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Thanks Juso85, you're a gem. I was overseas for most of these past two weeks and also ill for a while during that time so glad to be back back home and shaken off this chest bug.

I just hope at all times that I have come across as intending to focus on the message, not the messenger, when I agree, or disagree with various opinions put forward on this forum. If I have offended anyone by being too direct, or large font, I do apologise.

While I am stubborn, I am also persuadable if I can see credible evidence to the contrary. It has not ever been in my nature to get personal as it is only a forum for sharing ideas.

Its fun having healthy debate.

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What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't ma

The longer I see it "in action", I think that the idea behind the cauldron lighting and the design was extremely clever - but Heatherwick and Company completely failed in realising that the cauldron w

I don't quite understand your reasoning that the 2012 location is showing more people worldwide the cauldron that had it been located elsewhere (ie roofline of stadium etc). The cauldron is always a f

While I am stubborn, I am also persuadable if I can see credible evidence to the contrary.

You say that now, but after a long line of credible sources (including Lakshmi Mittal himself) saying the cauldron wasn't on the Orbit, you insisted it was a strong possibility. Despite Denis Oswald and ATR saying the cauldron was not visible outside the stadium, you insisted it would be.

You adopt a nice tone now, but the truth is that you were not persuadable AT ALL, despite plenty of credible evidence to the contrary.

This is not personal, it's just factual.

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Watching the Cauldron during the Javelin comp, it looked like it was 'shoved' into that corner without any thought of aesthetics. They could have at least dressed up the base without having to expose all the lead in gas piping and mechanics that go with it. .

It would've been great if it was left in an unused corner of the field. And there were spaces for it.

I love the Cauldron, but I'll never get over the way it was treated ESPECIALLY the way it was the week after that hidious OC being left in the middle of that stage set abandoned and lonely for all the world to see!

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You say that now, but after a long line of credible sources (including Lakshmi Mittal himself) saying the cauldron wasn't on the Orbit, you insisted it was a strong possibility. Despite Denis Oswald and ATR saying the cauldron was not visible outside the stadium, you insisted it would be.

You adopt a nice tone now, but the truth is that you were not persuadable AT ALL, despite plenty of credible evidence to the contrary.

This is not personal, it's just factual.

AthensFan your own post above is out of date and facually incorrect to what is already on the public record on this forum.

If you want to waste your time and energy decide to go down that path of boring everyone and re-digging up old Pre-Games posts, then that is your choice.

Why would you want to dig up Pre-Games views put forward in old posts from weeks ago as we now approach the end of the London Games?

You dont have to explain this, I am just asking this question because you have now just done exactly that here on this forum.

It is also on the public record how I and others have put forward views and changed our opinions on the way as we have tossed ideas around. This includes admitting when I and some others havebeen wrong on different things.

For the record, if you really want to go back and check those posts again, you will find that well before the OC, I had taken the Orbit off my shortlist of possibilities and publicly said so on this forum. That really is old old news.

I also said weeks out from the Games that my shortlist was down to two and it didn't include the Orbit any longer - Go back and recheck those out-of-date posts if you are in doubt.

I certainly am not going to waste my time. Who cares if 'lil ole me, "AustralianFan" was persuadable or not not weeks ago ? I mean who really gives a toss?

As for what ATR and the IOC Member were allegedly quoted as saying, then I have already said that just above here, on this very day today, that i was wrong.

I for one am looking forward to London's Closing Ceremony and the Paralympics Ceremonies and what other future Games have in store for us Cauldron-wise.

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Watching the Cauldron during the Javelin comp, it looked like it was 'shoved' into that corner without any thought of aesthetics. They could have at least dressed up the base without having to expose all the lead in gas piping and mechanics that go with it. .

It would've been great if it was left in an unused corner of the field. And there were spaces for it.

I love the Cauldron, but I'll never get over the way it was treated ESPECIALLY the way it was the week after that hidious OC being left in the middle of that stage set abandoned and lonely for all the world to see!

I agree, I think it would have looked great if they put it the base in a shallow pool of water (ala Rio 2007 and post games SLC and Vancouver Cauldrons) and had some good lighting uplighting it at night with reflections from the pool. It really feels like they didn't think at all beyond the opening ceremony....

