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Interesting that the cauldron is on display again, especially with the official consent by Thomas Heatherwick. Wasn't his idea originally that the cauldron should be ephemeral and the only things left permanently over should be the individual petals sent home to the participating nations? I guess he and/or the former ceremonial team realised that its's not exactly a dignified use for the base of a former Olympic and Paralympic cauldron is not if it catches dust in some warehouse or wherever they had stored that base in the past two years.

And that also raises the question what will happen to the cauldron after the exhibition at the Museum of London. Or will the cauldron stay there as permanent exhibit?

from what i can gather, the petals are actually the back-up test petals. so the idea is still there. i was hoping they turned into fountain like what they did in sydney2000. but i do hope it has a place in the QE olympics park

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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

what will happen to the cauldron after the exhibition at the Museum of London. Or will the cauldron stay there as permanent exhibit?

From the Museum's website, it seems it will:

"a new home for the London 2012 Cauldron will tell the story of this iconic symbol"

From July 2014 a new home for the London 2012 Cauldron will tell the story of this iconic symbol of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. - See more at: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/london-wall/whats-on/exhibitions-displays/the-london-2012-cauldron-designing-moment/#sthash.5zjUlQQA.dpuf
From July 2014 a new home for the London 2012 Cauldron will tell the story of this iconic symbol of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. - See more at: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/london-wall/whats-on/exhibitions-displays/the-london-2012-cauldron-designing-moment/#sthash.5zjUlQQA.dpuf
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There was a lot of discussion between Heatherwick Studios, the BOA, the IOC and the Museum of London regarding this display, fully aware of the cauldron's place that it was a structure for the Games and the whole notion of it 'coming together' for the Games-time only would be diluted.

The article doesn't show it but the cauldron is actually only a quarter of the structure, surrounded by mirrors to give the impression of a whole. The petals are the test versions, the original moulds which were never used at Games time. The United Kingdom's actual Games-time petal that was lit at the Opening Ceremony is placed to the side on another wall explaining this and has images of the other petals with their respective Olympic Association teams.

Given the nature of the Museum, and the ever changing rotation of exhibits within the space, I'd imagine this will be the last time to ever see a substantial portion of the cauldron back together, so to speak.

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JMarkSnow2012 is right:

DONATE now and help keep alive the spirit of London 2012! Plus, share your memories for the chance to appear at the museum.

The Cauldron was an iconic symbol of the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games and the world held its breath as the copper petals were lit, one by one, for the first time. Thomas Heatherwick’s iconic design now has a new permanent home at the Museum of London from 25th July, enabling visitors to see this remarkable sculpture up close, free of charge.

This project is supported by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport. However we need your support to raise the additional funds needed. London 2012 united people in quite a remarkable way - DONATE now, share your memories and help keep that spirit alive.

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Thanks a lot for the info, guys. Now this might be another first in Olympic history: An Olympic cauldron finding his post-Games home in a museum. All other cauldrons (if they were not removed completely) probably were or still are located outdoors, particularly close to or still at their former positions at the Olympic Stadia at Games time. Or am I wrong? I'm not sure about cauldrons like the ones of Melbourne 1956 and Rome 1960, for example.

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Thanks a lot for the info, guys. Now this might be another first in Olympic history: An Olympic cauldron finding his post-Games home in a museum. All other cauldrons (if they were not removed completely) probably were or still are located outdoors, particularly close to or still at their former positions at the Olympic Stadia at Games time. Or am I wrong? I'm not sure about cauldrons like the ones of Melbourne 1956 and Rome 1960, for example.

The London 1948 one, though still at (new) Wembley is indoors.

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Thanks a lot for the info, guys. Now this might be another first in Olympic history: An Olympic cauldron finding his post-Games home in a museum. All other cauldrons (if they were not removed completely) probably were or still are located outdoors, particularly close to or still at their former positions at the Olympic Stadia at Games time. Or am I wrong? I'm not sure about cauldrons like the ones of Melbourne 1956 and Rome 1960, for example.

Fab, Oslo and Melbourne's are the only ones (that I know of) that ended up in museums. One of Albertville's secondary cauldrons (possibly the one from Tignes) is on display at the Olympic Museum in Lausanne. I did an article on the Winter cauldrons which appeared in the Feb issue of the ISOH Journal. Will see if I still have a zip copy of the entire issue. All the others (S&W) as far as I know are still in place or moved to a nearby park.

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And it looks like there is an appreciable difference between the "regular" petal and the Paralympic petal. See the US photo which shows them side by side. DISCRIMINATION!!!

It's really an ugly-looking thing, sitting by itself. Looks more like a coal shovel than anything else. Here's one...

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yes they are a bit charred but it's still a cute idea......cudos to Autopia who recieved a financial setelment from liquidators of LOCOG who released the following statement just last Month.

Statement issued by the joint liquidators of LOCOG -Dated this 18th day of July 2014

Statement issued by the joint liquidators of The London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Limited (In Members’ Voluntary Liquidation)

LOCOG recognises that, between 2006-8, designers from ATOPIA LLC (“Atopia”) were engaged in the consulting and tender process relating to a proposed project for showcasing sustainability at the London 2012 Games (the “Games”) by means of a temporary structure that LOCOG referred to in its request for tender as the “One Planet Pavilion”.

