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Just a crazy idea, and sorry if this has been discussed yet, but isn't it a bit unusual to have the world's biggest bell only to ring it once? What if that thing turns over just before it's lit? As I said, just a crazy idea.

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Just a crazy idea, and sorry if this has been discussed yet, but isn't it a bit unusual to have the world's biggest bell only to ring it once? What if that thing turns over just before it's lit? As I said, just a crazy idea.

Ha! I like this idea! That would be a really cool way to disguise its location! Not sure how likely it is though, doesnt seem very Heathereick to me, but you never know.

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OK, idea for how they will light at least ONE cauldron. In the foto taken last August, there was a little ramp which had a globe which rolled down the ramp. (So, yes, apparently, it was ceremonial testing then.)

Look at that ramp leading to the center hole /\/\/\. So it looks like, one of those zorbs will be lit at the south end of the ramp. The lit zorb will then meet a cauldron rising from the center hole. (Frankly, the whole sequence doesn't sound all that exciting to me.)

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Just a crazy idea, and sorry if this has been discussed yet, but isn't it a bit unusual to have the world's biggest bell only to ring it once? What if that thing turns over just before it's lit? As I said, just a crazy idea.

You crazy SOB, I was just wondering about that myself! Technically, I think it's too difficult, but a cool idea.

Anyone else looking at these photos and keep getting that nagging feeling that we're missing something?

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Hey everyone, long time lurker, first time poster.

I've been trying to read up on all the speculation so far on the cauldron design (there's a lot in this forum and others, so I apologize if I get something wrong), and I was just thinking to myself: "If I wanted to build a tall tower for the cauldron (if indeed there will be a tower), have it remain hidden, and appear during the OC in some dramatic fashion, where would I put it?"

I thought I was the first to think of this, but it turns out Citizen-Seth (from a late April post) beat me to it. The stadium is surrounded on three sides by a modified waterway to create the Stadium Island. If I wanted something spectacular and surprising, I'd have the tower rise up from the water. Whether the cauldron would already be on the tower or would make its way to the top of the tower somehow is another debate. Personally, I would love it if the cauldron could first be seen by EVERYONE in the stadium (not even Beijing accomplished that), then it somehow gets up to the tower/permanent location for everyone outside.

Now I'm just going to throw out two "out there" ideas. The "tower" could use a similar mechanism as Heatherwick's rolling bridge, meeting another "tower" halfway up, creating an arch over the footpaths. Or running with the arch over footpaths idea, the base could be triangular in shape, each side rising from the water and meeting to create a triangle that may even lean toward the stadium (the hypotenuse is the waterway in this instance).

Unfortunately, the audience in the stadium wouldn't see the tower rising out of the water. As much as I love the idea, it doesn't seem dramatic enough to just see that happen on the jumbo screen in the stadium and only see the top appear above the lights after it's been rising up for a while.

As an engineer, I want to see an ingenious mechanism for the cauldron and tower. As a filmmaker, I want the cauldron lighting to be dramatic and elegant. Sydeny's OC came close to achieving a good balance, but the technical difficulties made it feel too mechanical. Athens' was elegant, but a bit too simple for my taste. Beijing was too drawn out (the running in the air part) and wasn't a "good show" for the TV audience compared to the stadium audience. I hope London can achieve as near-perfect a cauldron lighting as possible, and Heatherwick seems like the man to do that.

P.S. Sorry for the long post.

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Hey everyone, long time lurker, first time poster.

I've been trying to read up on all the speculation so far on the cauldron design (there's a lot in this forum and others, so I apologize if I get something wrong), and I was just thinking to myself: "If I wanted to build a tall tower for the cauldron (if indeed there will be a tower), have it remain hidden, and appear during the OC in some dramatic fashion, where would I put it?"

I thought I was the first to think of this, but it turns out Citizen-Seth (from a late April post) beat me to it. The stadium is surrounded on three sides by a modified waterway to create the Stadium Island. If I wanted something spectacular and surprising, I'd have the tower rise up from the water. Whether the cauldron would already be on the tower or would make its way to the top of the tower somehow is another debate. Personally, I would love it if the cauldron could first be seen by EVERYONE in the stadium (not even Beijing accomplished that), then it somehow gets up to the tower/permanent location for everyone outside.

Now I'm just going to throw out two "out there" ideas. The "tower" could use a similar mechanism as Heatherwick's rolling bridge, meeting another "tower" halfway up, creating an arch over the footpaths. Or running with the arch over footpaths idea, the base could be triangular in shape, each side rising from the water and meeting to create a triangle that may even lean toward the stadium (the hypotenuse is the waterway in this instance).

