duration of the games once lit. I am probably so far off :rolleyes:

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Well , somebody writes that the cauldron will be lit in the middle of the stadium . If this is true , the cauldron couldn't be very tall , right ? Because the work under the platform must be very difficult , even if there's a hydraulic system which lifts the cauldron in the high. I can imagine that the top of the stadium cauldron will hang on strings , flow in the air and landet on the orbit platform ...

Unless there is a big in the complex network of flying wires now criss-crossing above the Stadium right across the arena , where is there a gap in the wires to allow a Cauldron to safely fit through ?

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Or maybe this platform is just here to host some cameras which would be used to film the opening ceremony, because it must have a very good point of view from that place all over the olympic park. I mean if I were cameraman I would certainly choose that place to film the firework over the olympic park for example. That's just my point of view. I would be surprised if they would put the cauldron there, that would require a big mecanism even if they wanted put a double on this after the ceremony.

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Unless there is a big in the complex network of flying wires now criss-crossing above the Stadium right across the arena , where is there a gap in the wires to allow a Cauldron to safely fit through ?

in the pic below, you can see the radial calble system that is connected from the lighting towers to the center of the arena. There is also a second cable system that runs from the north to the south of the stadium and the cables for this look thicker and capable of very heavy lifting.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Columnist/Columnists/2012/7/21/1342884994228/The-Olympic-Stadium-will--008.jpg

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Slightly off-topic in terms of this years cauldron I know, but something that's always interested me is what happens to the cauldrons AFTER the Olympics. The only one I know about is the Sydney Cauldron, which is now part of a fountain in a park nearby. Does anyone have information or even better, any pictures of other cauldrons post-Olympics?

Here are pictures of Mexico City's cauldron still in its original location on top of a Diego Rivera mural in the volcanic rock stadium in the now protected University City as a UNESCO World Heritage Site:

http://www.lospumasunam.com.mx/wiki/Estadio_Olímpico_Universitario

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Apparently NBC's Meredith Viera saw the lighting rehearsal and says that, "if they pull it off, it will go viral within minutes. It's fantastic."

Hype hype hype!

Actually it won't, because I'm sure the IOC will remove all traces of it from YouTube, at least until it happens on NBC.

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in the pic below, you can see the radial calble system that is connected from the lighting towers to the center of the arena. There is also a second cable system that runs from the north to the south of the stadium and the cables for this look thicker and capable of very heavy lifting.

Thanks and there have been many earlier photos posted weeks ago in this thread showing these wires crossing overhead the stadium :) .

There are plenty of things that are lifted and fly around during the Opening Ceremony as witnessed by people who have been to the rehearsals.

But how do you get a Cauldron through the wires? There do not appear to be any Cauldron sized gaps in the network of wires. So that would appear to rule out any notion that if there was a Cauldron inside the Stadium that it would go from ground level to roof level

--> this does not appear to be physically possible because it would not get through the wires above.

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About the lighter of the cauldron... whoever gets to be so...

I've heard of Muhammad Ali's visit to London this week, can anyone comfirm?

Do we know the whereabouts of Li Ning, Nikolaos K., Cathy Freeman, Antonio Rebollo???

Do you think they got invited? Any chance they get a role in the ceremony?

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The cables are more than capable of lifting a cauldron.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17905304

I'm sure they are, but the flame would heat the cables and compromise their strength. Plus, what do you do for fuel supply?

I think you make lots of valid points here. In your scenario that caldron would be positioned underneath the tor, which is pretty likely, and the river would be the corridor leading up to it, not the most amazing idea, but doable, safe and simple. But what about the hole in the center of the stadium? What's the purpose of that?

What hole? I still haven't seen a hole. I've seen a very shallow cavity, but that's it.

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The platform seems to be new indeed (unless it's an optical illusion), but the Orbit had that red glow below its spectator platform already much earlier, when the stadium's wrap wasn't up yet:

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And folks, did you really believe they will install a flame right below the spectators' feet? By the way: What happened to Lakshmi Mittal's statement that the Orbit won't be the cauldron? I thought that this would put all that speculation about the Orbit to its final rest.

I told you it wouldn't stop 'em talking about the Orbit. Lakshmi Mittal and Denis Oswald's statements make it pretty clear it can't be on the Orbit, but people still conjecture.... I wouldn't be surprised if the Orbit factored in somehow, but it is not the site of the cauldron itself.

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Thanks and there have been many earlier photos posted weeks ago in this thread showing these wires crossing overhead the stadium :) .

There are plenty of things that are lifted and fly around during the Opening Ceremony as witnessed by people who have been to the rehearsals.

But how do you get a Cauldron through the wires? There do not appear to be any Cauldron sized gaps in the network of wires. So that would appear to rule out any notion that if there was a Cauldron inside the Stadium that it would go from ground level to roof level

--> this does not appear to be physically possible because it would not get through the wires above.

i agree with your logic. the cauldron would have to be quite large and be somehow lifted by its base... and even then, it would need to pass through and go higher than the cables.... what would lift it then? a hydraulic system pushing it up from the ground? very tricky.

so flying a caudron might not be the way.

so, it would seem they

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Well , somebody writes that the cauldron will be lit in the middle of the stadium . If this is true , the cauldron couldn't be very tall , right ? Because the work under the platform must be very difficult , even if there's a hydraulic system which lifts the cauldron in the high. I can imagine that the top of the stadium cauldron will hang on strings , flow in the air and landet on the orbit platform ...

What about the javelin and the discus? Do they just try to throw around the cauldron?

Apparently NBC's Meredith Viera saw the lighting rehearsal and says that, "if they pull it off, it will go viral within minutes. It's fantastic."

Hype hype hype!

If?

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I'm sure they are, but the flame would heat the cables and compromise their strength. Plus, what do you do for fuel supply?

Fuel supply could be light Sydney's cauldron until it rose to the top..... it held 35 mins of portable fuel

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They could always lift it most of the way up at the ceremony, then take down the other cable systems that are in the way overnight and winch it further up so it is visible outside after?

The Ceiling

The stadium has a ceiling of overhead wires.

Anything much larger than a person will not physically be able to get through this.

Any flame getting close to the wires will likely melt them.

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