No Davos-St. Moritz 2022 bid?

[munichfan]

Kernowboy, they aren't even thinking of including Chur. It's just called Graubünden 2022 because the referendum is in Graubünden. The bid name will be St. Moritz 2022. St. Moritz will host Alpine skiing, Bobsled, Skeleton, Luge, Figure Skating, Short Track, Ski Jumping and Nordic Combination while Ice Hockey, Speed Skating, Curling, Cross Country, Snowboard and Freestyle Skiing will be held in Davos.

[kernowboy]

Kernowboy, they aren't even thinking of including Chur. It's just called Graubünden 2022 because the referendum is in Graubünden. The bid name will be St. Moritz 2022. St. Moritz will host Alpine skiing, Bobsled, Skeleton, Luge, Figure Skating, Short Track, Ski Jumping and Nordic Combination while Ice Hockey, Speed Skating, Curling, Cross Country, Snowboard and Freestyle Skiing will be held in Davos.

They need 5 indoor venues

Do you think Davos with a population of 11,000 people can have 5 indoor venues? At one point they were talking of holding some ice events in Zurch !!!

The minimum IOC requirements are;

Figure Skating: 12,000 seats

Ice Hockey Lge: 10,000 seats

Speed Skating: 8,000 seats

Ice Hockey Sml: 6,000 seats

Curling: 3,000 seats

I'd like to know how you think they are going to meet these requirments

The bid once it is put forward by the Swiss Olympic committee will undoubtedly be amended if it becomes the official candidate

[munichfan]

With Vaillant arena the secondary ice hockey venue yet exists. The curling hall can be transformed into a training centre for HC Davos and/or local schools. So there's no problem for Davos. In St. Moritz the Olympic oval could be used as a convention centre afterwards, just like Torino did for 2006. So then, a 12,000 seat arena remains. Perhaps it could have a permanent lower and a temporary upper tier. With a capacity of then about 6,500 (just an example) it could host several events and a professional hockey team could be established. Due to the fact that they'd take some time to get up to the National League A or B, they won't selll too many tickets first, but this might well change in the future.

[Athensfan]

With Vaillant arena the secondary ice hockey venue yet exists. The curling hall can be transformed into a training centre for HC Davos and/or local schools. So there's no problem for Davos. In St. Moritz the Olympic oval could be used as a convention centre afterwards, just like Torino did for 2006. So then, a 12,000 seat arena remains. Perhaps it could have a permanent lower and a temporary upper tier. With a capacity of then about 6,500 (just an example) it could host several events and a professional hockey team could be established. Due to the fact that they'd take some time to get up to the National League A or B, they won't selll too many tickets first, but this might well change in the future.

That 6,500 Arena could still seat more than half of Davos' population. I love the idea of village-scale Swiss Games, but when you realize the venues have to hold 5 times the city's population it starts feeling extremely out of balance and untenable.

[intoronto]

I wonder why Pyeongchang went with that name when there was a stadium large enough in Gangeung.

[kernowboy]

With Vaillant arena the secondary ice hockey venue yet exists. The curling hall can be transformed into a training centre for HC Davos and/or local schools. So there's no problem for Davos. In St. Moritz the Olympic oval could be used as a convention centre afterwards, just like Torino did for 2006. So then, a 12,000 seat arena remains. Perhaps it could have a permanent lower and a temporary upper tier. With a capacity of then about 6,500 (just an example) it could host several events and a professional hockey team could be established. Due to the fact that they'd take some time to get up to the National League A or B, they won't selll too many tickets first, but this might well change in the future.

So the Ice Hockey 2 stadium will be the Valiant

And the Curling can be a training arena/used by high schools

The Speed Skating arena can become a conference centre

And the Figure Skating arena can be downsized and used by HC St Moritz.

.............. what about Ice Hockey 1 arena?

[munichfan]

Temporary maybe?

[kernowboy]

Temporary maybe?

I'd stand by the idea that as with Lillehammer-Hamar-Gjorvik, everything was catered for, by adding Chur even if its not on the bid name or in the initial plans, they don't really increase the size of the bid, again add to the legacy with a permanent site and by including the largest city in the canton, likely increase public support.

