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Well , somebody writes that the cauldron will be lit in the middle of the stadium . If this is true , the cauldron couldn't be very tall , right ? Because the work under the platform must be very difficult , even if there's a hydraulic system which lifts the cauldron in the high. I can imagine that the top of the stadium cauldron will hang on strings , flow in the air and landet on the orbit platform ...

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Maybe putting the cauldron (whichever one it will be, the official one or a non-Heatherwick one) there is meant to block people on the orbit's deck from looking into events inside Oly Stadium?? After all, they would be getting a peek into events going on there?? So maybe a trade-off was worked out, Orbit would get the honor to 'host' a cauldron, but it will block free-loaders' view of the stadium inside??

In order to access the Orbit you need a ticket for an Olympic event in the park on that day, plus an extra Orbit ticket (£14), so not really freeloaders!

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I have always had the idea that the 'mechanism' for raising the cauldron would come out of the tor and it would lift up to the roof in a spectacular fashion! Where the culdron comes from could be the middle of the stadium where it would 'travel' somehow to meet the mechanism at the tor. It would then be fixed to the roof for the duration of the games once lit. I am probably so far off :rolleyes:

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Or maybe this platform is just here to host some cameras which would be used to film the opening ceremony, because it must have a very good point of view from that place all over the olympic park. I mean if I were cameraman I would certainly choose that place to film the firework over the olympic park for example. That's just my point of view. I would be surprised if they would put the cauldron there, that would require a big mecanism even if they wanted put a double on this after the ceremony.

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Unless there is a big in the complex network of flying wires now criss-crossing above the Stadium right across the arena , where is there a gap in the wires to allow a Cauldron to safely fit through ?

in the pic below, you can see the radial calble system that is connected from the lighting towers to the center of the arena. There is also a second cable system that runs from the north to the south of the stadium and the cables for this look thicker and capable of very heavy lifting.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Columnist/Columnists/2012/7/21/1342884994228/The-Olympic-Stadium-will--008.jpg

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Slightly off-topic in terms of this years cauldron I know, but something that's always interested me is what happens to the cauldrons AFTER the Olympics. The only one I know about is the Sydney Cauldron, which is now part of a fountain in a park nearby. Does anyone have information or even better, any pictures of other cauldrons post-Olympics?

Here are pictures of Mexico City's cauldron still in its original location on top of a Diego Rivera mural in the volcanic rock stadium in the now protected University City as a UNESCO World Heritage Site:

http://www.lospumasunam.com.mx/wiki/Estadio_Olímpico_Universitario

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Apparently NBC's Meredith Viera saw the lighting rehearsal and says that, "if they pull it off, it will go viral within minutes. It's fantastic."

Hype hype hype!

Actually it won't, because I'm sure the IOC will remove all traces of it from YouTube, at least until it happens on NBC.

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About the lighter of the cauldron... whoever gets to be so...

I've heard of Muhammad Ali's visit to London this week, can anyone comfirm?

Do we know the whereabouts of Li Ning, Nikolaos K., Cathy Freeman, Antonio Rebollo???

Do you think they got invited? Any chance they get a role in the ceremony?

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The cables are more than capable of lifting a cauldron.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17905304

I'm sure they are, but the flame would heat the cables and compromise their strength. Plus, what do you do for fuel supply?

I think you make lots of valid points here. In your scenario that caldron would be positioned underneath the tor, which is pretty likely, and the river would be the corridor leading up to it, not the most amazing idea, but doable, safe and simple. But what about the hole in the center of the stadium? What's the purpose of that?

What hole? I still haven't seen a hole. I've seen a very shallow cavity, but that's it.

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The platform seems to be new indeed (unless it's an optical illusion), but the Orbit had that red glow below its spectator platform already much earlier, when the stadium's wrap wasn't up yet:

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And folks, did you really believe they will install a flame right below the spectators' feet? By the way: What happened to Lakshmi Mittal's statement that the Orbit won't be the cauldron? I thought that this would put all that speculation about the Orbit to its final rest.

I told you it wouldn't stop 'em talking about the Orbit. Lakshmi Mittal and Denis Oswald's statements make it pretty clear it can't be on the Orbit, but people still conjecture.... I wouldn't be surprised if the Orbit factored in somehow, but it is not the site of the cauldron itself.

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Thanks and there have been many earlier photos posted weeks ago in this thread showing these wires crossing overhead the stadium :) .

There are plenty of things that are lifted and fly around during the Opening Ceremony as witnessed by people who have been to the rehearsals.

