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Hello All,

Have been reading this thread for a while and enjoying the speculation!!

Thought i would add my idea....

Have any of you considered use of some kind of goodyear or similar heavy lift type blimp?

Imagine you could float it in to position high up in the air on the night, hook it up to an anchor cable/s (with a fireproof section half way up the cable.

a delicate design of cauldron could be winched half way up the cable with some kind of flexible gas line to the ground.

with the right lighting at night / colours of the line and blimp, it could almost appear to float in mid air

if it doesnt happen this games, i copyright the idea for the for future :P

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The tor is such a gigantic structure, and well-finished it is bound to stay there throughout the ceremony. Not sure about the tree, but if the tree is removed (or at least will be lifted up that is for sure given the vertical wires), what will replace the tree then?

From those pics where you can see two men in high vis vests under the tree, that oak is enormous - and given it doesn't look that out of place on the tor, that must be pretty massive too.

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They are probably finishing things now because 5 weeks is not a hell of a lot of time. Especially if you have to practice and test things. Plus the grass and plants are real. Vancouver's ceremonies team took ownership of BC Place Stadium in November of 2009. They had the benefit of a roof to cover things and a less elaborate stage than what London is preparing (but still, an elaborate enough stage when compared to cloth and sand coverings from previous years).

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Now we know the five rings will most probably be flying around, it made me wonder could the cauldron be forged in similar patterns and perhaps the most obvious location for the cauldron then is in the centre of the roof, hovering above the field supported by the wires? When no signs of possible construction outside the stadium, one can only look in now. :)

Paul65 i think suggested previously a Cauldron cantilevered over the edge of the stadium, supported by a structure external to the stadium hovering over the centre of the arena above the wires.

However, I wouldn't have thought the wires themselves would support the continued weight of a Cauldron Kevzz as they are for flying and lifting props and people around during the ceremonies.

Welcome MIddleway too.

These are creative ideas but gaslines to anything above the centre of the arena, including a Cauldron on a blimp would not be practical and visually detract from the Cauldron itself.

The question is, are the foundations of an external Cauldron structure already long in place under a removable lid of concrete or similar disguise?

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So last summer games I was the first on skyscrappercity.com to figure out that the Beijing Cauldron was going to be a scroll (pats self on back, you can find the evidence by going through the beijing cauldron archives) anyway this cycle i have no idea. even with all the released info on the ceremony I have no idea how this is about to unfold and I am really enjoying the guessing game. from seeing the images it has all the makings of something that can be epic even surpassing Beijing on an Impact scale or it could be miserably boring and disjointed a la Torino. I am going to go out on a limb here lol pun intended to agree with those who believe the tree is the cauldron. However Though I think the illusion would be nice I think the religious implications of the Burning Bush might be too insensitive for a global organization. Seeing the leaves shed and the trunk rise with the branches spewing fire might be interesting but again I really have no clue about the cauldron or the ceremony possibilities. I think for the first time this will be a ceremony that non of us would get right before we actually see it.

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Perhaps the slight nod to Athens is the tree coming apart in a later segment changeover ?

No, Adrian already confirmed that the slight nod to Athens he was talking about were the presence of water (there's a pond or something similar in those meadows for the opening segment) and the tree on the Tor (a nod to Athens' Paralympic opening).

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On another note, the stadium model shows a very contrasting bell stage at the other end. It looks like a very stark stage with just the bell and oddly, a mirror-like curved wall behind. All eyes are on the tree and the tor, but will the bell stage have other purpose? The mirrored wall is a bit fishy to me

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Just thinking here... we see the Thames River will have a 'representation' during the OC with the water 'flowing' into the stadium. Just thinking outside the box here, could a gas line or something be hidden in the water of the river to have the flame flow out of the stadium to wherever the cauldron may be hidden outside of the stadium?

Would be a nice way to put Steve Redgrave in a boat again to light the cauldron at any rate.

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Yeah this sounds really great ... A boat which flows into the stadium with the flame on it ... This would be perfect and the both ceremonies of Athens and London would be perfectly linked :) just imagine this atmosphere: the stadium gets totally dark, all the audience lights their lamps and a boat flows into the stadium... Thames gets lighten by the floating boat like the stadium floor on the DNA Section in Athens

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When it comes to the meadow then ... No idea :)

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On another note, the stadium model shows a very contrasting bell stage at the other end. It looks like a very stark stage with just the bell and oddly, a mirror-like curved wall behind. All eyes are on the tree and the tor, but will the bell stage have other purpose? The mirrored wall is a bit fishy to me

That mirrored wall just seems to be a placeholder for the video screens in that model. The stadium model is rather simple and they probably didn't want to take the effort to replicate the video screens there. The other end with the Glastonbury Tor also has that mirrored wall.

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I am going to go out on a limb here lol pun intended to agree with those who believe the tree is the cauldron. However Though I think the illusion would be nice I think the religious implications of the Burning Bush might be too insensitive for a global organization. Seeing the leaves shed and the trunk rise with the branches spewing fire might be interesting but again I really have no clue about the cauldron or the ceremony possibilities. I think for the first time this will be a ceremony that non of us would get right before we actually see it.

Hi Alphamale86, and welcome. The ideas for the Cauldon lighting are starting to come forward as the next 4-5weeks tick by. I'm stumped too about its likely location. I agree that the London organisers are doing a superb job of keeping its Cauldron and method of lighting secret. The clues are very few.

