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It's only a hint if they say it's a hint. Not saying anything means it could very well be nothing (as you suggest). That throws enough doubt on the whole subject to keep people guessing (witness this conversation). So its really not giving away anything.

I agree. Perhaps the intent is for the normal ticketholder (i.e. not us gamesbids folk) to say, "OMG! The ticket is a picture of the cauldron! I was holding it this whole time and had no idea!"

Regardless of how unlikely the idea of a mosaic type cauldron is, I think it would be the most unique and innovative to date. I would really love it if they went with this route. They could "assemble" and light it (or light it and assemble it) then move it easily to an outside location easily for the duration of the games.

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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

I keep thinking about the interview Heatherwick did and him saying that the cauldron and the actually lighting would be a "moment". That he was trying to capture a moment............

It's probably a paper sculpture. That's a moment!

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That image came from SOMEWHERE. Nowhere else has LOCOG incorporated a mysterious abstract graphic that seems to have no connection to any other part of the Look. Whether or not the ceremony tickets reflect the cauldron, I still think there is some significance to their design. It's just too intentional.

I'd also like to note that all the tickets do not look like trumpets, so I don't really give credence to the idea that it's just a generic, celebratory, abstract graphic.

Soprano FanFare Trumpet:

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Melody Fanfare Trumpet:

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Herald Fanfare Trumpet:

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The ceremony ticket images posted earlier look very much like Fanfare Trumpets from different angles and creatively presented in different ways, for example, one of the tickets looks like a bunch of trumpets (flowers) looking from overhead.

Of all the cities in the world, London is the Queen of Fanfares and they will have had several especially written

for these Ceremonies.

The ticket design flavour is also very much in line with the main London Olympic Logo which is 'alive' and contemporary.

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I keep thinking about the interview Heatherwick did and him saying that the cauldron and the actually lighting would be a "moment". That he was trying to capture a moment............

I think that's just the way artists talk. Technically, all cauldron lightings are "moments"... the moment the last torchbearer(s) touch(es) the ignite the big bowl of gas. I wouldn't read too much into what Heatherwick says will be a moment.

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Hi all - posted on here many years ago (last time either before Torino or Beijing!!!), but can't remember what my username was so created a new account.

Just wanted to say, I doubt I've been this excited about a cauldron lighting - well, outside of when I was 9 years old and I lived less than 10km away from Stadium Australia. I hate surprises, so I've always read this in the past - probably since Athens, definitely since Torino - to try and ascertain how they'll light the cauldron.

I just got back from London, and it was the question always on my mind.

But it truly does seem a mystery so far, it's quite amazing. I'm very excited to see what will unfold. I hope this is a moment, as Heatherwick has suggested.

I know some are saying that the fact Cameron has given his approval doesn't mean much, but to me it is very significant. I very much doubt they would have thought of getting permission from Sir William Deane or John Howard in Sydney, or from Bill Clinton in Atlanta. Hu Jintao in Beijing? Perhaps. But I still doubt it.

It suggests to me it could be something on a scale we haven't seen before. I'm hoping it eclipses the lighting of the cauldron in Barcelona and Sydney - still the two pinnacles if you ask me.

We'll see. Also, as someone who is looking at British sport objectively, the only three people who've crossed my mind to light the cauldron are Roger Bannister, Steve Redgrave and Tom Daley. The former two because they are such great sportsmen, and the third because he represents the future of Britain's Olympians. I did read someone who thought he may be too old now, but he's only 18. Still so young.

I highly doubt Beckham would do it. Did hear someone suggest they thought the Queen would do it, given it is her Diamond Jubilee. But I highly doubt that too, she's already opening the games and surely they want to go for someone with sporting ties. The other name I did hear thrown about was Aung San Suu Kyi - reckon she should carry the Olympic flag if she's in Britain but the cauldron lighter should be a Brit...

Anyway, sure you'll see me pop up again in the next few days.

