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The idea behind the 204 components is brilliant, and the way it all came together, but the majesty ends there for me. When I see the cauldron in action now during T&F, it just seems so modest, like the Games are being scaled down. I really think it should have been put in a location for people outside of the park to see it too.

It will be very interesting to see what Rio does considering their stadium situation.

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Heatherwick is a genius, but so much of his work rests on representations of almost aching fragility - he wanted the torch to be scorched, for the metal to represent what athletes go through. He wanted the copper to be hand-beaten, again to represent human endeavour. The trouble is neither this board or indeed the general public are especially representative of the type of person who gets enthused by contemporary art. It would have been cheaper to go for something like Atlanta, but they wanted to send a message, but I don't think it really has worked, not least because our appetite for the grand gesture has increased, not diminished. A bit like going to the Louvre, seeing the (tiny) Mona Lisa, and saying 'I stood in line for this'?

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Heatherwick is a genius, but so much of his work rests on representations of almost aching fragility - he wanted the torch to be scorched, for the metal to represent what athletes go through. He wanted the copper to be hand-beaten, again to represent human endeavour. The trouble is neither this board or indeed the general public are especially representative of the type of person who gets enthused by contemporary art. It would have been cheaper to go for something like Atlanta, but they wanted to send a message, but I don't think it really has worked, not least because our appetite for the grand gesture has increased, not diminished. A bit like going to the Louvre, seeing the (tiny) Mona Lisa, and saying 'I stood in line for this'?

I agree

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Heatherwick is a genius, but so much of his work rests on representations of almost aching fragility - he wanted the torch to be scorched, for the metal to represent what athletes go through. He wanted the copper to be hand-beaten, again to represent human endeavour. The trouble is neither this board or indeed the general public are especially representative of the type of person who gets enthused by contemporary art. It would have been cheaper to go for something like Atlanta, but they wanted to send a message, but I don't think it really has worked, not least because our appetite for the grand gesture has increased, not diminished. A bit like going to the Louvre, seeing the (tiny) Mona Lisa, and saying 'I stood in line for this'?

I appreciated the video and this thoughtful post. I said several pages back that the cauldron is a success a a sculpture, but a failure as a cauldron. I think that's what you are saying in a more articulate way..

LOCOG did not seem to appreciate the medium they were working with. An Olympic Stadium is not the Tate Modern. A cauldron is evaluated by different standards. Many of these choices and ideas (admirable as they are), just don't translate. A successful cauldron would most likely flop at the Tate.....

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Spot the cauldron. The words on the screen is more visible than the flame! Just seen a close-up of the petals on TV, they are burnt black through and through beyond recognition

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An obvious shoot out to this:

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Not bad. I just wish the cauldron looked better

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1948 has the excuse of Brave Austerity and Stepping Up to host when the world was shattered and broke...No one could afford to travel to New York...

As for the flame in 1948 it shows a tentitive begining of hope. This was the first time the flame was used in an OSG since 1936...From there it seem to live within the lower decks of the stadium untill the 60s and then started the oneupmanship competition among hosts ever since...

Prehaps the 'Flaming Golfclubs' is a reset. A reminder the games are for the athletes?

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I appreciated the video and this thoughtful post. I said several pages back that the cauldron is a success a a sculpture, but a failure as a cauldron. I think that's what you are saying in a more articulate way..

LOCOG did not seem to appreciate the medium they were working with. An Olympic Stadium is not the Tate Modern. A cauldron is evaluated by different standards. Many of these choices and ideas (admirable as they are), just don't translate. A successful cauldron would most likely flop at the Tate.....

Well compared. Actually I can totally imagine this design commissioned by Tate as a reaction exhibit to the generic Olympic cauldron.

I love how davey romanticise the whole cauldron in his live blog eg. small and being part of the spectators, humble and proud etc. Anyone can spin how they want on this cauldron. But the imprint of an olympic athletics shot with cauldron flame high above everything else is just too deep in my mind. We are used to seeing the Olympic flame shining over us majestically, and somehow I felt something is missing in London's athletics so far. Sometimes it feels like an Olympic, and sometimes it feels like a world championship. If we have a big flame above, nobody will be confused.

Why do we want to go back to a small cauldron for a time with limited resource, technology and much smaller global audience?

