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Fair enough - it just smacks of them knowing. It wouldn't have surprised me if they briefed the broadcasters beforehand, so they had some idea on biographical details, etc.

Anyway, back to the cauldron - instinctively, the Orbit would be the best place to have it. But given it has been ruled out on so many occasions, it is hard to see the Orbit having anything to do with the cauldron.

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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

Fair enough - it just smacks of them knowing. It wouldn't have surprised me if they briefed the broadcasters beforehand, so they had some idea on biographical details, etc.

They're given the details of the ceremony about 2 days before, but the details of the cauldron lighter are usually passed out, by hand, during the ceremony, with the commentators feigning surprise when they see the final torchbearer pop out of hiding.

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Fair enough - it just smacks of them knowing. It wouldn't have surprised me if they briefed the broadcasters beforehand, so they had some idea on biographical details, etc.

Anyway, back to the cauldron - instinctively, the Orbit would be the best place to have it. But given it has been ruled out on so many occasions, it is hard to see the Orbit having anything to do with the cauldron.

Ruled out by some on this thread, doesn't mean anything as it is not a case of the majority rules, We are all on the outside after all and not on the real Cauldron organising team,

Just looking at the evidence of that monster tower now outside the Stadium - love it or hate it. It will be either on that or a separate external structure I am guessing.

They're given the details of the ceremony about 2 days before, but the details of the cauldron lighter are usually passed out, by hand, during the ceremony, with the commentators feigning surprise when they see the final torchbearer pop out of hiding.

I highly doubt if anyone in the media is given any details of the final torchbearer before it actually happens. The media are not known for keeping secrets secret.

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Actually, I've gone back and watched a few of the ceremonies I have on VHS (those old, ancient things) - Ann Sanders knew all the details in Nagano of all the torchbearers, including Midori Ito. In Athens, they knew every detail - including the biography of Nikolaos Kaklamanakis. I reckon, they must get some notice - even if by 15 minutes.

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Actually, I've gone back and watched a few of the ceremonies I have on VHS (those old, ancient things) - Ann Sanders knew all the details in Nagano of all the torchbearers, including Midori Ito. In Athens, they knew every detail - including the biography of Nikolaos Kaklamanakis. I reckon, they must get some notice - even if by 15 minutes.

Well, #1 - some, or most of them, have already been invited to the rehearsals...so they are NOT tongue-tied on the actual night.

#2 - For inexplicable stuff, they are issued notes (or in China's case, an adviser by the side) to intepret stuff that needs a lot of explaining. As for the final lighter's ID, yes, that is probably in the press kit they get shortly before the show. But professionals that they are, they know how to be discreet with their forehand knowledge if only to properly serve their audience the right way.

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They may well get profile information on the final batch of torchbearers to assist their commentary, but I don't think the Olympic organisers would dare risk a media leak by actually telling them who the secretive final one was ahead of it actually happening.

While there are a lot of media who are responsible, sensitive to these things and can be trusted, there will always be some who would sell their mother to get an early scoop, if given half a chance..

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Yes, actually, and the other one on my shortlist. We are all mere mortal armchair experts - in other words, we know nothing.

We simply do not know what has been ruled out by the Cauldron team,

Well by that logic you could argue that there will be cauldrons in every previous Olympic host city around the world -- after all "we don't KNOW."

Common sense rules out the Orbit. I don't need Danny Boyle to confirm it for me.

This is a random question re: the person who lights the flame - do the media get told prior to the event who is lighting the cauldron? Because I was just watching the Sydney opening ceremony again, and Channel 7's Sandy Roberts made a comment during the parade of nations when the camera shows Cathy Freeman. He says, "Is this going to be her games...in more ways than one?" Actually, now I think about it, the Sydney Daily Telegraph announced the cauldron lighter in Beijing as Li Ning...while the footprint fireworks were taking place!

Careful -- Swiss O will get mad at you. Cauldron location's ONLY!! No mention of cauldron lighters allowed. :rolleyes:

Is it true of the story that Cathy Freeman was shivering backstage from being soaking wet and no one offers her even a towel?

Swiss O will be livid!

Well, #1 - some, or most of them, have already been invited to the rehearsals...so they are NOT tongue-tied on the actual night.

#2 - For inexplicable stuff, they are issued notes (or in China's case, an adviser by the side) to intepret stuff that needs a lot of explaining. As for the final lighter's ID, yes, that is probably in the press kit they get shortly before the show. But professionals that they are, they know how to be discreet with their forehand knowledge if only to properly serve their audience the right way.

Still more discussion of cauldron lighters!!! What are these boards coming to??!! Oh, the deterioration!!

Tongue firmly in my cheek with regard to all of the above.....

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Well by that logic you could argue that there will be cauldrons in every previous Olympic host city around the world -- after all "we don't KNOW."