[Westfale]

St. Moritz will host the Alpine World Championships in 2017!!!

[gotosy]

Swiss bid team costs $2.9B operation to host 2022 Winter Games at Davos, St. Moritz

DAVOS, Switzerland — Organizers of Switzerland’s planned bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics in Davos and St. Moritz estimate operating costs for the event would be 2.8 billion Swiss francs ($2.9 billion).

The Grisons 2022 committee says likely public and private investment of 1.5 billion Swiss francs ($1.55 billion) includes transport and tourism projects which would be carried out regardless.

Bid director Gian Gilli says in a statement it seeks to “improve concepts and reduce costs.”

The figures are outlined in a “cautious but realistic” feasibility study commissioned from an international auditing firm.

The bid envisages additional security costs of 250 million Swiss francs ($258 million).

Switzerland last staged the Winter Olympics in 1948 at St. Moritz, which also hosted the 1924 Games.

http://www.washingto...1AQW_story.html

[stryker]

So now that they have a figure as to how much this might cost, what are the chances the Swiss actually give it a go or will the amount of money involved sink the bid before it ever gets going?

[gotosy]

Swiss government pledges support for Davos-St Moritz bid to host 2022 Winter Olympics

Associated Press,

BERN, Switzerland — Switzerland’s government has pledged support for a bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics in Davos and St. Moritz.

The Swiss Federal Council says public funds should cover 1 billion Swiss francs ($1.05 billion) of the projected shortfall from the neighboring Alpine towns staging the Olympics.

A feasibility study estimated costs of 2.8 billion Swiss francs and income of 1.5 billion Swiss francs.

The seven-member executive body suggests paying half the expected 60 million Swiss francs ($62.6 million) cost of bidding.

It asked the federal sports ministry to report back to lawmakers.

The Davos-St. Moritz bid needs further support from voters in a regional referendum.

Switzerland last staged the Winter Olympics in 1948 at St. Moritz, which also hosted in 1924.

International Olympic Committee members choose the 2022 host in 2015.

http://www.washingto...8849_story.html

[Athensfan]

I love the idea of Swiss Games. Really love it. I'd really to get back to Germany too, but I have to say that the Swiss would win my heart here. The least exciting option right now is looking like Oslo.

[Shrek201]

I think a Swiss Games might be nice too...except everything would have to be announced 5x: in French, German, Italian, Romansch and English!! Not unless they go Esperanto for the sake of expediency!

[Crusader]

Swiss government pledges support for Davos-St Moritz bid to host 2022 Winter Olympics

Associated Press,

BERN, Switzerland — Switzerland’s government has pledged support for a bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics in Davos and St. Moritz.

The Swiss Federal Council says public funds should cover 1 billion Swiss francs ($1.05 billion) of the projected shortfall from the neighboring Alpine towns staging the Olympics.

A feasibility study estimated costs of 2.8 billion Swiss francs and income of 1.5 billion Swiss francs.

The seven-member executive body suggests paying half the expected 60 million Swiss francs ($62.6 million) cost of bidding.

It asked the federal sports ministry to report back to lawmakers.

The Davos-St. Moritz bid needs further support from voters in a regional referendum.

Switzerland last staged the Winter Olympics in 1948 at St. Moritz, which also hosted in 1924.

International Olympic Committee members choose the 2022 host in 2015.

http://www.washingto...8849_story.html

Unlike previous Swiss bids like Berne where several cantons had to vote, the Davos/St Moritz referendum occurs in a single canton, Graubunden, which makes it infinitely more winnable.

With the Cresta Run and St Moritz-Celerina Bobsleigh Run available you've got the sliding events dealt with. Davos has the most successful Swiss Ice Hockey club as well as an outdoor speed skating rink, both of which could be replaced with newer facilities. Smaller ice hockey clubs exist in St Moritz and Klosters that can use smaller venues.

[munichfan]

I think a Swiss Games might be nice too...except everything would have to be announced 5x: in French, German, Italian, Romansch and English!! Not unless they go Esperanto for the sake of expediency!

It would be interesting to see how they'd handle that. Maybe they could come up with only announcing in the IOC's languages English and French?

[zekekelso]

Using three languages is common. Both Davos and St Moritz are primarily Germany-speaking, so that would be the third.