Unfortunately, the audience in the stadium wouldn't see the tower rising out of the water. As much as I love the idea, it doesn't seem dramatic enough to just see that happen on the jumbo screen in the stadium and only see the top appear above the lights after it's been rising up for a while.

As an engineer, I want to see an ingenious mechanism for the cauldron and tower. As a filmmaker, I want the cauldron lighting to be dramatic and elegant. Sydeny's OC came close to achieving a good balance, but the technical difficulties made it feel too mechanical. Athens' was elegant, but a bit too simple for my taste. Beijing was too drawn out (the running in the air part) and wasn't a "good show" for the TV audience compared to the stadium audience. I hope London can achieve as near-perfect a cauldron lighting as possible, and Heatherwick seems like the man to do that.

P.S. Sorry for the long post.

I also mentioned that too, btw welcome!

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Boring idea - but does anybody know if the cauldron from 1948 is still in existence? Perhaps London could - to some capacity - be considering an Innsbruck?

Yes greenandblue! It´s based at Wembley.

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Hey everyone, long time lurker, first time poster.

I've been trying to read up on all the speculation so far on the cauldron design (there's a lot in this forum and others, so I apologize if I get something wrong), and I was just thinking to myself: "If I wanted to build a tall tower for the cauldron (if indeed there will be a tower), have it remain hidden, and appear during the OC in some dramatic fashion, where would I put it?"

I thought I was the first to think of this, but it turns out Citizen-Seth (from a late April post) beat me to it. The stadium is surrounded on three sides by a modified waterway to create the Stadium Island. If I wanted something spectacular and surprising, I'd have the tower rise up from the water. Whether the cauldron would already be on the tower or would make its way to the top of the tower somehow is another debate. Personally, I would love it if the cauldron could first be seen by EVERYONE in the stadium (not even Beijing accomplished that), then it somehow gets up to the tower/permanent location for everyone outside.

Now I'm just going to throw out two "out there" ideas. The "tower" could use a similar mechanism as Heatherwick's rolling bridge, meeting another "tower" halfway up, creating an arch over the footpaths. Or running with the arch over footpaths idea, the base could be triangular in shape, each side rising from the water and meeting to create a triangle that may even lean toward the stadium (the hypotenuse is the waterway in this instance).

Unfortunately, the audience in the stadium wouldn't see the tower rising out of the water. As much as I love the idea, it doesn't seem dramatic enough to just see that happen on the jumbo screen in the stadium and only see the top appear above the lights after it's been rising up for a while.

As an engineer, I want to see an ingenious mechanism for the cauldron and tower. As a filmmaker, I want the cauldron lighting to be dramatic and elegant. Sydeny's OC came close to achieving a good balance, but the technical difficulties made it feel too mechanical. Athens' was elegant, but a bit too simple for my taste. Beijing was too drawn out (the running in the air part) and wasn't a "good show" for the TV audience compared to the stadium audience. I hope London can achieve as near-perfect a cauldron lighting as possible, and Heatherwick seems like the man to do that.

P.S. Sorry for the long post.

I like this idea, but if the cauldron is to be hidden right now, wouldn't we have seen something going on in the river by now?

But it would be an awesome sight to see a cauldron rising out of the water, and hanging over the stadium.

I'm also starting to think the idea of the "perfect lighting" isn't possible. Sydney's was near perfect, except for the mechanical glitches. Athens was elegant but not dramatic enough, and Beijing's wasn't visible to everybody in the stadium and as it's been said before, it dragged on. I think we've got to figure out what will fit with the flavor or taste of the London Ceremony, which of course we won't know until July 27, probably not until the moment the torch comes into the stadium.

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How do they want to hide an about 60 or 70-metres-tall cauldron in those canals? Furthermore, how do they want to prevent it getting rusty or at least muddy before it rises up during the opening ceremony?

No, it's impossible.

But in the end, it's getting more and more mysterious where the cauldron will be. Even an internal cauldron at the northern end of the stadium must probably be ruled out because there's the stage now -- and I don't expect a cauldron to rise from there due to the screen.

A cauldron in the centre field is possible for the opening ceremony itself, but not practical for the rest of the Games. So the cauldron had to be transferred elsewhere anyway. Furthermore, I still think that that stage isn't high enough to hide an even only slightly impressive cauldron.

