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The big problem with ideas of the Cauldron rising up from the centre hole, or anywhere inside the Stadium, is how do they get it through the complex network of theatrical flying wires currently strung everywhere over the arena ?

The center cauldron would not rise to the 75-ft height of the overhead network of wires. Even raising the cauldron to 25-ft only would be high enough. That's like a 2.5-storey bldg. vs, a 6 ft-person. There's no need for it to go higher. It would just be like a candle on a giant birthday cake.

OK...sort of just got 'confirmation' from my contact inside Ceremonies. She said, upon presentation of my guess scenario to her"...pls, I admire your creativity but if I say anything about the cauldron, it might cost me my job. Besides, I wouldn't want to ruin it for you." So...I can only infer from the very guarded tone of her reply that I think I've almost hit the nail on the head. So, we're on to something, guys.

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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

I certainly think it will be lit inside the stadium, before being moved outside, on the Northern side of the stadium.

( ... what would be the point of that ? )

just asking

Why would they not have just one Cauldron on the northern side of the Stadium, light it and leave it there ?

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( ... what would be the point of that ? ) just asking

Why would they not have just one Cauldron on the northern side of the Stadium, light it and leave it there ?

The only explanation I can think of is that the method of lighting the cauldron can only be done inside the stadium?

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So do we all agree the cauldron will be inside the stadium and that Around The Rings is right???

not until the Cauldron is lit inside the Stadium, or some believable evidence surfaces before then.

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I can't say much, but I've had strong hints from someone who knows.

It makes sense too. You wouldn't want it lit outside the stadium, because then not everyone inside the stadium would see it. But you would also want it outside the stadium so that the park could see it. Why leave a flame inside a stadium that's empty for the first week of the games?

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not until the Cauldron is lit inside the Stadium, or some believable evidence surfaces before then.

Fair enough - but if it is just inside the stadium, surely then you'd have to admit ATR had it right?

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The Sydney cauldron was lit in a pool of water at a 'low' level, then lift up onto its plinth because the 2 roof structures obstructed the view of the cauldron in its final spot on the top of the north stand. The whole stadium got to see the lighting.

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Why leave a flame inside a stadium that's empty for the first week of the games?

People will be going to see the events...NOT the flame. Having a flame there is really incidental.

If I had tickets for a 2nd day event, just because I didn't see the flame, would that lessen my enjoyment of the competition? What about the off-site soccer competition, the sailing? So are they 2nd-class events because they are not within sight of 'the Olympic flame'? :rolleyes:

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Also, the original architectural models of the london stadium ( and models shown at the world expos) showed a suspended cauldron hanging high over the centre of the Olympic stadium

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People will be going to see the events...NOT the flame. Having a flame there is really incidental.

If I had tickets for a 2nd day event, just because I didn't see the flame, would that lessen my enjoyment of the competition? What about the off-site soccer competition, the sailing? So are they 2nd-class events because they are not within sight of 'the Olympic flame'? :rolleyes:

Haha, alright, I hadn't thought of that, you're right.

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It's definitely not outside the stadium.

If that was the case there had to be evidence right now for that.

It's not on the roof I think.. we cannot find any constructions.. and also I think they need to rehearse that (like Sydney and Beijing).

So it's inside the stadium I think. Unless there really is a big surprise.

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What about a stand in cauldron in the stadium. For instance, they have the river and a small mock-up of the tower bridge appears along with the stadium cauldron. As the fire hits that part of the tower bridge mock-up, a larger cauldron on the bridge is lit. There could be two cauldrons with this method -- one inside the stadium and one outside. It also could be another landmark on the side of the Thames (eg Tower of London).

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meaning??

Meaning I find it hard to very hard to believe that, Mr Denis Oswald, one of the contenders to be elected as the new IOC President when Dr Rogge's term ends some time after these Games, has allegedly been "quoted" by some "unknown person" on ATR leaking some information about the London Cauldron - the very Games of which he is the IOC Coordination Commission Chairperson and has overseen the organisation of from the beginning.

Until concrete and believable evidence to the contrary surfaces, I believe Mr Oswald has maintained confidential the details of the London Summer Games Cauldron, including any details about it's likely location and it's visibility within the Olympic Park.

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After all the publicity and fuss surrounding the torch relay and the importance this has been given in the media and TV news since it was ignited in Greece I really think there will be a big surprise regarding the cauldron and/or the lighting, it will be something that we aren't expecting I'm sure. Who knows what is going on in that stadium today and tomorrow before the OC?

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Meaning I find it hard to very hard to believe that, Mr Denis Oswald, one of the contenders to be elected as the new IOC President when Dr Rogge's term ends some time after these Games, has allegedly been "quoted" by some "unknown person" on ATR leaking some information about the London Cauldron - the very Games of which he is the IOC Coordination Commission Chairperson and has overseen the organisation of from the beginning.

Until concrete and believable evidence to the contrary surfaces, I believe Mr Oswald has maintained confidential the details of the London Summer Games Cauldron, including any details about it's likely location and it's visibility within the Olympic Park.

Okay, fair enough. I disagree, obviously. He's just said it won't be seen outside the stadium, which really doesn't reveal too much. If he revealed how it would be lit or who lit it, then I'd be shocked. But revealing something so minor as it won't be seen outside is not grounds for shock, horror.

I am convinced the ATR article is accurate. And I believe that Oswald is the source. AND I don't believe he has done anything wrong.

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She said, upon presentation of my guess scenario to her"...pls, I admire your creativity but if I say anything about the cauldron, it might cost me my job. Besides, I wouldn't want to ruin it for you." So...I can only infer from the very guarded tone of her reply that I think I've almost hit the nail on the head. So, we're on to something, guys.

See, I'd say her response was pretty vague and didn't really give anything away at all. *shrug*

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Am I right in thinking that the last cauldron to be visible only inside the stadium would be Seoul's in 1988?

You are right. And Montreal 1976 before that.

I even think Seoul 1988 and Montreal 1976 are the only summer games with a cauldron only visible inside the Olympic stadium?

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