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Nah he is doing that all on his own.

HJPro are you going to Olympic Park over the final couple of days ?

I'm afraid not, though I have been twice already, its fantastic. I bet you wish you could have gone! :)

Thanks Mr. Neutral Outside Observer.

Aaah the wit of an American... it's too much to handle! ;)

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Oh dear, I saw the start of this attack, I wish I had completely missed the rest of it. A few days ago I just finished saying how wonderful the games bids community was, so it sad to see someone be so punished for passionately believing something and then apologising for being wrong, only for that to open a quote for quote rubbing in the face......

Its is even more disappointing still that the relentless rubbing is coming from one of the posters I considered to have posts consistently of a very high standard.

In any case, was AustralianFan arrogantly dismissing those who had suggestions that were true (i.e. ticket design reflecting cauldron, no infield cauldron etc.)? Yes he was, but so were many others, AustralianFan was just more vocal. If anything I refused to believe it would not be visible outside the stadium and as nothing had been constructed tall enough, I like many others could not comprehend what would be used if not for the orbit........

Clearly the reaction in this forum to the midfield cauldron, its movement and extinguishment and overall smaller scale shows that no one expected a midfield cauldron. I do not mean that midfield cauldron was not predicted what I mean to say I don't think anyone thought it would be the final position, everyone expected it to move itself, somehow, somewhere....

If I had conceived or leaked that a cauldron would be in midfield two weeks before the ceremony and then I was asked on the forum how it would be moved - and if then I replied, it would be extinguished moved and relit on a cherry picker, you would have all said I was lunatic and reply "they would never let that happen, you don't know anything there is no athletics in the first week - that means no one would see the cauldron for the first week."

Then broken by the forum, I would say, "but they are going to put it on tv screens above the stadium, that is enough".

No one is not admitting we were NOT wrong, I even want to accept the award for biggest flop prediction as Athensfan has suggested the category.

BUT

Put your mind back four weeks ago, what sounds more ludicrous:

> a heatherwick cauldron on top of red rollercoaster thing-a-majig....

>Or the reality of what happened (as hypothetically predicted above)...

PS the predicted cauldron on this thread, mirroring the pattern on the tickets but 70 odd metres high, would have been awesome...

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Very well said, Juso. And I originally didn't want to comment on that Athensfan/AustralianFan (or mainly Athensfan) flamewar because I didn't want to rekindle it. But I have to say, if we had an award for the unfairest posting over the course of these Games, I'd wholeheartedly choose that narrow-minded and overly aggressive attack Athensfan has launched against Australianfan.

Athensfan, for me it's becoming a real mystery how you ever got your "Excellent" +333 rating. The way you slashed AustralianFan although he had already apologised for his wrong pre-Games assumptions and how still you dug up those old posts just to prove a point that he had actually never challenged really knocked me for a loop. What's your problem, man?

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PS the predicted cauldron on this thread, mirroring the pattern on the tickets but 70 odd metres high, would have been awesome...

Exactly!!!

Very well said, Juso. And I originally didn't want to comment on that Athensfan/AustralianFan (or mainly Athensfan) flamewar because I didn't want to rekindle it. But I have to say, if we had an award for the unfairest posting over the course of these Games, I'd wholeheartedly choose that narrow-minded and overly aggressive attack Athensfan has launched against Australianfan.

Athensfan, for me it's becoming a real mystery how you ever got your "Excellent" +333 rating. The way you slashed AustralianFan although he had already apologised for his wrong pre-Games assumptions and how still you dug up those old posts just to prove a point that he had actually never challenged really knocked me for a loop. What's your problem, man?

Exactly!!!

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I wouldn't call it a disappointment, but they weren't as good as Sydney, yes. But as I said, that's all just a matter of personal opinion. I would never prescribe anyone how he has to judge a certain edition of the Games.

Very good

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Moving on;

I guess an interesting step from here is to discuss the long term effects of the London Cauldron and lighting will have on future cauldrons.

Will there be a return to the traditional crowd level stadium cauldron?

Will the 204 petal coming together and disassembly become a new tradition - with ever games making a unique take on a 204 or more piece cauldron?

Will the dangerous precedent of not working through impractical problems with clever solutions - i.e. moving cauldron, extinguishing not having it final position for the rest of the games - will this cause more things to slide down the slippery slope?

Sorry if not an appropriate topic in this thread, I can start a new thread if need be/and if any demand - i.e. actually anyone cares/wants to talk about it.

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Rio has the two stadium issue to contend with. Whatever they do will HAVE to be unique just because of this fact.

I doubt it, I will be very surprised if they have a movable cauldron. They'll go for a tower with swirls

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Dear all,

We all make mistakes. I could just as easily have been mistaken in my positions.

The reason I challenged Australian Fan was because of the way he rudely dismissed opposing opinions with an air of superior haughtiness. That happened weeks ago and perhaps it escaped some people's notice.