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The stadium really isn't cauldron-friendly.

A cauldron on the roof probably wouldn't have worked for numerous reasons, one down below next to the stands clearly dosen't work, and one outside towering above the floodlights would be way too high for the in-stadium cameras.

Stadiums with at least one open end from now on, please.

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How far apart are the two main stadiums?

According to Google Earth, about 20 minutes apart by car. Makes me wonder how it could work if they were to have two cauldrons.

As for London's cauldron,

In my opinion, the way they have it sitting in that tunnel makes it look so insignificant.

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it just seems so modest, like the Games are being scaled down.

I think many would argue this to be a good thing, as the Games have been getting almost too big, with each host trying to outdo and one-up previous hosts. I got the feeling that LOCOG deliberately wanted not to play that game.

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The stadium really isn't cauldron-friendly.

A cauldron on the roof probably wouldn't have worked for numerous reasons, one down below next to the stands clearly dosen't work, and one outside towering above the floodlights would be way too high for the in-stadium cameras.

Stadiums with at least one open end from now on, please.

Athens has the best stadium design that wholly integrated the cauldron as part of the architecture, instead of a improvised after-thought like most games. For that, I applaud the organisers vision because it is the most elegant and majestic cauldron ever

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Athens has the best stadium design that wholly integrated the cauldron as part of the architecture, instead of a improvised after-thought like most games. For that, I applaud the organisers vision because it is the most elegant and majestic cauldron ever

Hmmm

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It will be very interesting to see what Rio does considering their stadium situation.

Given the new roof, they could offer the same sun approach as their 2007 cauldron, only to rise up and rest either above field or on the roof, so it can be seen from miles around. Alternatively they can go the "cheap" approach (well something not as technical) and have a cauldron tower near Maracana, which represents the sun (a spinning cauldron on top) and also as a tourist trap (that could also serve as an observation tower).

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6.7 kilometres or 4.2 miles linear distance, according to Google Earth.

Okay, well what I was thinking of clearly wouldn't work. :P

On topic of the London cauldron though, while the lighting was cool, the positioning and such could be so much better. As it stands right now, because it's in front of a screen, it can't burn it's brightest.

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I'm thinking for Rio, they will light the cauldron in the ceremony, then on the morning of athletics, another formal ceremony where another torchbearer will get the flame from the original cauldron and run to the athletics stadium to light the other cauldron there in front of the crowd. Then the T&F event will start immediately!

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I'm thinking for Rio, they will light the cauldron in the ceremony, then on the morning of athletics, another formal ceremony where another torchbearer will get the flame from the original cauldron and run to the athletics stadium to light the other cauldron there in front of the crowd. Then the T&F event will start immediately!

But the flame is not only for athletics but for every event!

During Rio 2007 Panamerican Games they did the same what are going to repeat in 2016: the Maracana was used for both Opening and Closing ceremonies and soccer finals and Joao Avelange Stadium for athletics. That time, they just ligthed up one small cauldron inside in sun shape.

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For Guadalajara 2011 Panamerican Games, also they had two cauldrons, one in the ceremonies stadium where also the soccer finals was played (Omnilife stadium) and the other in the Athletic complex which was just lit when athtletics events started.

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She lit a symbolic cauldron in the middle of the stadium and a fireworks display started to finish lighting the main cauldron atthe top of the stadium

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It is the Athletic complex cauldron. Another exactly alike was at the top of the Omnilife Stadium.

What can Rio do? Just light up the main cauldron in Maracana, and at the same time light the cauldron at Joao Aveange stadium simbolically...

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Since they already going to have at least two cauldrons, I'd very much to see them have one at each of the four Olympic clusters then!

It will be quite nice actually to spread the flame to different parts of the city, and that way everybody can see the flame everywhere! Also imagine the potential of giving these four precious opportunities to four Brazillians design talent. Each cauldron is unique and design inspiration is related to where it's sited.

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Wahwahwah! How original!! Wouldn't wipe my ass with such a stupid idea. :lol::lol:

Wow. You probably thought that your post was funny, didn't you? You got owned by a newbie. Get over it. I mean your PM and all. Childish much?

And I love that Pan-American Games cauldron. It's certainly a different take.

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