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Oh I didn't realise! I don't really mind where it is as long as the lighting is spectacular. However it must be near or on the stadium, but not in it

Plus I also watched the one show today and was very excited when they mentioned the cauldron and he kept replying "maybe" incredibly frustrating!

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It'll be very exciting and interesting if come the beginning or middle of July, nothing that could be a cauldron has begun construction anywhere outside the stadium.

Not knowing how the cauldron look likes would be a first since Sydney.

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The inner lip of the Stadium roof looks to flimsy to support a Cauldron. It would also then be in too similar position as Beijing's so not desirable. Possibly the outer edge of the Stadium roof may well support one but all those triangular light towers would interfere with looking at such a Cauldron,

Any Cauldron inside the Stadium would have to rise up to a high enough position to be seen by those outside as well. As SwissO said earlier, since the athletics competition does not start until the second week you can't imagine the Cauldron having been lit to be then hidden for the first week.

A Cauldron tower external to the Stadium then has the challenge of being seen by many of those inside the Stadium. With less than 70 days to go, images of possible Cauldron tower foundation or assembly work might "slip out" via some means or another if the Orbit is not to be the supporting structure and rise up further from that.

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This idea is my favorite so far, as unlikely as it may be.

that would involve the lighting tower just simply tipping forward on the lip of the stadium roof. A creative idea but perhaps not a big and grand enough statement for the London organisers :)

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maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it's still possible to have fire actually go all the way around the stadium and up the lighting rigs. look at the inner ring of the the roof. dosnt that look like pipes? gas lines?

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The upper tiers and the roof of the London Stadium is temporary and thin. So there are very strong engineering reasons why the London organisers are highly unlikely to have any sort of Cauldron on the roof - it is not strong enough to support a grand Summer Olympic Games Cauldron.

Any Cauldron on London's temporary Stadium would have to be so small and light that it would be hardly noticeable. It would look like a tealight candle.

The thin temporary roof is supported by that network of metal supporting struts. There are also triangular supporting struts on the roof, separate from the triangular lighting towers, which anchor the many flying wires which right now criss cross above the Stadium's arena. So expect lots of flying theatrical moments during the Opening Ceremony.

After the London Games, the roof and the top tiers of the Stadium will be removed and its capacity will be dramatically reduced in publicly announced legacy plans.

London's Stadium roof is very different to the permanent very strong and thick roof of Beijing's Stadium roof which supported a big Cauldron.

To set ablaze the whole roof as a circle or crown of fire above a Stadium full of people to itself become the Cauldron, or the fireball pathway to one, would be a nightmare safety scenario on a permanent stadium, let alone the thin temporary roof which is London's.

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Hi guys, Im new to this forum and I am so excited about the olympics! I have a proposal of where the cauldron might be located. You have disccused whether a cauldron could be located outside the stadium however this is not very viable as there are few places in which the cauldon could be located opposite the VIP area which would be too close to the orbit and the catering pods. So I started to think inside the stadium, and as it is Thomas Heatherwick designing the cauldron I think there will be some sort of mechanism involved in the cauldron, moving it from out of view, into full view for the spectators and the only place in which this could occur is if it is being built behind the huge TV screens inside the stadium and during the ceremony these TV screens can be moved apart and the cauldron canbe moved into full view,only an idea but I think that they seem to be hiding it and no contruction has occured outside stadium. :D what do you think ???

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Hi guys, Im new to this forum and I am so excited about the olympics! -------- :D what do you think ???

Hi TJ18, WELCOME to the forum.... where you from mate?

Your proposal is definately a logical one, given that so far we have not seen any suspicious construction near, in or around the stadium. But hey, the opening ceremony is still quite a few weeks away.... so we might see a "quick to assemble" cauldron appear over night. Maybe it will be in three pieces and they put it together during the ceremony. Still hope it is not attached to the Orbit.

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So I started to think inside the stadium, and as it is Thomas Heatherwick designing the cauldron I think there will be some sort of mechanism involved in the cauldron, moving it from out of view, into full view for the spectators and the only place in which this could occur is if it is being built behind the huge TV screens inside the stadium and during the ceremony these TV screens can be moved apart and the cauldron canbe moved into full view,only an idea but I think that they seem to be hiding it and no contruction has occured outside stadium. :D what do you think ???

