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You argued that all the European bids are deficient due to lack of geography, infrastructure or both. That suggests you see them as incompetent.

Whatever. Yes, logistically and in terms of the distance-dichotomy vs. the 45-min/1-hour distance of Tahoe-Reno, I'll just say that the Sierra Nevada duo holds its own in that regard. And because of the spread-out lodgings around Tahoe, then the 80-corridor won't be overloaded with traffic between Reno and the snow venues as it would if lodgings were all concentrated in the anchor city.

You know, Athens, it looks like Reno-Tahoe-Sacramento, regardless of how you feel, will line up their ducks and do what they have to do. Why don't the other cities get cracking as well? And then...to use a Nevada pun...let the chips fall where they may or where the USOC sees fit.

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These issues are all points I brought up before. The fact is, Reno has NOTHING in place to host, and would need Sacramento to step in to help. Lake Tahoe of course has the mountains, but the overall plan is way too spread out. The closest major international airport is in San Francisco, which is like 5-6 hours from Reno too.

I know Denver has its flaws, but this is why I support the idea of a Denver bid over Reno/Tahoe.

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And you know this because...you said so? :lol:

Come now, Baron. After hundreds of posts listing reasons why Reno is unelectable are you really asking me to repeat it all?

Fine. Here are the highlights (or lowlights):

1. More spread-out and decentralized than any bid in recent memory.

2. Significant lack of existing venues, heavy dependence on temporary venues.

3. Lowbrow casino culture and ambiance. Lack of points of interest.

4. Recent memory of lavish expenditures in Sochi and PC that will highlight Reno's faults.

5. Compelling European competition and favorable geopolitics for Europe.

6. Current lack of a revenue sharing agreement.

If you'd like me to recap the photographic evidence of Reno's unappealing ambiance as well, I'd be happy to do so......

I agree with Soaring. If the US bids for 2022/26 it should be Denver. If Denver is unable or unwilling, the US shouldn't bid.

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These issues are all points I brought up before. The fact is, Reno has NOTHING in place to host, and would need Sacramento to step in to help. Lake Tahoe of course has the mountains, but the overall plan is way too spread out. The closest major international airport is in San Francisco, which is like 5-6 hours from Reno too.

I know Denver has its flaws, but this is why I support the idea of a Denver bid over Reno/Tahoe.

Every city has its flaws. All Olympics, summer or winter, are spread out. How can you have 27 sports be sitting side by side? If Chicago fans will remember, not unless they chose to forget conveniently, Chicago tried to pack in like 10 sports at McCormick. The USOC told them 'no'; that was too much. So even their revised 'compact' bid wasn't enough to bag the prize.

Salt Lake had downtown SLC, Park City, Sundance, Soldiers Hallow I think for the biathlon, and a few other sites. Because of geography, entry and egress issues, crowd control issues -- venues have to be SPACED OUT. And the IOC allows more leeway in terms of intra-venue distances for a WOG than a SOG. They realize a WOGs is more weather and geography-dependent than a SOGs are. How close venues mustn't be together is MORE definite than how far apart they are. Denver's venues (Denver, Vail, Colo Springs, Steamboat Springs, etc.) are NOT any more closer than Reno-Tahoe are. Denver-Vail is 97 miles vs. Reno-Tahoe's 50 mi or so, amongst the various slope venues.

"Nothing, nothing for REno.."? I dunno, I seem to think Sochi had just renderings going into the contest. Ever heard of temporary venues?

Anyway, I've been following this whole Olympic bidding process for years. So I know what I speak of. Reno-Tahoe has as good a chance as any -- PyeongChang, Nagoya, Sarajevo, Moscow, Seoul, Sochi did. Anyone can create the most ideal man-made structures .but not everyone can create natural, man-made settings like what the Reno-Tahoe bid can offer. And that's why most of the arenas aren't in place yet. Because with 10-14 years to go, who knows? Maybe Doha will donate one of its 2022 stadia for a Reno 2026. And Athens, you really think the IOC "won't choose Reno"? Yeah, right.

Question for you Athens, I've been meaning to ask for a long time. I don't know why you were so impressed with Athens as a host. Just 2 years ago, without anything special going on there, I found Athens to be a very HOT and crowded, congested city. I wonder how they coped in the summer of 2004. Even their little subway system, great A/C, but even that was pretty jam-packed. Oh, and yes, they had all their venues...but look at them gathering dust now.

I have seen this game for a long time. Didn't I predict that Rome wouldn't get 2020 (altho I never saw their early withdrawal coming) ? Denver won't get it for 2022 either, but Reno-Tahoe has a chance of pulling it off.

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Athens was hot. Definitely.

The venues were beautiful. Transportation and directions were excellent. People were friendly. Beautiful Games design. Great culture, archaeology, architecture, museums, art, food, nightlife, the beach. And it's the birthplace of the Games. Free admission to the Acropolis on the first day of the OC. The atmosphere was wonderful.

Athens had more to offer than just the Games themselves. Any host should.

I haven't been to enough Games to rank Athens, but I did love the experience.

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This is how I think they're going to do it:

Reno: main Figure skating venue - temporary 18,000-20,000 arena

practice rink - the Reno Events center

Short-track Skating and Curling can be housed in either the Rodeo Center (presently, seats 9,000 in rodeo config. Can probably bump that up to 10,000 for short-track) or the Lawlor Events center (10,000 - present 11,600 seating).

