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Benvenuto, scoif!!

It will all work out.

I saw TO ROME WITH LOVE last week. It was corny but Rome was gorgeous in the film.

thank you!

i saw the movie too, very banal!

but rome can be even better in the reality! come to visit!

:-)

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thank you!

i saw the movie too, very banal!

but rome can be even better in the reality! come to visit!

:-)

Prego. Very predictable and NOT SO FUNNY. Woody Allen should retire already.

Have been to Rome already..last time in 1990. Was supposed to have gone again in September to visit my friend, but plans changed. Maybe when Rome gets the Olympic Games again!! ;)

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Prego. Very predictable and NOT SO FUNNY. Woody Allen should retire already.

Have been to Rome already..last time in 1990. Was supposed to have gone again in September to visit my friend, but plans changed. Maybe when Rome gets the Olympic Games again!! ;)

rome withdrew his candidacy unfortunately, we had a good chance for 2020.

the president of CONI ( italian olimpic committee) is very sad, and me too.

I will be too old for watch next games in rome, maybe in 2060.....

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I wish I was in London, as a volunteer or go and watch something. In the meantime, am in chilly Melbourne and will watch it all on tv.

Back to work next week too. Hope you have a lot of fun, as it will be good to be in London especially for these Games, I think it will be a great atmosphere around the city.

i hope too,

and sorry for this off topic :-)

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i think you need to take a chill pill too AthensFan.

Are you annoyed because we had different opinions on a particular cauldron a few pages ago ?

Just relax, people don't always have to agree. Anyway, there's more important things happening in the world right now

No, I'm annoyed at your obnoxious tone.

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Listen to the way you talk down to people. "More important things going on in the world..." Bah. There are ALWAYS more important things going on in the world than are discussed in any thread on these boards. There are always more important things going in in the world than the Olympic Games.

Do you think you're educating me, enlightening me? Putting me in my place? It sure sounds like it. What could possibly give you the idea that you should play that part here?

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What's your shortlist for the Cauldron location then sunshine? Speak up this is a forum, feel free ....

I have no clue, really. I have no "shortlist" because I like to let others do the searching for me. However, if I did have a shortlist, you better believe I wouldn't be shoving said shortlist down the throats of everyone here. I'd post it once, and then if evidence came out to support/unsupport the locations in that shortlist I would only talk about said locations on said shortlist then.

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People must be reading these exchanges and thinking this has suddenly become a norty boys playground, lol.

So sorry to the other fans reading these past few exchanges. Dont be put off by any norty boys.

This isn't true at all. I joined, and that was after reading this entire exchange of redundancy as put forward by you. If anybody is a "norty boy" here, it's you.

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Plus this isn't a place for arguments, but to find information as a GROUP

Oh there's no argument. We know with 100% certainty that the Olympic Cauldron will not be at the top of the Orbit Tower. Some norty boy keeps bringing it up though.

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Oh there's no argument. We know with 100% certainty that the Olympic Cauldron will not be at the top of the Orbit Tower. Some norty boy keeps bringing it up though.

No it won't be, but it's a POSSIBILITY and AustralianFan is looking at all the options.

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I finally made it to the brilliant Heatherwick Studio exhibition at the V&A today - I would strongly encourage anyone interested in art or design to go along.

I enquired about the model of the Cauldron that will be we wheeled out following the Opening Ceremony. The lady there remained tight-lipped, but told me that she'd seen 'part of it', and that I must come back to see it because 'it's going to be beautiful'. Not a lot of clues to go on, but the Cauldron has at least her approval.

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What seems obvious is that not too long after London's successful bid in 2005 people would have got round the table to discuss major 'Games' items. Among these would have included the manner of lighting the cauldron given the position from Barcelona onwards where increasingly different/novel methods have been employed. What nobody knows is whether a decision on this was made prior to the stadium design being finalised or not. Let's concede that it could be more difficult to design a retro cauldron/lighting later on and superimpose this on a stadium which could not be readily modified. Let's also recognise that the cauldron and its lighting method are increasingly seen as intrinsically linked. The days when someone designed a bowl and all that was required was for a flight of steps or an elevator to be added seem long gone. The announcement that Heatherwick was designing the cauldron (just the surround of the burner itself?) was made public in 2011..that does not mean his studio was not involved on this project long before that date.Surely his studio would have liaised with the stadium designers at an early stage if only to know what the means of supporting any cauldron would be. Given the nature of his many designs it seems barely credible that he would have agreed to design the 'bowl' if its means of support were in the hands of a third party which could massively detract from his own design. Keeping things secret are part of the modern games and it seems to me that some underground silo or compartment could have been incorporated into the stadium design early on. An alternative is for a prefabricated tower to be erected outside the stadium even during the evening of the ceremony: crane technology would allow for this.

Having said all this I realise these comments do not move things forward much if at all....I really think we are going to see something completely different this time in London both in terms of the cauldron and it's lighting. It's the most deeply symbolic moment of the opening ceremony and the Heatherwick studio will have been well aware of this. Looking at a portfolio of their many designs over the years you are struck by their flair and originality. Prepare yourself for a series of beautiful 'moments' on 27 July.

