paul Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Cruelty to lovely seabirds! Yes, the countries' names were engraved on the petals- but there was no specified relationship between countries and petals until the engraving was done. oops! That is a very cool picture of the para cauldron. Makes sense the stamp came after......have to look if it's visible in any of the countries shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 That's the problem when giving it to first-timers like Danny Boyle. Yeah, settling was the best thing because that's what all Atopia wanted anyway - formal acknowledgement that their designs were received. And it's hoped this whole thing will go away just as the Liquidators of LOCOG will soon. Except it sort of sets a landmark case in IP/plagiarism cases. The only possible problem in this context related to Danny Boyle was the probable subconscious memory (both for him and others working with him on Sunshine) of the Light Sleeper quilt. Although the liquidators' settlement sets some sort of a precedent, its likely effect may not be quite what Atopia hoped for. I would guess that, somewhere in the background, lots of smart legal and creative types are analysing what really happened, particularly in relation to the informal communications between Kevin Owens and David Turnbull. Expect a very rigidly-defined relationship between commissioners and would-be creative contractors in future mega-projects. -we'll Atopia could have justifiably said Hetherwick stole the idea which they never specifically rubbed in his face. (Hetherwick was very happy to act all along like this was his unique idea) Heatherwick still does act like it was his idea. What Atopia did was very interesting (and, as I stated earlier, devious). First they announced their claim to the press, accompanied by the damning illustrations. Then they revealed that they hadn't shown the illustrations to anybody connected with LOCOG, and that they were specifically not accusing Heatherwick of plagiarism. As the Baron indicates, this left observers to join the dots, while removing any justification for legal action by Heatherwick, whose lawyers would almost certainly have raised even more problematic points than I did in By Strange Conveyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Mr Snow...now that we have a bit of distance (2 plus years) on "that" opening ceremony did you find any parts misguided? I got the impression from the parts I read in your publication that you would justify every bit.....I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) Mr Snow...now that we have a bit of distance (2 plus years) on "that" opening ceremony did you find any parts misguided? I got the impression from the parts I read in your publication that you would justify every bit.... That's Tony E's job. Don't give Tony E any more rope to hang himself, Paul!! My final note on this. Heatherwick and LOCOG were lucky in that this was an ephemeral cauldron (i.e., there is NOT huge permanent, working replica of it -- like other Olympic cauldrons. Had there been one, I am sure Atopia would've pressed for greater damages. (Not that they would've gotten more...but the evidence would be standing right there by the stadium for one and all to see everyday.) At least after 2012, it was just all a memory. Edited September 1, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 My final note on this. Heatherwick and LOCOG were lucky in that this was an ephemeral cauldron (i.e., there is NOT huge permanent, working replica of it -- like other Olympic cauldrons. Had there been one, I am sure Atopia would've pressed for greater damages. (Not that they would've gotten more...but the evidence would be standing right there by the stadium for one and all to see everyday.) At least after 2012, it was just all a memory. As Martijn's post yesterday hinted, the cauldron now has a substantial dedicated display in the Museum of London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Which I keep meaning to pop in and see. Although I hear it's only a portion of it and the effect of the whole is created by mirrors, which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Mr Snow...now that we have a bit of distance (2 plus years) on "that" opening ceremony did you find any parts misguided? I got the impression from the parts I read in your publication that you would justify every bit.....I may be wrong. Well, I have previously indicated on GB that I think the "Thanks Tim" segment was over-ambitious to the point of insanity, and of course By Strange Conveyance does contain details of numerous bloopers. However, I still maintain that some GBers are missing (or rather, perhaps, dismissing) major thematic and structural elements, which make the whole thing much less random and more deeply meaningful than it superficially appears. Which I keep meaning to pop in and see. Although I hear it's only a portion of it and the effect of the whole is created by mirrors, which is a shame. I don't think it is a shame- it's a way of staying true to the notion of an ephemeral Cauldron, without losing it altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 As Martijn's post yesterday hinted, the cauldron now has a substantial dedicated display in the Museum of London. Is that a permanent display or a temporary one? But it's still not the same as if it had been kept whole and sat outside an Olympic Stadium as others have. What's just in the museum though is a mere reminder of the actual thing. That's my point. And that works in Heatherwick's favor rather than for Atopia. Or maybe that legal concept is just too much??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Is that a permanent display or a temporary one? But it's still not the same as if it had been kept whole and sat outside an Olympic Stadium as others have. What's just in the museum though is a mere reminder of the actual thing. That's my point. And that works in Heatherwick's favor rather than for Atopia. Or maybe that legal concept is just too much??? The museum display is described as the Cauldron remnant's "new home" so it seems to be permanent (until the next time they discover some amazing Roman contraption while making the foundations of a vegetable-shaped skyscraper). Atopia have had about as much as they're likely to get from this now, except for the long-term effect on commissioning policies (which, as I suggested, may not be quite what they hoped for, and perhaps even not what any small creative enterprise would hope for- we could well get an Endemol effect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Finally found where Thomas Heatherwick got his inspiration for the 2012 cauldron. And not saying it's a bad thing. Look at how the peacock expands and retracts his tail. Look familiar? At least the peacocks can't sue!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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