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My post is totally factual.

Sure, you eventually gave up on the Orbit-- after months of ignoring the credible evidence. You also eventually recanted your argument against Oswald and ATR -- two weeks after the OC proved you wrong.

I wouldn't have written a word if you hadn't claimed you were persuadable when presented with credible evidence. That's flatly false and everyone on these boards has observed it.

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of revisionist history.

The above is aimed at AustralianFan.

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Let it go AthensFan, you're boring everyone.

After enduring your insufferable obstinacy for months, I've quite called a spade a spade and challenged your assertion that you are "persuadable."

I'm not surprised by your denial, but at least I've said my piece. I'm now done.

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"A people's cauldron" - yes, but only a cauldron for the people in the stadium.

"Connecting more with people" - yes, but only connecting with the people in the stadium.

"Rather than like a dream in the sky" - what's wrong with a shining beacon representative of each human being's dreams and hopes, sitting in an elevated location for everyone to see?

Being different just for the sake of being different is not always a good choice, Mr. Heatherwick. The concept of the 204 petals for each participating nation is beautiful, but it would have worked as well if it had sat at (or at least been moved to) the roof.

Here's the link to the article, by the way:

http://www.standard.co.uk/olympics/olympic-news/thomas-heatherwick-britain-is-a-cauldron-of-creativity-7987368.html

Oops, sorry - here's the correct link (but the other article is interesting as well): http://www.standard.co.uk/arts/visual-arts/the-olympic-cauldron--review-7987060.html

It would have looked stupid on the roof

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After enduring your insufferable obstinacy for months, I've quite called a spade a spade and challenged your assertion that you are "persuadable."

I'm not surprised by your denial, but at least I've said my piece. I'm now done.

I'm afraid you're coming off as more annoying

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We are now coming to the closing days of the London 2012 Olympic Games and from what I have witnessed both at the park and on television has been spectacular, an atmosphere like no other Olympics (not even Sydney's could match), without a doubt for me this is the greatest Olympics ever. The cauldron is beautiful and would have looked out of place on the roof. It just needs to be raised higher so that it looks more prominent. I agree that the cauldrons final location is disappointing, however it is satisfactory. To be quite frank it being a huge tower to the north end or a sculpture in trafalgar square wouldn't have created the beautiful sequence I watched at the opening ceremony. To repeat, the atmosphere has been unbelievable, I have never heard a crowd scream and cheer more in praise or despair. These games have been breathtaking and the best of all (so far) :) These truly are the "people's games".

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We are now coming to the closing days of the London 2012 Olympic Games and from what I have witnessed both at the park and on television has been spectacular, an atmosphere like no other Olympics (not even Sydney's could match), without a doubt for me this is the greatest Olympics ever. The cauldron is beautiful and would have looked out of place on the roof. It just needs to be raised higher so that it looks more prominent. I agree that the cauldrons final location is disappointing, however it is satisfactory. To be quite frank it being a huge tower to the north end or a sculpture in trafalgar square wouldn't have created the beautiful sequence I watched at the opening ceremony. To repeat, the atmosphere has been unbelievable, I have never heard a crowd scream and cheer more in praise or despair. These games have been breathtaking and the best of all (so far) :) These truly are the "people's games".

It's good to hear the Games have a great atmosphere and are very much the Peoples Games as LOCOG wanted to get it be.back to be thronging and carnival-like. I wish I could have been there this time but it was not to be.

I wonder what they will do with the Cauldron for the Closing? I'm guessing they might just leave it where it is and extinguish it from there.

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Like I said before pjpauly2k, Leecz and I are being nitpicky and pedantic, your view is perfectly reasonable, though while I cannot speak for Leecz, I am unfortunately, not reasonable :P

Haha I am a nostalgic and nit picky traditionalist conservative freak. :) Anyhow it's nice to see that one thing is consistent - the Olympic Flag party has worn all white all these decades. Let's hope this stays the same forever!

You see, the beauty of ceremonies is tradition. Tradition means doing the same thing over, maybe doing it a little better, but essentially, not changing the rules - Imagine if one olympic games, they decide to do all the measurements in Imperial system just for the sake of being different? It wouldn't work! i guess it's a chicken and egg thing.