Common sense rules out the Orbit. I don't need Danny Boyle to confirm it for me.

I don't know if it will be on the Orbit or not either

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They may well get profile information on the final batch of torchbearers to assist their commentary, but I don't think the Olympic organisers would dare risk a media leak by actually telling them who the secretive final one was ahead of it actually happening.

While there are a lot of media who are responsible, sensitive to these things and can be trusted, there will always be some who would sell their mother to get an early scoop, if given half a chance..

Who was Kakalamanakis or whatever his name was? Especially with not-so-well known names...and tongue-twisters, I would think you would want your commentators to be a little familiar with that when the lighter shows up...otherwise, some buffoon commentator could just mangle the name and start playing puns on the unknown lighter's weird name. So I believe they release the name(s) beforehand only to forestall some malaprop incident from happening.

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Who was Kakalamanakis or whatever his name was? Especially with not-so-well known names...and tongue-twisters, I would think you would want your commentators to be a little familiar with that when the lighter shows up...otherwise, some buffoon commentator could just mangle the name and start playing puns on the unknown lighter's weird name. So I believe they release the name(s) beforehand only to forestall some malaprop incident from happening.

They can release biography and name info on the final group torchbearers without actually telling the media who the secretive final one is.

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Who was Kakalamanakis or whatever his name was? Especially with not-so-well known names...and tongue-twisters, I would think you would want your commentators to be a little familiar with that when the lighter shows up...otherwise, some buffoon commentator could just mangle the name and start playing puns on the unknown lighter's weird name. So I believe they release the name(s) beforehand only to forestall some malaprop incident from happening.

That was a special situation. Costas Kenteris and Katerina Thanou were in that motorcycle accident and were rumored to have had some shady dealings with their drug testing. Kenteris was widely expected to be the cauldron lighter until news of the scandal broke just a day or two before the ceremony. It has never been proven, but many people suspect Kaklamanakis, the windsurfer, was a last minute replacement. Therefore it's reasonable that the media didn't get much warning.

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They can release biography and name info on the final group torchbearers without actually telling the media who the secretive final one is.

That was the case in Torino. We knew the 8 last torchbearers, but not who was the last one of them.

They're given the details of the ceremony about 2 days before, but the details of the cauldron lighter are usually passed out, by hand, during the ceremony, with the commentators feigning surprise when they see the final torchbearer pop out of hiding.

The details are only giving to the media?

In Torino, yes Torino again, they put the media guide online. I hope for London they will do that too. Not before, but after the ceremony.

I'd like that kind of media guides.

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I think the Ceremonies team will succeed in keeping the cauldron lighting a secret until the Ceremony itself, as the dress rehearsals will be run in 'real time' i.e. the lighting at midnight... but the audience will be kicked out at 10.30 to make sure they can get home on public transport. (It's a pain the backside for the remaining cast who will be in the stadium until after public transport ends.)

So keep on guessing, it'll be a surprise to almost everyone!

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I think the Ceremonies team will succeed in keeping the cauldron lighting a secret until the Ceremony itself, as the dress rehearsals will be run in 'real time' i.e. the lighting at midnight... but the audience will be kicked out at 10.30 to make sure they can get home on public transport. (It's a pain the backside for the remaining cast who will be in the stadium until after public transport ends.)

So keep on guessing, it'll be a surprise to almost everyone!

They kick out the audience out half-way through the rehearsals? But don't they need the audience also for audio checks? Or is it sufficient for them to have them in the stadium only for the first 90 minutes? And aren't there any segments after the 90 minute mark where they need the audience for some stunts -- for example a segment where they have to switch on flashlights from their spectator kits? ;)

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They'll be in the stadium for three hours nevertheless - how is that possible? Didn't you say that the rehearsals will be run in real time? That would mean that they start at 9 p.m., unless they include the pre-show as well.

By the way, even if they'd let the audience in the stadium throughout the whole rehearsals, I very much doubt that they would see the cauldron lighting. Rehearsals for previous opening ceremonies always stopped at the point before the first of the last torchbearers entered the stadium - or (as it was the case in Beijing, I believe) shortly before the next-to-last torchbearer passed the torch to the last torchbearer.

In Beijing, for example, the German TV commentators said shortly before the torch was passed to Li Ning that "we don't know what comes next, this is the point where the rehearsals stopped."

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I think the Ceremonies team will succeed in keeping the cauldron lighting a secret until the Ceremony itself, as the dress rehearsals will be run in 'real time' i.e. the lighting at midnight... but the audience will be kicked out at 10.30 to make sure they can get home on public transport. (It's a pain the backside for the remaining cast who will be in the stadium until after public transport ends.)

And there's no guarantee that the remaining cast will see it either. They might send us home right at that moment... and then carry on themselves! Hope not.

I would LOVE it if they did put something on top of the Orbit in the preceeding days of the rehearsals, everyone goes AHHH told you so and then gets taken down on 27th and was all a ruse.