He then wrote a post saying his predictions were wrong, but he's always been open-minded and persuadable. He expected to move on without any further discussion on the subject.

Australian Fan certainly doesn't need to apologize for being mistaken. He SHOULD apologize for doing it so condescendingly. A true apology would have acknowledged that he was not at all open-minded or persuadable. To the contrary, he was insulting. Saying he hopes he didnt offend anyone with the use of a large font seems a small offering.

Now he presents himself as an innocent, nice guy saying, "oops." Some of you see me as the meany who is vindictively pointing out an honest mistake. As I've said before, it's not the mistake -- it's the attitude.

Speaking truth is not something that requires an apology -- however unpopular it may be.

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Dear all,

We all make mistakes. I could just as easily have been mistaken in my positions.

The reason I challenged Australian Fan was because of the way he rudely dismissed opposing opinions with an air of superior haughtiness. That happened weeks ago and perhaps it escaped some people's notice.

He then wrote a post saying his predictions were wrong, but he's always been open-minded and persuadable. He expected to move on without any further discussion on the subject.

Australian Fan certainly doesn't need to apologize for being mistaken. He SHOULD apologize for doing it so condescendingly. A true apology would have acknowledged that he was not at all open-minded or persuadable. To the contrary, he was insulting. Saying he hopes he didnt offend anyone with the use of a large font seems a small offering.

Now he presents himself as an innocent, nice guy saying, "oops." Some of you see me as the meany who is vindictively pointing out an honest mistake. As I've said before, it's not the mistake -- it's the attitude.

Speaking truth is not something that requires an apology -- however unpopular it may be.

Apology accepted ;) but yeah WE KNOW

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I guarantee rio will be a copy cat and go with a tower

If Rio goes with a tower, that isn't going to render them a "copy cat." It just means they're making the visibility of the flame a priority. As for their logo, it's not my favorite (I loved the bid logo), but it is the first logo that works in two or three dimensions. That does make it innovative.

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Dear all,

We all make mistakes. I could just as easily have been mistaken in my positions.

The reason I challenged Australian Fan was because of the way he rudely dismissed opposing opinions with an air of superior haughtiness. That happened weeks ago and perhaps it escaped some people's notice.

He then wrote a post saying his predictions were wrong, but he's always been open-minded and persuadable. He expected to move on without any further discussion on the subject.

Australian Fan certainly doesn't need to apologize for being mistaken. He SHOULD apologize for doing it so condescendingly. A true apology would have acknowledged that he was not at all open-minded or persuadable. To the contrary, he was insulting. Saying he hopes he didnt offend anyone with the use of a large font seems a small offering.

Now he presents himself as an innocent, nice guy saying, "oops." Some of you see me as the meany who is vindictively pointing out an honest mistake. As I've said before, it's not the mistake -- it's the attitude.

Speaking truth is not something that requires an apology -- however unpopular it may be.

What a prat!

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If Rio goes with a tower, that isn't going to render them a "copy cat." It just means they're making the visibility of the flame a priority. As for their logo, it's not my favorite (I loved the bid logo), but it is the first logo that works in two or three dimensions. That does make it innovative.

I hate both their logos (bid and current). They have done what Barcelona, Sydney, Athens, Beijing and countless others did for a logo:

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Olympic rings

They should have taken inspiration from London's dynamic logo, which without a doubt is not only the most individual and innovative of them all but also one of the best due to its versatility. Rio unfortunately haven't done this, but have gone backwards...

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I hate both their logos (bid and current). They have done what Barcelona, Sydney, Athens, Beijing and countless others did for a logo:

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Olympic rings

They should have taken inspiration from London's dynamic logo, which without a doubt is not only the most individual and innovative of them all but also one of the best due to its versatility. Rio unfortunately haven't done this, but have gone backwards...

So you're concern is not that they are copying. You're concern is that they aren't copying London.

I still think the 3-D approach is quite unique.

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So you're concern is not that they are copying. You're concern is that they aren't copying London.

I still think the 3-D approach is quite unique.

No my concern is that they shouldn't be boring and copy the format of numerous others and that they should take inspiration from the difference in London's logo NOT that they should copy London's... Jesus Christ -_-

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HJ Pro is annoying me slightly actually. A few of his posts today seem to do down Rio in an effort to boost London; something that is not only unnecessary given how huge a success our Games has been, but also not particularly nice to read. Tone it down a bit fella (I'm talking about posts like this one really - how can you know four years out Rio won't match London?). Anyway, don't want to get iinto an argument, but a few of your posts have come across that way. ^_^

As for the logo, it seems the IOC requested Rio go back to the old format. There's an interview with Rio's logo designer who said as much. I don't see the need for the IOC to be quite so prescriptive, but it's their show so they get to say what flies.

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