The proxmity of a flaming 'Cauldron Tree' in the stands and its current placement right in the middle of spectator seating which will presumably be used during the athletics competition makes me think that it wont be there, especially with a sizeable flame blowing around on a windy day (and I can't see London going for a 'small' flame). That location is also right in front of the scoreboard and jumbotron that will also be used later. There are however some sort of what appears to be lifting wires above the Tree in the pics on this thread. Will it transform into something else later in the OC?

Just thinking here... we see the Thames River will have a 'representation' during the OC with the water 'flowing' into the stadium. Just thinking outside the box here, could a gas line or something be hidden in the water of the river to have the flame flow out of the stadium to wherever the cauldron may be hidden outside of the stadium?

Would be a nice way to put Steve Redgrave in a boat again to light the cauldron at any rate.

Welcome too Mattperiolat. and yes Steve Redgrave would be a great choice as the final torchbearer. I was lucky enough to see him (and the crowd go wild) that historic morning in Sydney 2000 at the Penrith Regatta Centre when he won another rowing gold medal at his 5th consecutive Olympic Games.

I too think that the Cauldron wil be somewhere outside so that the masses can see, as well as most inside the Stadium. Following the path of the Thames inside the Stadium to a location outside the Stadium is a distinct possibility. I suppose any method of lighting where the torchbearer is physically tranposrted or moves outside the Stadium to the ignition point is going to deprive the spectators, VIPs, etc that dramatic moment and resign them to looking at it on the big screens (one of which is currently obscured by the Tree).

If I was a betting man I would go for odds on an external Cauldron Tower and the lighting sequence initiated from within the Stadium. We're keenly looking for preparation works outside the northen end of the Stadium where gas lines were identified in a previous planning document. This is also outside the same end of the Stadium where the Tree currently is inside.

Earlier there was speculation that the foundations/anchor points for a pre-assembled Cauldron tower structure (or even the Tower itself) have perhaps been cleverly hidden outside the Stadium a long time ago, perhaps during the early Stadium construction stages.

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Thomas Heatherwick gave this interview in Dezeen which I believe the first interview about the cauldron design. You get some 'keywords' and clues from him about the cauldron!

"It's not just a thing, it's a moment. It's the most public moment you can possibly do. Danny Boyle is a moment designer, he designs moments.... it's an idea"

http://www.dezeen.com/2012/06/15/movie-thomas-heatherwick-on-his-top-secret-design-for-the-olympic-cauldron/

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He certainly gave nothing away with that. And I mean, every cauldron is linked to a moment, namely to the moment when it's lit. So that is nothing new actually.

At least he confirmed that they won't present the cauldron model at the V&A Museum before July 27. I just ask myself whether the cauldron's looks will still be a complete secret by then. It actually can't since they have to test it.

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You can that Sydney's and Beijing's lightings were not really "moments" because those lighting sequences were rather long compared to others, so I can see what he might mean by that.

Also, it sounds like he did indeed have some say in coming up with the lighting sequence and it wasn't a matter of Boyle's team telling him to design a cauldron to accomodate the sequence they already thought out.

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I'm not sure if I should treat his words "the most public moment one can possibly do" with suspicion. The first thing that came to mind is the caildron(s) will also be lit outside the stadium, in city, all over UK hence the most public moment ever.

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Hello all,

Been reading this forum for some time, being both a huge Olympic ceremony fan and one of the thousands performing in the London 2012 OOC. Without giving anything anyway, I've got a good idea of what's happening in parts of the ceremony and the moments leading up to the lighting will be beautiful.

Anyhow, at the risk of reading too much into what Heatherwick says, I'd take note of the Government approval for the 'moment'. Is that approval because of the cost, or because of the solution? I really don't know... although we all will in 41 days.

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Really interesting thing to say on his part. The UK is a free and open society, I don't think Danny Boyle and his team would need hard approval from the government for any artistic decisions they take with the ceremony... It sounds like they are doing something that would otherwise be illegal somehow, weird...

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Well, we do know the ceremonies team went to government for an increase in the budget. They had to show some of the ideas they were proposing in order to get that. That's probably all he means.

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Well, we do know the ceremonies team went to government for an increase in the budget. They had to show some of the ideas they were proposing in order to get that. That's probably all he means.

Yup - that's how I read it too. That presumably some of the extra £41m went to making the Cauldron lighting a 'moment' rather than just a 'mo'

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I went to the Heatherwick exhibition on Friday. Its fantastic, some great insights into his work, theres a lot crammed in. Absolutely nothing on the cauldron, no teaser or anything. I couldnt even see an empty plinth unless the piece as you enter which isnt that inspirational will move after the ceremony when a model of it appears.

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I went to the Heatherwick exhibition on Friday. Its fantastic, some great insights into his work, theres a lot crammed in. Absolutely nothing on the cauldron, no teaser or anything. I couldnt even see an empty plinth unless the piece as you enter which isnt that inspirational will move after the ceremony when a model of it appears.

Davey it will go by the entrance on the right (huge black void there @ mo)!

I was a little underwhelmed by the exhibition - everything cramed into one small space - laid out like a junk shop! There some great stuff in there but it all was badly curated IMO!

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Did you get to crank your own exhibit guide. She gave me one, I said I want to crank my own and she said sorry you cant. I wasnt happy after that : ( I did love the Christmas cards

Ive also decided not to visit the ceremony/cauldron forums anymore, I know too much already and want lots of suprises on the night.

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