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welcome jack B. OK, this is the old chicken-or-the-egg conundrum insofar as doing a sensible stadium-cauldron scenario...

1. It's either the Sydney (probably the Egg way)...when Ceremonies maestro, Ric Birch, was on board right from the start. He had conceived Sydney's lighting even before Sydney won the Games (kept it close to his vest all during the bid process); and as soon as Sydney won, he worked with the stadium's architects so that his vision was incorporated into their plans. (Sochi's, it seems, might be following Sydney's m.o. because the original roof design was supposedly halted or replaced until they could think of a unique Lighting scheme. So it remains to be seen on Sochi.)

2. All the others (the Chicken way). Stadium came first. They did NOT work with any Ceremonies/production people previously to concieve a unique lighting; thus, everything, like London now, is post-facto.

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I'd say the decisions would be taken side by side - the cauldron lighting and position would certainly have been in mind in selecting the stadia, even if they didn't know then how it would happen.

Thanks AussieFan for all the pics - hadn't seen a few of the Winter ones especially. Is there any video online of the Lake Placid one - the only clip I've seen pretty much cuts straight from them lighting it to it hitting the top. Also had to laugh last night after recent discussions here when the BBC named Muhammad Ali lighting the flame in Atlanta 1996 as the greatest Olympic moment - but they sped up the clip so the lighting actually looked a lot more effective.

Back to Torino and the fireworks effect - I agree that was one lighting I didn't like as the flame appeared to make no contact with the cauldron. Athens did something similar for the 2004 Paralympics - and did it better IMO and in such a way they could possibly argue the flame did travel to the cauldron. I think Sydney used a similar technique for their Paralympics but I can't find the vid (Paralympic Cauldron lighting vids are almost non existent on Youtube!)

Maybe if London do something we've kind of seen before they might have perfected the comet approach with the flame seemingly of it's own free will reaching the cauldron. My gut instinct though is with the secrecy surely it can't be anything too risky - David Cameron's permission or not.

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2. All the others (the Chicken thing). Stadium came first. They did NOT work with any Ceremonies/production people previously to concieve a unique lighting; thus, everything, like London now, is post-facto.

Not so sure about that. Beijing definitely had the lighting in mind. Do u all remember the original plans for the stadium during the bid process. It looked nothing like the plans they had after they won the bid and i am talking like the next day the stadium design changed. Cauldron fit so seamlessly with the architecture of the stadium and you have to add the branding with the scroll Idea with the torch which also fit with the paper theme of the ceremony. Personally I think Sydney changed the game with the whole designing a stadium for your cauldron. For Athens I believe it was too late in the planning phase for them to pick up on that. construction would have started on their stadium before they could take notes from sidney but Beijing definitely did and I bet 1 billion dollars so too did London.

From what I see I think we are going to see a seamlessly fluid opening ceremony with a Cauldron lighting that ties everything together. The fact that we still don't know where and how is a testament to the fact that this has been in the forks from the start seeing the foundation for whatever it is has already been in place.

Another point here is LOCOG knows they can't compete with Beijing on the size and scale of their ceremony but they sure can be innovative

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Not so sure about that. Beijing definitely had the lighting in mind. Do u all remember the original plans for the stadium during the bid process. It looked nothing like the plans they had after they won the bid and i am talking like the next day the stadium design changed. Cauldron fit so seamlessly with the architecture of the stadium and you have to add the branding with the scroll Idea with the torch which also fit with the paper theme of the ceremony. Personally I think Sydney changed the game with the whole designing a stadium for your cauldron. For Athens I believe it was too late in the planning phase for them to pick up on that. construction would have started on their stadium before they could take notes from sidney but Beijing definitely did and I bet 1 billion dollars so too did London.

From what I see I think we are going to see a seamlessly fluid opening ceremony with a Cauldron lighting that ties everything together. The fact that we still don't know where and how is a testament to the fact that this has been in the forks from the start seeing the foundation for whatever it is has already been in place.

No. Zhang Yimou was NOT yet picked when they put their stamp on the Herzog-de Meuron design of Bird's Nest. The only thing that supposedly, Zhang was able to add to the stadium design was the 20-foot scrim which went around the lip of the stadium (to be used for projections). To me, the while scroll idea was a post-stadium-conception idea which jelled, luckily for the CHinese, almost seamlessly with the whole Scroll theme. (Y do u htink they started everything at 8-08-08? :lol: ) However, still a good 2/5ths of the stadium was NOT ABLE to witness the actual lighting of the flame. I DON'T call that far-sighted planning.

The other previous LIGHTINGs have been seen by everyone in the stadium...even in Barcelona when altho the cauldon was behind us, we still saw that arrow fly through the night air, and with just a little turning of the neck, saw it light the cauldron before our eyes. Many thousands in Beijing (and I guess Torino) were denied the actual lighting moment. They could only watch on the jumbotrons.

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