I really do hate to say this (since I know ALL the reasons why it can't be on the Orbit) but from the Royal Box/VIP seats, it does loom fairly largely over the stadium and is very very visible.

They kick out the audience out half-way through the rehearsals? But don't they need the audience also for audio checks? Or is it sufficient for them to have them in the stadium only for the first 90 minutes? And aren't there any segments after the 90 minute mark where they need the audience for some stunts -- for example a segment where they have to switch on flashlights from their spectator kits? ;)

A lot of it is to do with transport. The Tubes etc aren't running late until Opening night so they are kicking the audience out so that they can all get home. Otherwise, you have 70,000 people trying to get on three night buses from Stratford bus station. And yes, it does mean that the audience leaders won't get to rehearse everything with a live audience. As for how they test stuff that will happen post-audience leaving, that's what they use the cast for during the final rehearsal hours on occasion.

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From what I remember, weren't Beijing's cauldron lighting rehearsals held in the dead hours of the morning? Like 3 or 4 am?

Though I believe some English-speaking broadcaster managed to be flying over the stadium when the cauldron was alite and somebody here posted a screenshot.

But I don't see why London wouldn't do that to ensure the most secrecy.

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Was hoping the Daily Mail might reveal more about the cauldron when they revealed it would be extinguished while Darcey Bussell and 300 ballerinas danced as it happened (or something like that). But nothing really, except for the constant "one cauldron" idea.

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They'll be in the stadium for three hours nevertheless - how is that possible? Didn't you say that the rehearsals will be run in real time? That would mean that they start at 9 p.m., unless they include the pre-show as well.

By the way, even if they'd let the audience in the stadium throughout the whole rehearsals, I very much doubt that they would see the cauldron lighting. Rehearsals for previous opening ceremonies always stopped at the point before the first of the last torchbearers entered the stadium - or (as it was the case in Beijing, I believe) shortly before the next-to-last torchbearer passed the torch to the last torchbearer.

In Beijing, for example, the German TV commentators said shortly before the torch was passed to Li Ning that "we don't know what comes next, this is the point where the rehearsals stopped."

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- Usually the stadium is not full at the rehearsal

- They are not doing the rehearsal during 3 hours, but half of that as they will not do the rehearsal for the Athletes Parade !

- They usually stopped the rehearsal when the first torch bearer enters the stadium !

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- They are not doing the rehearsal during 3 hours, but half of that as they will not do the rehearsal for the Athletes Parade !

On the final dress rehearsal of the 25th, they have the placard and the flag bearers march in so they get used to the cadence of the portion; and so they know where to stand/proceed afterwards.

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They'll be in the stadium for three hours nevertheless - how is that possible? Didn't you say that the rehearsals will be run in real time? That would mean that they start at 9 p.m., unless they include the pre-show as well.

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- Usually the stadium is not full at the rehearsal

On the final dress rehearsal of the 25th, they have the placard and the flag bearers march in so they get used to the cadence of the portion; and so they know where to stand/proceed afterwards.

I was fortunate to be at Sydney's and Athen's first dress rehearsals both of which were packed to capacity.

Each time the dress rehearsal went for around 3 hours or so but it was exciting and interesting and the time just flew by, even with stops and starts. The announcer warned the audiences that the rehearsal may have pauses and re-runs in it as they tested, reviewed and re-adjusted timings and things. Sydney had more stops and starts than did Athens, approx. 6 to 8 from memory.

But in Sydney at the first rehearsal, they did not stop the rehearsal when these two props glitches occurred:

  • the big colourful "Gidday" banner ripped apart horizontally as it dropped down from the overhead wires soon after the opening horses segment,

  • during Vanessa Amorosi's singing "Heroes Live Forever", the big white flag for the overhead projections ripped almost completely across it's width as it appeared to get snagged on the end balcony in the stands just before it was passed down in almost two pieces over the heads of the school children in centre field.

I understand that both these segments and the dress rehearsal overall went off without a hitch at the second full dress rehearsal.

During the Tues night rehearsal in OC week, Athens had the woman with seemingly 'mental issues' scramble up from the audience screaming like crazy and physically attacking Polish DJ Tiesto soon after the practice Parade of Nations began.

School children pretended to be the athletes when they did the Parade of Nations at each of the Sydney and Athens first dress rehearsals.

Both Sydney and Athens rehearsals ended immediately prior to the point the first torchearer was due to enter the Stadium. I wasn't at Beijing but sounds like they too held separate secretive torchbearer segment rehearsals.

Sydney actually stopped the rehearsal briefly at 10.30pm to announce that those audience members who wanted to make train connections on certain lines should leave now. I distinctly remember a pause of about 10 mins or so while a big chunk of the audience then left before the rest of us diehards stayed on and lapped the rest of it up.

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