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The custom of "celebrities" carrying the Olympic flag is a rather new thing started with Salt Lake City and is basically a Winter Games thing. Salt Lake and Torino had international guests, whereas Vancouver went with famous Canadians. It gets a bit hokey after a while. Britain has a wealth of sports stars so I think they could and should keep with the tradition of former Olympians bringing in the flag. It has been 64 years since the Olympic flag and flame were heralded on British soil, so there are plenty to choose from.

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The custom of "celebrities" carrying the Olympic flag is a rather new thing started with Salt Lake City and is basically a Winter Games thing. Salt Lake and Torino had international guests, whereas Vancouver went with famous Canadians. It gets a bit hokey after a while. Britain has a wealth of sports stars so I think they could and should keep with the tradition of former Olympians bringing in the flag. It has been 64 years since the Olympic flag and flame were heralded on British soil, so there are plenty to choose from.

Ooops, scratch that. I misread Kenadian's post. He talks about "the"Olympic flag.

Yes, the non-sports celebrities thing started with Salt Lake. Correct. I don't know why I misinterpreted it as the various national flags.

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What about Jessica Ennis as the final torchbearer? I think that a woman would be the best choice to light the cauldron.

If it were a woman it should be Kelly Holmes or Paralympian Tanni Grey Thompson. This time around, however, I think the men are more deserving. I don't see any woman who has that magical Cathy Freeman quality this time around. That was such an excellent choice, btw...

To be honest, Jessica Ennis falls pretty far short of the appropriate sporting pedigree.

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OK, back on topic...

What if that James Bond helicopter thing that was thrown about a while back is for the flame? Something crazy like that would require input from high ups like the PM.

What are the plans for the torch relay on the day of the Opening Ceremony? For Vancouver, they ran it through the city and it ended at the Aboriginal Pavilion a few hours before the ceremony. The flame was then brought into BC Place Stadium for the big 'moment' several hours later.

Maybe it will stop at Buckingham Palace and then be 'coptered in in daring fashion?

Or Beckham kicking a flaming ball?

From Buckingham to Beckham?

Who knows? But this is a big mystery and anything farfetched wouldn't be all that farfetched at this time.

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Hey, Guys... this is not a thread on Opening Ceremony & the lighting of the flame... but one about the Cauldron's location....

So any new idea ????

Do you have something to say about the cauldron location, O? By all means, go ahead. Otherwise the answer to your question is "no."

The title of the thread is "London 2012 Olympic Cauldron." The identity of the person who lights it fits in just fine -- certainly well enough to justify a handful of posts.We're not talking about the whole Opening Ceremony here. Heatherwick's comments about the lighting being a "moment" and getting the PM's permission could easily be location-related, but we don't know how.

If you really just want to read about cauldron locations. You'll just get a pointless recap of the unsubstantiated guesses that already take up many, many pages in this thread. No one knows. We've voiced our guesses. Until there's some sort of breaking story we have nothing else to say on that subject.

What do you have to contribute?

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What are the plans for the torch relay on the day of the Opening Ceremony? For Vancouver, they ran it through the city and it ended at the Aboriginal Pavilion a few hours before the ceremony. The flame was then brought into BC Place Stadium for the big 'moment' several hours later.

It's being taken down the Thames on Gloriana, the Diamond Jubilee barge, in the morning and then staying at Tower Bridge for the rest of the day until it's transported to the Stadium that night; that part hasn't yet been announced.

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OK, back on topic...

What if that James Bond helicopter thing that was thrown about a while back is for the flame? Something crazy like that would require input from high ups like the PM.

What are the plans for the torch relay on the day of the Opening Ceremony? For Vancouver, they ran it through the city and it ended at the Aboriginal Pavilion a few hours before the ceremony. The flame was then brought into BC Place Stadium for the big 'moment' several hours later.

Maybe it will stop at Buckingham Palace and then be 'coptered in in daring fashion?

Or Beckham kicking a flaming ball?

From Buckingham to Beckham?

Who knows? But this is a big mystery and anything farfetched wouldn't be all that farfetched at this time.

Incidentally, this post doesn't subscribe to O's request for cauldron location discussion. You're still talking about "how" (helicopter) and "who" (Beckham) -- not where. So you're no more "on-topic" (in O's opinion) than the brief conversation about Jessica Ennis. Not that I have any problem with that....