Hi TJ18, I too think that your idea has a lot going for it as that area around that "indented" area of the Stadium where the scoreboard and large tv screen is located does look suspicious.

The concern I have is that in order for the Cauldron to also be highly visible from outside the stadium which is now standard practice at Summer Olympic Games, such a Cauldron would have to rise up to an incredible height from that area and above the top of the Stadium to be seen from outside.

That is why there has never been such a Cauldron at an Olympic Games that has risen so high and completely vertically from inside a Stadium and also to then be visible to those outside once it reached its final position.

Sydney's rose up vertically only a very short distance, then was winched at about a 45 degree angle up the tracks in the Stadium to the top, then was lifted vertically a very short distance to its final position.

In London, there is also that complex network of flying wires now strung in all directions across the top of the Stadium arena that would make it difficult for an uprising flaming Cauldron to pass through in order for it to be visible from outside.

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Thanks TorneoBlu, you're right they still have alot of time to assemble a cauldron outside and they will probally leave it till the last few weeks, I am from England btw, so I am really excited about this summers games! and yes we do have a while to wait yet till some info leaks about exactly where the cauldron will be located.

If it is a cauldron inside the stadium, by the tv screens is the only availiable room, either that or it would be a tall structure standing in the stadium but as AustralianFan says that would be too risky with the all the wires for the opening ceremony.

Maybe it is an outside cauldron, I just hope that it is not on the orbit, as the two designs would clash and look out of place.

I they have the cauldron in three peices they will be coping a scene from athens, but it would look cool. Outside the stadium three is few places for the cauldron to go, so Im stuck. :wacko:

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I think we're all stuck :) . I'm sure the London Cauldron will look very much at home - whether it rests on a separate structure, integrated into the Orbit Tower or somewhere else.

If we cannot visualise something, does not mean it is not going to happen anyway and surprise us all.

We dont know what Heatherwick's design for the Cauldron is so we can't know if it will clash with anything.

But whereever it is, I am expecting Heatherwick's Cauldron to be amazing, uniquely London's and very much the stunning beacon of these London Games. The Organisers wouldn't have it any other way.

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The upper tiers and the roof of the London Stadium is temporary and thin. So there are very strong engineering reasons why the London organisers are highly unlikely to have any sort of Cauldron on the roof - it is not strong enough to support a grand Summer Olympic Games Cauldron.

Any Cauldron on London's temporary Stadium would have to be so small and light that it would be hardly noticeable. It would look like a tealight candle.

The thin temporary roof is supported by that network of metal supporting struts. There are also triangular supporting struts on the roof, separate from the triangular lighting towers, which anchor the many flying wires which right now criss cross above the Stadium's arena. So expect lots of flying theatrical moments during the Opening Ceremony.

After the London Games, the roof and the top tiers of the Stadium will be removed and its capacity will be dramatically reduced in publicly announced legacy plans.

London's Stadium roof is very different to the permanent very strong and thick roof of Beijing's Stadium roof which supported a big Cauldron.

To set ablaze the whole roof as a circle or crown of fire above a Stadium full of people to itself become the Cauldron, or the fireball pathway to one, would be a nightmare safety scenario on a permanent stadium, let alone the thin temporary roof which is London's.

bukit jalil national stadium already used fireball running trough stadium roof in sea games 2001

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Ring if fire NOT going to happen. At the Innsbruck YOG in January, they only lit the 3 cauldrons for like 1.5 minutes--not even until the end of the ceremony, in order to be economical and environmentally sensitive. What more an idiotic, completely hazardous "ring-of-fire" idea? :blink: Please, people, get sensible!!

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A cauldron beside or even behind one of the TV screens? That's not going to happen -- then they couldn't use the TV screen anymore. And they definitely need two screens in the stadium, one for the TV pictures and the other for the scoreboard. Additionally, the roof is above the TV screens respectively it's almost above the area in front of the TV screens. So an extendable cauldron would get in the way of the roof. Or, to use the old Vancouver horror scenario, it would burn it. ;)

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Ring if fire NOT going to happen. At the Innsbruck YOG in January, they only lit the 3 cauldrons for like 1.5 minutes--not even until the end of the ceremony, in order to be economical and environmentally sensitive. What more an idiotic, completely hazardous "ring-of-fire" idea? :blink: Please, people, get sensible!!

Ha ha ha - you ain't got a clue!!!

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