[Shrek201]

Using three languages is common. Both Davos and St Moritz are primarily Germany-speaking, so that would be the third.

But it is the official language(s) of the HOST nation that are normally used. So going by accepted protocol, it would be the 4 + English. In Barcelona, with Spanish and Catalan, it became redundant. English and Esperanto (the Latin-based one) should do the job.

[munichfan]

Just let me throw in another question: Would South Africa announce everything in English, French, Afrikaans, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swasi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa and Zulu ??? Could be problematic during the Parade of Nations to have smaller countries with e.g. only one athlete announced in 12 languages...

[markun]

This bid is growing on me, I have to say I'm starting to find the prospect of a real Alpine Games quite attractive.

[Shrek201]

Just let me throw in another question: Would South Africa announce everything in English, French, Afrikaans, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swasi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa and Zulu ??? Could be problematic during the Parade of Nations to have smaller countries with e.g. only one athlete announced in 12 languages...

Of course not. That would be ridiculous. They'd have to trim it down to English (which I'm sure most of So. Africa understands), French and Afrikaans because those would be the most international. The rest are really just tribal languages (even tho all included as the nation's Official Languages -- but are of no consequence outside of South/southern Africa).

[zekekelso]

But it is the official language(s) of the HOST nation that are normally used. So going by accepted protocol,

Normally? What nations have used this French + English + mor than one official language scheme for announcements.

You only have to go back to 2008 (or, heck, 2012) to see hosts not following that "accepted protocol."

Of course not. That would be ridiculous. They'd have to trim it down to English (which I'm sure most of So. Africa understands), French and Afrikaans because those would be the most international. The rest are really just tribal languages (even tho all included as the nation's Official Languages -- but are of no consequence outside of South/southern Africa).

Less than half of South Africans can speak English. Several of the "really just tribal languages" you denigrate are more wide spoken than English. What's the characteristic of these "tribal" language speakers that makes them less worthy in your world view than the English speakers?

[Shrek201]

Normally? What nations have used this French + English + mor than one official language scheme for announcements.

Spain, Norway, CHina. .

Less than half of South Africans can speak English. Several of the "really just tribal languages" you denigrate are more wide spoken than English. What's the characteristic of these "tribal" language speakers that makes them less worthy in your world view than the English speakers?

It's a GLOBAL EVENT, not a TRIBAL, LOCAL event. Duh!!

[Shrek201]

Yeah, like at the UN they should conduct everything in at least 150 languages, including languages of people less than 8,000 individuals.

Going back to your oh-so-PC RSA argument, the sports contested are codified and conducted in English and French. Thus, commands and terms are in those 2 languages. It is NOT out of disrespect for the other 'tribal' lanugages, it is just that they belong to different spheres. Would you sit thru a dozen translations of whatever the announcement is? Won't even explain to you the gridlock and enormous expense they have over at the EU's headquarters in Europe where everything is spat out in the 23 Official Languages of the EU.

You do get rather silly, doncha. Of course, you will drag out the silly argument that if they use 23 languages there, why not the 11 for RSA? Maybe, Zeke, you should start your own international organization so that you can implement all the questions about the existing rules & practices that currently prevail.

Pssst. Being overly PC is sometimes boring.

[Shrek201]

Less than half of South Africans can speak English. Several of the "really just tribal languages" you denigrate are more wide spoken than English. What's the characteristic of these "tribal" language speakers that makes them less worthy in your world view than the English speakers?

Further:

1. The Supreme Council for Sport in Africa which conducts the All-Africa Games conducts its affairs in English and French (like the IOC).

2. The universal languages of English and French (yes, they are colonial languages...but that's the way it is) serve as unifiers rather than as dividers which the use of 'tribal' dialects do. The 2 languages bind everyone together...rather then enforcing regional or local loyalties where, i.e., I am a Tutsi, you are a Hutu, s/he is a Zulu...or whatever).

3. At the recent 2010 World Cup, I believe they only used English and Afrikaans -- not the 9 other languages. (I'm guessing on that one.)

4. Would you like to go into the matter of India where English and Hindi are the current Official Languages; while there are 22 recognized regional languages??