All that sounds a bit far-fetched to me. It may be extremely unusual, but I think it will still operate on the level of human scale (rather than a rocket from an aircraft targeting the cauldron).

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Do you have something to say about the cauldron location, O? By all means, go ahead. Otherwise the answer to your question is "no."

The title of the thread is "London 2012 Olympic Cauldron." The identity of the person who lights it fits in just fine -- certainly well enough to justify a handful of posts.We're not talking about the whole Opening Ceremony here. Heatherwick's comments about the lighting being a "moment" and getting the PM's permission could easily be location-related, but we don't know how.

If you really just want to read about cauldron locations. You'll just get a pointless recap of the unsubstantiated guesses that already take up many, many pages in this thread. No one knows. We've voiced our guesses. Until there's some sort of breaking story we have nothing else to say on that subject.

What do you have to contribute?

SwissO's posting was perfectly justified. We have a different thread in which we already discussed back and forth who could be the final torchbearer. This thread is indeed about the cauldron itself. And even if we have no new ideas where it could be and what it could look like, we should stick to this topic here and not open a second final torchbearer discussion here.

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And as you said a few posts up...there's no news.

Each cauldron is not only different in its design, but also in its 'purpose', as it were. The cauldrons for Los Angeles, Barcelona, Atlanta, Salt Lake, Athens, Torino were all visible before the Opening Ceremony, so they were sort of a goal post at the end of their respective torch relays. The Calgary, Sydney and Vancouver cauldrons were hidden away until their 'moment', shrouded in a bit of mystery.

Clearly, LOCOG wants this to be a 'big reveal' so I don't think we are going to find out anything until that very last moment. Certainly, in an age of social media and wide spread speculation on the Internet, they are making the most of their 'moment' and the times they live in.

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Since the London cauldron is constructed elsewhere, they will probably not be able to hide it until the very last moment (especially not if it's the external structure most participants in our poll are expecting). I bet pictures will leak when it will be transported from northern England to London -- unless they hide it in some sort of container. ;) In Baron's ceremonies book there's a picture of Salt Lake's tall cauldron being transported on a freeway to Salt Lake, without a major covering. I hope they'll do it similarly this time. ;)

Furthermore, they have to test it. Unless it's in the stadium, those pictures will probably leak, too.

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I'm about to ask a very stupid question.

Are we certain the cauldron will be at the Olympic Stadium? Or even at the Olympic Park?

Here's why I ask: back during the Queen's Jubilee, during the events in front of Buckingham Palace, I could not help but marvel at the size and shape of the reviewing stand at Traflagar Square and it occured to me it looked for all the world like a cauldron. Now, obviously, it wasn't, but it's just something to noodle over. Could the final site of the cauldron end up being some place like extremely public and iconic like in Trafalgar Square? More that one person has suggested the cauldron moving or more than one location involved in the lighting.

At this point, I'm slinging whatever mud I can against the wall because I have absolutely no clue what they even have in mind anymore.

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I think I may have seen the site - there is something strange - not sure if it's been completely built or whether it's half finished - for obvious reasons - I can't say anything else!

Exiting ! I will arrive this friday in London.... almost ready to head to John Lewis at Westfield in Stratford to try to see it from the last floor of the building....

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I think I may have seen the site - there is something strange - not sure if it's been completely built or whether it's half finished - for obvious reasons - I can't say anything else!

Note to self: keep eyes peeled on the way to/from this weekends' rehearsals!

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@mattperiolat - I think that's one of the essential questions. Yes, there will be a cauldron at the Olympic Stadium. The Olympic Charter says something like the flame must be lit in front of the audience in the stadium, and visible outside, if possible. So do you suppose London will do a Vancouver with a ceremonial cauldron in the stadium and a permanent cauldron elsewhere? I had proposed the idea of a mobile cauldron a while back. This is possible. Vancouver's outdoor cauldron was very popular with the public, with thousands lining up to snap photos of themselves in front of it. They messed up with the hideous fence, but whether by design or by accident, they ended up with huge engagement. London organizers would have seen that and have commented on it.

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