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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

If you'll forgive a brief reference to the past, a picture's worth a thousand words:

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The cauldron is made of bronze -- not painted black. It dates back to 1932. It was not designed for 1984 as some suggested.

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Could we stop those endless arguments about the LA cauldron? Thanks.

Exactly - it's all taste, and very, very personal. AustralianFan's view on the '84 cauldron is as valid as Athensfan's on the 2012 "Look". There's no argument that anyone can "win".

Personally, I like the LA cauldron - yes, it fits in the with Art Deco stadium. And I'm also a fan, generally, of the London Look, though I agree it's application so far has been a bit hit or miss.

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This might answer your question....136666930.jpg

( this was dated Jan. 10th of this year)

Interesting... The triangular shape fits this year's games and what a nice tribute would it be if this cauldron burns again somewhere during the games. Is it anywhere inside Wembley Stadium?

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Could we stop those endless arguments about the LA cauldron? Thanks.

That post was a picture. No argument. I see no reason why it should impede firing more shots in the dark as to the location of London's cauldron. Have at it.

In case it's escaped some people's observation, the lack of new information has resulted in an increasingly unfocused thread. That can hardly be surprising.

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So True Athensfan. I have stopped speculating about the location the design the lighting mechanism. I have resigned myself to the fact that London has just pulled off a coup of sorts. Ten days to go and we have absolutely no clue. To average viewers that's great but to people like us who are the diehards this is the equivalent of water-boarding. I check Gbids now like 20 times a day to see if someone finally got the scoop. It's making us start to foam at the mouth. lol Which is good. LOCOG gave away everything about the ceremony except the most import part and for me it makes the anticipation more exciting that the build up to Beijing.

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Inteteresting "old" and "new" looks with these photos of the 1992 Barcelona Cauldron at their Olympic Stadium which dates back to 1929. Sorry about the small size of the second photo, cant find a bigger one as yet.

I understand they had their stadium ready for a possible Olympic Games way back then but never won the bid. Beaten by Los Angeles in 1932 (i think) but I have been trawling the web to find some info to confirm this as what I have found seems to be heresay only.

A little bit more unfocussed Cauldron discussion can't hurt given London are so tight lipped :)

The question for London 2012 is if or how will they "acknowledge" or refer to their past two Olympic Games in the London Opening Ceremony?

In particular the Cauldron used in 1948 (now at Wembley) and will they re-introduce it into the Opening Ceremony somehow, perhaps to 'support' or compliment the Heatherwick Cauldron (?)

If they do, will they light it and/or bring it into the stadium ? or not even include it?

The 1908 London Games of course did not have a Cauldron as the Olympic Movement had not commenced that tradition at that point. 1992Barcelona.jpg

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Inteteresting "old" and "new" look with this photo of the Barcelona Cauldron at the refurbished Barcelona Stadium which dates back to 1929. I understand they had their stadium ready for a possible Olympic Games way back then but never won the bid. Beaten by Los Angeles in 1932

Slight correction - it was Berlin that beat them to the games of 1936, rather than LA for 32 (though they may have bid for that one as well). As a consolation prize, they got to organise some sort of "Workers Games" in 1936.

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I understand they had their stadium ready for a possible Olympic Games way back then but never won the bid. Beaten by Los Angeles in 1932 (i think) but I have been trawling the web to find some info to confirm this as what I have found seems to be heresay only.

Thanks Sir Rols for clearing that up as I had doubts about the 'heresay' authenticity of the Barcelona Stadium info I found on one of many olympic fan websites earlier today :)

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I think if the London 1948 Cauldron was to be incorporated into the Opening Ceremony, could organisers do something a little bit like Innsbruck? Perhaps we might see the original 1948 cauldron in a similar position to where it was at Wembley (perhaps below the Tor?) and see it lit at the very start of the ceremony. It could burn during the ceremony, only to have the final torch bearer take the flame from it, and light the actual 2012 cauldron. After this point, the 1948 Cauldron would be extinguished.

