Athensfan 1081 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I think it's fairly scientific -- but it's merely a guide for the caprices of the individual IOC voters. The 2 or 3 point differences might mean 20-min longer commutes for, say, the tennis players vs. the rowers in Istanbul over Tokyo; but then shorter commutes for the gymnasts in one city over the other. Or the Madrid IBC might be more centrally located than Tokyo's--and it just depends on which pet federation or sport an IOC member might focus on and vote that way. In the end, it's like the Miss Universe contest, all the previous scores are a wash, thus thrown out, and the final Q&A decides it. Then the above is encouraging for Istanbul because the odds show that the perceived "underdog" invariably comes out on top. How can it be "pretty scientific" and "like Miss Universe"??? I put no stock in it. Perhaps the sheep will though. He's so fond of saying Chicago lagged technically. Obviously ATR (and I) disagreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shrek201 35 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 How can it be "pretty scientific" and "like Miss Universe"??? That's 'scientific' within its own parameters. There is only so much 'scientific' sense you can apply on things like these which are outside of the pure sciences or academe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimena 2 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 It looks like if the Power Index only evaluates accomodation and venue plans, where Madrid is way better than Istanbul, and not the "momentum" where Istanbul is better, Tokyo stands strong in both cases Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 That's 'scientific' within its own parameters. There is only so much 'scientific' sense you can apply on things like these which are outside of the pure sciences or academe. Miss Universe is the ultimate example of subjectivity. There's nothing empirical about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gangwon 259 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 New ATR Power Index (June 2012) 1st : Tokyo 2nd : Madrid 3rd : Istanbul Those scores are really low compared to the bidders in previous races. Especially when comparing Madrid and Tokyo to THEMSELVES just 4 years earlier, about 10 points lower. Or will their scores increase by 10 points before the final ranking a month before the vote? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 There's more than a few scores there that Ed Hula and the members here wouldn't see eye-to-eye on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SwissO 126 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Those scores are really low compared to the bidders in previous races. Especially when comparing Madrid and Tokyo to THEMSELVES just 4 years earlier, about 10 points lower. Or will their scores increase by 10 points before the final ranking a month before the vote? Yes low... for the 2016 race, at the first ATR Power Index, Madrid scored 77 (vs 78 at the end) & Tokyo 74 (vs 77 at the end).... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gotosy 493 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 new ATR index released Tokyo strengthens its lead in the latest edition of the Around the Rings Power Index for the 2020 Summer Olympics. Rivals Istanbul and Madrid are tied for second.Spurred by improvements in public support and the venue plan, the Japanese capital claimed 77 out of 100 points in the third installment of the 2020 Power Index. Istanbul and Madrid scored 72. ... http://aroundtherings.com/articles/view.aspx?id=42109 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sir Rols 1902 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I assume with the bid books out we'll see an update to the GamesBids index soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stark 12 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hope so, the Bid Index is always closer to the actual result. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intoronto 650 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 The bidindex is much more reliable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deawebo 77 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 The fact is that the ATR Power Index doesn't focuses on the momentum of the bidding stage, only in the technical aspects... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gotosy 493 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 stanbul Drops, Madrid Climbs, Tokyo Leads in 2020 Index 8/22/2013 (ATR) Madrid edges closer to Tokyo in the race for the 2020 Olympics in the final edition of the Around the Rings Olympic Bid Power Index -- while Istanbul sags as the Sep. 7 IOC vote looms. ... Tokyo scores 77 out of 100 points, Madrid rises to 76 while Istanbul falls to 75 from 78 in May. ATR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intoronto 650 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Note: The city that was second in both 2012 and 2016 won the whole thing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FYI 1206 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 But there were also more cities on the 2012 & 2016 ballots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Note: The city that was second in both 2012 and 2016 won the whole thing. And the winners have also always been correctly predicted in the entrails of the virgins I've slaughtered before each recent vote. I'm sharpening up the old gutting knife now, so I'll tell you which way the guts tumble. ... Okay, the blood splatter took the shape of a rising sun, so... Edited August 23, 2013 by Sir Rols 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DannyelBrazil 703 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Cities with bigger names wins... London over Paris... Rio de Janeiro over Madrid... Istanbul over Tokyo or Madrid... PS: Actually the birth name of Rio is "São Sebastião do Rio de Janeiro"... Unbeatable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emre 92 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Cities with bigger names wins... London over Paris... Rio de Janeiro over Madrid... Istanbul over Tokyo or Madrid... PS: Actually the birth name of Rio is "São Sebastião do Rio de Janeiro"... Unbeatable! in that case bangkok will be the eternal host if they apply:D Krungthepmahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathaniburirom Udomratchaniwetmahasathan Amonphimanawatansathit Sakkathattiyawitsanukamprasit lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoshi 353 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Nah, I'll take Bangkok, thanks 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DannyelBrazil 703 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 hahahaha I remember a fantasy contest here in the GB Forums with a British city (if I'm not mistake) with a enormous name. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 hahahaha I remember a fantasy contest here in the GB Forums with a British city (if I'm not mistake) with a enormous name. Yep, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, in Wales. None of them beat NZ's Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DannyelBrazil 703 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Yep, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, in Wales. None of them beat NZ's Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu Gosh!!! It's impossible to say the name of Tauma... Specially adding the English phonetics for me! hahaha Poor Itaquaquecetuba, Pindamonhangaba or Jijoca de Jericoacoara... Edited September 2, 2013 by DannyelBrazil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoshi 353 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 We tend to just call it LlanfairPG, to make it easier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DannyelBrazil 703 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) We tend to just call it LlanfairPG, to make it easier. That's nice... Nicknames always works for big names. Here even cities with small names gets "nicknames" even smaller... Like São Paulo can be Sampa. Niteroi can be also Nikity. Actually all cities have nicknames... Well, everything have nicknames in Brazil from Highways to hospitals to Airports to Parks... Even 2 stadiums in the World Cup are known by nicknames (Mineirão and Castelão) and if you ask for Havelange Stadium in Rio nobody will know it... The stadium is known as "Engenhão". * "ão" is a suffix for "big" in Portuguese... Edited September 2, 2013 by DannyelBrazil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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