baron-pierreIV Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Mechanical fireflies, darling. It's Heatherwick. How phony would that be? I don't think that would pass muster with the IOC. Plus, PETA would be all over you like a cheap suit, mechanical or not. The London Cauldron lighting will be B I G Don;t forget the other critcal clue to the London 2012 Cauldron is that this might be the first Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony where the permission of the Prime Minister had to be obtained in order for the Caudron lighting to proceed. That sounds to me like an ignition that is highly unconvetional to what we have seen in the past with Cauldron lightings and and perhaps aerial related, something that might infringe the airspace above and around the Stadium (?) That's just misinformed hyperbole by someone who doesn't know his elbow from his ass. If anything, it would be the London Fire Marshall's permission that would be needed; not the PM's. Since when was the PM's time taken up for something merely ceremonial...which his underlings or other departments can do. There's so much stuff going on on that roof that it's unbelievable if they can find a free 300 cubic square feet to accommodate a cauldron....which is why...I think... they're extending that ledge inwards to accommodate something shooting flames there. Edited July 16, 2012 by baron-pierreIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob. Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I still think there's been some muddling here. I think the PM's approval was given for the whole ceremony when Boyle and his team asked for a substantial budget increase. I don't think Cameron specifically gave permission for the cauldron placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Like you, I also don't know if that earlier report was true about the PM's approval. But if it did have some truth in it, and if Prime Minister Cameron has indeed been involved in giving high level government approval for London's Cauldron lighting method, then it is highly likely that national laws / landmarks / heritage sites (?) will be infringed, not just local fire marshall jurisdiction. But a national landmark is landmark; I mean even a PM can't change it. So if you think a landmark is involved, then maybe we're back to thinking Big Ben or Tower Bridge? But I doubt that a PM can change the rules for lighting those. I still think there's been some muddling here. I think the PM's approval was given for the whole ceremony when Boyle and his team asked for a substantial budget increase. I don't think Cameron specifically gave permission for the cauldron placement. Yeah, I think it was that. And which is how, supposedly, they got double the budget. Was just thinking...why is Boyle leaving out the John Profumo-Christene Keeler chapter from the show? That's one of my favorite chapters of British history!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonProud Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hi all Been reading this forum for years but only just joined - so be kind Loving all the speculation as to the cauldron, I know it is never gonna happen but the top of The Shard always features in my fantasy location. I know it is never gonna happen but it could be seen for miles around! Can't wait for 27 July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus16 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 hi, been reading this thread with great interest for a while, and it seems to me as it may seem to many others that regarding the PM's permission etc, (btw, i believe a cauldron of any sort whatsoever would require fire marshall approval) that there is a distinct possibility ( and i really hope so) that the cauldron could be a ring of fire around the roof of the stadium, this is supported by those 2 segments of the roof lit up, in one of the latest photos, this could act as a form of countdown cock to the lighting. Of course i could also be completely and utterly wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 God no, please not another wick/ pulley method eg Atlanta & Beijing. They are the laziest and most unimaginable method ever. I agree -- Atlanta's being far worse than Beijing's. Since it followed on the heels of Barcelona's magnificently conceived cauldron lighting it looked especially pitiful in comparison.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec E Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ok so I have been reading the post and trawling through a lot of photos and posts and I think that I might have the answer Anyone else noted that those circular objects on the roof actually move as in float into the stadium. Maybe I am wrong and I live inToulouse so can't actually see the stadium in real life, but if what I think is what will happen, would be so cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 there is a distinct possibility ( and i really hope so) that the cauldron could be a ring of fire around the roof of the stadium, this is supported by those 2 segments of the roof lit up, in one of the latest photos, this could act as a form of countdown cock to the lighting. Of course i could also be completely and utterly wrong What would Heatherwick have to do with a simple ring of fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec E Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Sorry forgot to add, there are five of them and they are positioned in the olympics rings kind of fashion 3 on one side and 2 on the other It's not one ring though it's 5 and if they are still in basic form who knows, wouldnt take long to bolt on other pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinetic Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 What are those blue boxes? I'm 80% certain they're housing the motors that drive the various aerial hoists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian.br Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Someone posted this on the the skycrapper forum: http://planning.london2012.com/upload/publicaccessODAlive/OLY-OLF-APP-DWG-PDZ3-SSU-PAR-001%20%282268%29.pdf The pipeline installation proposal: http://planning.london2012.com/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=LUOZKFSZK0000&searchtype=WEEKLY Don't know if it's official though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec E Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 or for the fireworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeyb Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Just posted this on Skyscraper I'm sure there is a big X or + mark where the cauldron is meant to go on the plans, look close between the pods, I can't post the picture because it wont let me so here is the link to the topic on Skyscraper. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1471792&page=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian.br Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I don't they would mark the spot that way. It would be too obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeyb Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Well it links in with the plans and what Adrian posted in the opening ceremony topic, he said he thinks he has seen where the cauldron is going, lots of activity outside the stadium at the tor end of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo27 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Bienvenido, Galileo!! #1 - Your English is fine!! Most of us are used to an int'l forum so we give allowances to non-English speakers. Don't worry about it! Thanks baron-pierre!! ,) Welcome Galileo27 I'm not sure if you know that the London 2012 Cauldron designer is contemporary sculptor Thomas Heatherwick. Forming the Olympic rings in flames is not really a sculpture that he can claim design credit for. It's highly likely that he will have designed a unique London Cauldron, one that has never been seen before. Besides Athens with the rings onthe water (not the Cauldron) Los Angeles 1984 also had the fiery Olympic rings as the flame travelled up to their Cauldron. Fire running down the walls of the Stadium sounds very unsafe for the spectators inside but yes, we can expect something spectacular from Heatherwick. hey, thanks!... i forgot Heatherwick.. well i have no clue haha... but i'm sure that is not going to be something in the orbit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Everyone's obsessed with the location. What about the shape and the colour? Any guesses? Edited July 16, 2012 by Kenadian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Everyone's obsessed with the location. What about the shape and the colour? Any guesses? Yeah. The tickets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian.br Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I believe it's gonna be golden, following the torch pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethnalGreen Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Everyone's obsessed with the location. What about the shape and the colour? Any guesses? I like the small cauldron that they use for the Torch Relay evening celebrations. Gold coloured with a bit of platinum I think. Maybe the main cauldron will be similar?? Edited July 16, 2012 by BethnalGreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekkie Boy Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 So piecing together the info I'm going to say we'll have the athletes on both sides of the "river", which will be lit, taking the flame up to the Tor which then rises to either form the cauldron or somehow pass the flame to an external cauldron. That is probably all too obvious though, so my second guess is that the cauldron has been hidden under Boris Johnson's wig since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDLondon Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 but the top of The Shard always features in my fantasy location. I know it is never gonna happen but it could be seen for miles around! Except when you have the wettest summer on record when the top of the Shard is quite often shrouded in cloud! So my second guess is that the cauldron has been hidden under Boris Johnson's wig since 2008. Just as well he got re-elected then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY20?? Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 It'd be nice if this cauldron actually ends up looking like a cauldron. You know, a bowl or container shaped. There hasn't been one like that since Salt Lake (Beijing's was more of a large candle, if that makes sense). But seeing as Heatherwick is the designer, it's probably going to be very sculptural and something that dosen't look like its suppose to hold a flame when it isn't lit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Except when you have the wettest summer on record when the top of the Shard is quite often shrouded in cloud! I know it isn't nice, but that made me laugh a bit. Imagine the flame burning 300+ meters above the city...and not a soul being able to see it because it is shrouded in clouds. Ohhhhh, I hope the weather improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroamorim Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 my cauldron concept's based on a chimney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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