A cauldron tower at the original location (north of the stadium) is also almost impossible -- unless they're hiding its location by a fake catering pod, but I doubt that.

The Orbit won't be the cauldron for all the reasons mentioned.

So where will it be then?

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I think a cauldron coming out from water would remain inmediately Sydney´s ligthing. This image is too fresh in our memories to do that just two version after the first time. I don't like the idea of an internal cauldron like Seoul '88. I think this time cauldron has not deal with water to be ignited. After Sydney we have seen many cauldron on the water: Rio 2007 Pan American Games, the cauldron was a sun cirsular shape rolling on a waterfall, Special Olympics in Shangai, also in 2007, was a ring shape cauldron into the water, YOG Singapore cauldron, too...

A firework display have been seen many ocations so far (Athens Paralympics, Torino 2006, Guangzhou Asian Games)

For me on the best lighting ever was just made by "man force" with the arrow in Barcelona 1992. Epic!!!!

In Athens the cauldron has the torch shape in giant. Beijing was something similar, scrolled paper as the torch, and in Guadalajara Panamerican Games, the main cauldron at Omnilife Stadium was a cauldron version of the torch...

So far, one the most elegant cauldron desing for me is Salt Lake one!!!!

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I broke the bank almost and took my elderly energetic Olympic fan Mum to Sydney's Games (who would get ahead of me sometimes) with her walking stick and her dodgy hips (months later, both hips replaced), and we both loved it form begining to end. She always said it was one of the best times of her life and the fanstastic volunteers took her under their wing, with me supporting the 'star', lol, in tow at each venue. It was a 2.5 hours train ride every second day in and out of Sydney to attend the Games from our caravan park in Moss Vale, 3 hours from central Sydney. Food, drinks, backpacks and folding stools loaded in my backpack for us, but we had such a good time that it felt weightless. At aged 80 & weeks after her big birthday bash, we lost her a few days before Christmas last year. This week I've flown from Melbourne to Perth when this morning at 10am we're laying her ashes to rest (first time I could get the family in one spot since). Last night while sorting through her stuff, I found her yellow Opening Ceremony schoolcase that all audience members got at Sydney's OC on their seat. Mum would have loved your visonary idea and the passion and creativity of the other posters on this thread as well.

Best regards guys, Philip

Thanks for sharing that, Mate. It was a wonderful and touching remembrance, and it brought me to tears (still sniffling as I write this). I lost my Mum, who was living in Mittagong just up from Mossie, just a few years back and I remember how proud and emotional and excited she was during the 2000 games. She never went (she never liked leaving the house much), but I remember her ringing me right after the Opening Ceremony on actually crying in emotion herself, and so happy and proud for Cathy Freeman. Sigh! My sincere condolences - our Mums will always be in our hearts!

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Thanks for sharing your story AustralianFan. The OC in Sydney really created a memorable moment, with the whole OC not just the cauldron, that I think no one will ever forget.

In regards to the feasibility of the cauldron/tower rising from the canals, here are my thoughts from what a few people brought up:

  • I don't know the depth of the canals, but the water doesn't seem very clear (looking at pictures and Google Maps), so that seems to be perfect for masking something. As long as the canal is at least 3 to 4 meters deep, divers could easily work under the cover of water. And since they've locked down the area recently (if I recall correctly), it provides the perfect opportunity to move into place.
  • We don't need to see any commotion around the canals yet. If they really want to keep a secret, they would float the tower in pieces underwater to the correct location. No one would be the wiser that the tower could be travelling in the river. Assembling structures underwater isn't unheard of, but it is trickier and more expensive than assembling on land. If the tower is prefabricated and tested off-site, they could conceivably assemble it the week of the OC, run last minute checks on it, and it's good to go.
  • There are plenty of ways to protect metal from water for long enough. If the correct material and coating are chosen, the tower could be already sitting in the canal just waiting for the OC.
  • Dirt is the main problem I can think of. The longer the tower sits underwater, the more gunk will build up on it. And since the canal looks pretty dirty to begin with, dirt would build up quite quickly.
  • A single pillar cauldron would probably be quite small based on the length of the canals (once you account for bridges being in the way). That why I'm thinking beyond one pillar. And even if it is one pillar, it could be telescoping.

The possibilities are beyond imagination for hiding the cauldron in the canals, and the technology exists already. And the possibilities are similarly beyond imagination for other locations.

I say if they do everything right, they could potentially keep everything secret, and we wouldn't known anything until the OC. That's what I'm hoping for.

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