But how do you get a Cauldron through the wires? There do not appear to be any Cauldron sized gaps in the network of wires. So that would appear to rule out any notion that if there was a Cauldron inside the Stadium that it would go from ground level to roof level

--> this does not appear to be physically possible because it would not get through the wires above.

i agree with your logic. the cauldron would have to be quite large and be somehow lifted by its base... and even then, it would need to pass through and go higher than the cables.... what would lift it then? a hydraulic system pushing it up from the ground? very tricky.

so flying a caudron might not be the way.

so, it would seem they

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Well , somebody writes that the cauldron will be lit in the middle of the stadium . If this is true , the cauldron couldn't be very tall , right ? Because the work under the platform must be very difficult , even if there's a hydraulic system which lifts the cauldron in the high. I can imagine that the top of the stadium cauldron will hang on strings , flow in the air and landet on the orbit platform ...

What about the javelin and the discus? Do they just try to throw around the cauldron?

Apparently NBC's Meredith Viera saw the lighting rehearsal and says that, "if they pull it off, it will go viral within minutes. It's fantastic."

Hype hype hype!

If?

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I'm sure they are, but the flame would heat the cables and compromise their strength. Plus, what do you do for fuel supply?

Fuel supply could be light Sydney's cauldron until it rose to the top..... it held 35 mins of portable fuel

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the only other thing i have noticed is the possibility the cauldron may burst out of the Tor Hill (not up through the hole, but up out and out of the grass hill a bit lower down) -

if you look at the pic, they built the frame to the structure in such a way that there seems to be a square missing to the front of it. being an architect, i feel that it would have been easier to just square off the frame, so they have purposely made a gap to allow for something.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q530/gpsat12/01b.jpg

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Does anyone know which is the 'Podium Level' inside the Olympic Stadium ?

I'm guessing the Podium Level is the Upper Tier that encircles the Stadium, but I have no idea (or is it a special VIPs area? )

The Podium Level was from where the Cauldron was seen being tested by two Opening Ceremony performers earlier.

FDL didn't say that the cauldron was on the Podium Level. WHat she said was that they snuck into the Podium level and had a glimpse of the Lighting from there.

In order to access the Orbit you need a ticket for an Olympic event in the park on that day, plus an extra Orbit ticket (£14), so not really freeloaders!

Alright, but that still doesn't give you the full right to view an Athletics event if you have a ticket only for Basketball or Swimming or something else. That's all that I'm saying.

The Ceiling

The stadium has a ceiling of overhead wires.

Anything much larger than a person will not physically be able to get through this.

Any flame getting close to the wires will likely melt them.

I agree. They need a lot of those cables for cablecams, etc., & they can't have any snapping because it would probably compromise the whole network.

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The big problem with ideas of the Cauldron rising up from the centre hole, or anywhere inside the Stadium, is how do they get it through the complex network of theatrical flying wires currently strung everywhere over the arena ?

The big question relating to the wires is how 'James Bond' will parachute in.

When they did the little bond theme section and a helicopter appearing over the stadium during the rehearsal - I'm there staring up expecting somebody to appear (they skipped the scene) and just thinking how the hell anyone would get through the wires. It will be a tight squeeze if he does get in.

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The big question relating to the wires is how 'James Bond' will parachute in.

When they did the little bond theme section and a helicopter appearing over the stadium during the rehearsal - I'm there staring up expecting somebody to appear (they skipped the scene) and just thinking how the hell anyone would get through the wires. It will be a tight squeeze if he does get in.

Maybe he will land on the ledge above the Tor.....

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The big question relating to the wires is how 'James Bond' will parachute in.

When they did the little bond theme section and a helicopter appearing over the stadium during the rehearsal - I'm there staring up expecting somebody to appear (they skipped the scene) and just thinking how the hell anyone would get through the wires. It will be a tight squeeze if he does get in.

Really, will they do that? As you said, how do you get thru the web of wires? Plus, the stage is already set for the Green/Pleasant number. Wouldn't a parachute snag many elements of the set? I think that idea was probably...to use a pun, dropped.

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Really, will they do that? As you said, how do you get thru the web of wires? Plus, the stage is already set for the Green/Pleasant number. Wouldn't a parachute snag many elements of the set? I think that idea was probably...to use a pun, dropped.

Well, firsly the countyside gets cleared away very quickly - as it turns into the industrial revolution. That scene is AMAZING. and I was very surprised at how quickly the green/pleasant stuff got cleared away. Seriously - its crazy. The grass gets rolled up and everything dismantled. At the time of me leaving at the end the entire stage was completely cleared away. - empty.

Secondly - a helicopter appeared above - there was already the one filming - but this was another one which was lower. On the screen a VT starting playing and it only lasted a few seconds before they turned it off - but it actually looked like the boss from Spooks* - But that could have been my imagination. The lighting around the stadium went union jack colours and the Bond theme started playing. It was clear that they simply weren't going to rehearse that section and they simply moved on to the next.

*Spooks is a British TV show set in MI5 (or Mi6 - one of the 2)

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Hello! Hope all is well with everyone!

This is exciting, but like many, this waiting is killing me... hahaha!

But while on youtube, I stumbled onto this video... and at 0:08 is that a light, or is that something else... right in the middle of the stadium, flickering?

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