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It's good to hear the Games have a great atmosphere and are very much the Peoples Games as LOCOG wanted to get it be.back to be thronging and carnival-like. I wish I could have been there this time but it was not to be.

I wonder what they will do with the Cauldron for the Closing? I'm guessing they might just leave it where it is and extinguish it from there.

No, apparently it will be moved back to the centre of the stadium and extinguished from there... however I'm not too sure

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I wonder what they will do with the Cauldron for the Closing? I'm guessing they might just leave it where it is and extinguish it from there.

Thomas Heatherwick already said that "at the end of the Games this cauldron will dismantle itself and radiate back down to the ground and each of those copper pieces taken away by each nation and put in a national Olympic cabinet somewhere."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/olympicsvideo/9434606/Thomas-Heatherwick-the-designer-behind-the-London-2012-Olympic-cauldron.html

This is only logical because it's a connection to how the cauldron was lit and formed during the opening ceremony.

But since there's not enough space for the cauldron to dismantle itself there in that stadium gate, I expect that they'll move it back to the centre of the infield on Saturday night or Sunday morning for the closing ceremony.

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Yes it looks like the flame is on the top of the Orbit Tower Loop in the video,

When the fireworks go off you can see the silouhette of the loop against the fireworks and this definite flickering flame perched right on top of it.

Thanks to jky92 for posting it.

Have a look at it guys. Where is that flame? It appears to be outside the stadium and at this angle above the roof stadium level.

Posted the day before the Opening Ceremony -- July 26.

Cauldron's Flame To Be Seen Across Olympic Park

So the Cauldron and it's flame will be seen by those outside, as well as most of the audience inside London's Olympic Stadium.

Now that we have seen, across Olympic Park, the distant video and still images of the Cauldron being tested in the early hours of Friday morning London time, this finally puts to rest that earlier incorrect and alleged ATR report written by an "unknown" person wrongly alleging a senior and widely respected IOC Member had released information about the Cauldron, including that it would only be "seen by those inside the Stadium."

That IOC Member's integrity and reputation rightly remains intact.

It should be noted that it appears not who posted this false report in this thread is at fault, but whoeover made up the original story.

Enjoy the Games guys, wherever you are !

Posted the day before the Opening Ceremony, July 26 (after the Orbit comment).

Only because the other person involved is usually wrong, it's just my neutral perspective on the conversations.

Whatever you say. I think the above quotes vindicate me completely. The reality is that Australian Fan was quite insistent on both points (Orbit and Oswald/ATR being wrong) in many, many posts despite being presented with information to the contrary.

I suppose facts can be annoying....

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In giving the petals to the competing nations after the Olympics Cauldron is extinguished, does anyone know if we will see a different style or the same type of Cauldron for the Paralympics Opening?

I'm guessing...but looking at the design on the tickets, I think it will be the same. Just fashioning the central mechanism and those petals cost a lot of money, so I don't see them creating ANOTHER design for the Paralympics. My guess for this whole cauldron business of 2012 is around US$2.75 million.

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I'm guessing...but looking at the design on the tickets, I think it will be the same. Just fashioning the central mechanism and those petals cost a lot of money, so I don't see them creating ANOTHER design for the Paralympics. My guess for this whole cauldron business of 2012 is around US$2.75 million.

Yes its quite a complex one. Just been looking at the amazing mechanics behind London's Cauldron in those behind the scenes photos and videos.

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I too think that the symbols on the tickets are simply representations of the trumpets which you would expect from the city of Royal Fanfares heralding the Opening and Closing of the 2012 Olympics, not anything at all to do with hinting at a multi-part Cauldron design. There is no way they would leak a surprise like that or anything about the Cauldron to anyone other than the 'need to knows', let alone to the masses on tickets.

The first photo below is of some of the RAF Fanfare Trumpets, 8 of whom performed 'Valiant and Brave' at Prince William and Kate's Wedding in Westminster Abbey and so I think we can expect some fanatastic heralds during these Ceremonies. The second photo is of the Royal Opera fanfare trumpets.

Vancouver unfortunately had trouble with all four parts of their Cauldron to work. I still think that one majestic Cauldron with one flame will be lit.

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Also one of multiple posts on the same theme.....

As long as we're talking about tickets, the petals and all....

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