ATOPIA provided LOCOG with certain submissions for this purpose. Specifically, Atopia’s submissions and One Planet Pavilion proposal included:

  • 5 concepts that defined a framework for showcasing sustainability at the Games, namely:
    o “Beyond Zero”;
    o “The One and Many”;
    o “An Environmental Parliament”;
    o “The Acorn and the Oak”; and
    o “Because it’s worth it”.
  • 5 features for the design scenario:-
    o the live-time construction of the pavilion in the opening ceremony for the Games;
    o the pavilion being made from 200+ flower shaped forms, one for each of the participating nations;
    o the flower-shaped forms to be brought into the opening ceremony by ‘bearers’ in each participating nations team;
    o as part of the ceremony the ‘bearers’ to pass each flower shaped form to the ‘next generation’ to be ‘planted’ and ‘deployed’ as a pavilion; and
    o after the Games the flower shaped forms to be returned to the participating nations.

Dated this 18th day of July 2014

the fat lady has sung.


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yes they are a bit charred but it's still a cute idea......cudos to Autopia who recieved a financial setelment from liquidators of LOCOG who released the following statement just last Month.

Statement issued by the joint liquidators of LOCOG -Dated this 18th day of July 2014

Statement issued by the joint liquidators of The London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Limited (In Members’ Voluntary Liquidation)

LOCOG recognises that, between 2006-8, designers from ATOPIA LLC (“Atopia”) were engaged in the consulting and tender process relating to a proposed project for showcasing sustainability at the London 2012 Games (the “Games”) by means of a temporary structure that LOCOG referred to in its request for tender as the “One Planet Pavilion”.

ATOPIA provided LOCOG with certain submissions for this purpose. Specifically, Atopia’s submissions and One Planet Pavilion proposal included:

  • 5 concepts that defined a framework for showcasing sustainability at the Games, namely:

    o “Beyond Zero”;

    o “The One and Many”;

    o “An Environmental Parliament”;

    o “The Acorn and the Oak”; and

    o “Because it’s worth it”.

  • 5 features for the design scenario:-

    o the live-time construction of the pavilion in the opening ceremony for the Games;

    o the pavilion being made from 200+ flower shaped forms, one for each of the participating nations;

    o the flower-shaped forms to be brought into the opening ceremony by ‘bearers’ in each participating nations team;

    o as part of the ceremony the ‘bearers’ to pass each flower shaped form to the ‘next generation’ to be ‘planted’ and ‘deployed’ as a pavilion; and

    o after the Games the flower shaped forms to be returned to the participating nations.

Dated this 18th day of July 2014

the fat lady has sung.

LOCOG-One-Planet-Pavilion-Cauldron-Jane-

So was it just an admission? Or was there a financial settlement? But no admission from Heatherwick? So the issue of Autopia's original submission ending up on Heatherwick's desk was not even addressed?

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So was it just an admission? Or was there a financial settlement?

financial..........they got PAID for the swipe. too much evidence to deny it.


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that was the total statement i posted.........everything else is confidential except that a financial settlement was awarded to Autopia.

Autopio has acted with total class and confidentiality through the whole mess, they refuse to comment much and have actually thrown Hetherwick a bone/lifeline when the thing started getting wide coverage in the media, they seemed to try tried to diffuse the situation as it heated up which was probably the best thing to do as they negotiated a settlement..

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Can you give a link to the Settlement details? Tried looking but have not been successful.

Paul's right that the settlement details have not been published, though IIRC, the liquidators described it as a trivial amount. Heatherwick and Boyle both stated that the liquidators had not consulted them about the settlement.

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Huh. I wonder if the other 2 design/ceremonial lawsuits were also settled.

The "Tor" one never got to that stage- here's Lee Sendall's latest on the topic

The illuminated bed one doesn't seem to have gone anywhere, which is a pity as it was the most convincing of the three. Rachel Wingfield's firm's website has some very pretty stuff though

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Autopio has acted with total class and confidentiality through the whole mess, they refuse to comment much and have actually thrown Hetherwick a bone/lifeline when the thing started getting wide coverage in the media, they seemed to try tried to diffuse the situation as it heated up which was probably the best thing to do as they negotiated a settlement..

One thing which can be said with near-certainty is that Atopia have acted with anything but class in this matter. They have been manipulative and devious from the start- and it turns out that "the start" means 2006, when they took advantage of the fact that LOCOG's design principal Kevin Owens had been a student of Atopia's David Turnbull, so throughout the two years when Atopia were bidding for LOCOG work, there was an informal (and informative) correspondence between them. If other bidders were not copied in on information supplied to Atopia in this correspondence, and Atopia had won any contracts, there would have been grounds for legal action by other bidders, and disciplinary action against Owens.

And it looks like there is an appreciable difference between the "regular" petal and the Paralympic petal. See the US photo which shows them side by side. DISCRIMINATION!!!

It's really an ugly-looking thing, sitting by itself. Looks more like a coal shovel than anything else. Here's one...

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No fair- the petals were allocated at random, so the US got one big one and one little one.

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