I like this idea, but then it leaves the 1908 Games out, you cannot acknowledge one and not the other.

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Another interesting fact re London and maybe its earlier Cauldron was that London were awarded the Games in 1944 but these were once again cancelled due to the War following the earlier cancellations first and second cancellations of the Summer Games in Tokyo and Helsinkim, each due to take place in 1940.

I'm guessing any Cauldron planned for the original 1944 London Games was then just used for the next Games which the IOC then awarded to London for 1948.

In effect, London have technically been awarded 4 Summer Olympic Games in total.
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... but I think London has only ever "won" one Olympic Games - that's 2012, which is why it was so significant. The rest were either lumped on London's lap or given by default.

I'm not sure that the 1948 cauldron was already built for 1944? The 1944 Games were cancelled years before?

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I think if the London 1948 Cauldron was to be incorporated into the Opening Ceremony, could organisers do something a little bit like Innsbruck? Perhaps we might see the original 1948 cauldron in a similar position to where it was at Wembley (perhaps below the Tor?) and see it lit at the very start of the ceremony. It could burn during the ceremony, only to have the final torch bearer take the flame from it, and light the actual 2012 cauldron. After this point, the 1948 Cauldron would be extinguished.

I like this idea, but then it leaves the 1908 Games out, you cannot acknowledge one and not the other.

That sounds very workable, and perhaps they will pay due respect to the memory of the 1908 Games in another appropriate way. Perhaps though, any Cauldron lightings might still be towards the end or at the end of the Opening Ceremony, in accordance with tradition (?)

... but I think London has only ever "won" one Olympic Games - that's 2012, which is why it was so significant. The rest were either lumped on London's lap or given by default.

I'm not sure that the 1948 cauldron was already built for 1944? The 1944 Games were cancelled years before?

Ok cool, thanks for that.

Yes was wondering that too, ie when were the 1944 Games cancelled? Most likely before the Cauldron was even thought of given the country's attention taken up with the War.

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Because Barcelona's architecture was not designed around a cauldron in the 30s it allowed for the possibility of an off-center contemporary cauldron. This would not be possible in symmetrical stadiums designed specifically with a cauldron in mind such as Athens or LA.

One thing that is interesting about London is the fact that the stadium is so open and symmetrical on not only one axis, but two, that the cauldron really could go anywhere. Adding the triangular floodlight towers complicates matters, but in terms of the raw geometry, the options are wide open.

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That sounds very workable, and perhaps they will pay due respect to the memory of the 1908 Games in another appropriate way. Perhaps though, any Cauldron lightings might still be towards the end or at the end of the Opening Ceremony, in accordance with tradition (?)

Ok cool, thanks for that.

Yes was wondering that too, ie when were the 1944 Games cancelled? Most likely before the Cauldron was even thought of given the country's attention taken up with the War.

Well London had more important things to deal with from 1939 onwards so I suspect little thought was put into the games at all - not sure when exactly they were officially cancelled but there was a war going on, they wouldn't stop building aircraft to build a cauldron.

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Having watched the video earlier of all the lightings and cauldrons since 1968, it does seem to me that the earlier ones were all obsessed with cocktail glass shapes of caudrons! My favourite lightings have been Barcelona, Sydney and Turin, my favourite cauldrons were Sydney and Beijing! :)

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Interesting thoughts in the former cauldron. I wonder... Does anyone know if the cauldron from Wembley could be moved to the Olympic Stadium? If so, a symbolic cauldron for the 08 Games and the Wembley Cauldron from the 48 Games would add something to the show for the final lighting of the cauldron.

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That's why you have back up flames following the torch around. All taken from the original cauldron in Athens. I mean, who's ro know any different, but the link back to the Athens lighting ceremony will still be there. ;)

Didn't a protester extinguish Beijing's torch during one of its international visits? In Paris iirc.

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