IBC/Media Center - the Reno Sparks Convention Center

[sacramento - 2 ice hockey arenas (a new home for the Kings is supposedly coming up)). The hockey and Figure Skating venues could conceivably be traded between Reno and Sacramento. But I would give Reno the edge to keep Figure Skating over Ice Hockey. Maybe it's better to house the rowdier hockey players at CSU-Sacramento rather at the main OV in Reno....or vice-versa: the figure skating community might be happier to be secluded in Sacramento over the circus in Reno. It will just depend on which of the Federations is amenable, and how close Reno can put the temporary FS arena to the Reno Events center practice rink.)

So I don't know what Soaring keeps saying about there's NOTHING there.

There isn't that much NEW construction required to be built. The only new, permanent construction needed are: an indoor long-track speed rink; 2 ski jumps; and a luge-bobsleigh track. If California decides to pay for the luge track; then only 2 new, permanent venues are needed in Nevada.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure these things out.

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Reno is not even in a position to be compared to Sochi. It will not have unlimited federal funds for venues and infrastructure. I am skeptical on how much private money it could garner as well.

I would love to see Lake Tahoe host, I just can't overlook Reno. Sorry.

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It will not have unlimited federal funds for venues and infrastructure.

It doesn't NEED unlimited federal funds. It is Denver which needs, what? $9 - $10 billion? in federal funds to upgrade that I-27 corridor if it's to tackle the WOGs. So your objection again simply doesn't hold.

Ooooooo i would rather see Sacramento pver Reno!! It's more logical!!! I simply think that Reno is doesn't has the potential to host WOG....

It is NOT more logical. Daewebo, do you even know the lay of the land? Reno, right now, has more stadia than Sacramento and Reno is less than an hour from the slopes. Sacramento is another 1.5 hours from the slopes area. You don't know what you're talking about. A Sacramento-Tahoe bid is NOT going to happen.

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Sacramento isn't the US best option... We all know Salt Lake City or even Denver are best options... But Sacremento seems to be a more INTRESTING city than Reno... Both cities Reno and Sacramento don't have the infrastructure to host such a huge even (WOG) and we all know that but Sacramento is too far from Tahoe, but only that... there you're right. But the US has more cities that can try.... And Reno isn't the US best too...

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Maybe I am being too skeptical of Reno.

I'll admit, there are two venues in Reno that I was not aware of that you mentioned, but there is still a great majority of things that would need to be significantly upgraded or built.

Figure skating, hockey, speed skating, opening ceremony stadium, Olympic Village, Press Center are huge projects for "the smallest big town in America". I don't think staging a big event like hockey or figure skating in a city that is 150 miles away is going to be appealing to the IOC, but I could be wrong.

Mackey Stadium only seats 31,000, and it is really not impressive at all for an opening ceremony.

Reno Sparks Convention Center is probably too small, and it is dated by convention center standards (it will be 60 years old by 2022).

Don't forget the OV It is going to be challenging to get a developer on board, especially since Nevada has one of the worst housing markets in the nation.

These are Sochi's renders. I hardly think Reno can come up with anything nearly as compelling.

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Mackey Stadium - Opening Ceremony

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Lawlor Events Center - Short-track Skating and Curling

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Reno-Sparks Convention Center - Doesn't Scream "Press Center"

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Reno Events Center

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Reno Rodeo Center

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Maybe I am being too skeptical of Reno.

I'll admit, there are two venues in Reno that I was not aware of that you mentioned, but there is still a great majority of things that would need to be significantly upgraded or built.

Figure skating, hockey, speed skating, opening ceremony stadium, Olympic Village, Press Center are huge projects for "the smallest big town in America". I don't think staging a big event like hockey or figure skating in a city that is SIX HOURS away is going to be appealing to the IOC.

Mackey Stadium only seats 31,000, and it is really not impressive at all for an opening ceremony.

Reno Sparks Convention Center is probably too small, and it is dated by convention center standards (it will be 60 years old by 2022).

Don't forget the OV It is going to be challenging to get a developer on board, especially since Nevada has one of the worst housing markets in the nation.

Reno will submit what it can.

Mackay will get upgraded much as they put in some $8 million worth of upgrades to Rice-Eccles; or what went into the Torino stadium.

The University of Nevada-Reno is eagerly anticipating more and NEW dorms. The Village and its disposal will NOT be a developer's problem for Reno.

I am sure Reno, as anybody else, can put up the snazziest renderings. But that would be dishonest in this case. If you're looking for a Rolls-Royce, Soaring, then I'm afraid you're at the wrong dealer. ^_^

It what they present isn't good enough for the world, then that's fine, too -- but at least it wasn't for want of trying.

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Now let's compare that to Salt Lake City....

Rice-Eccles Stadium - Opening/Closing Ceremonies

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Salt Palace - Press Center

(Over 600,000 square feet of exhibition and meeting space, Reno's convention center only has about half that space)

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Now let's compare that to Salt Lake City....

Rice-Eccles Stadium - Opening/Closing Ceremonies

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Salt Palace - Press Center

(Over 600,000 square feet of exhibition and meeting space, Reno's convention center only has about half that space)

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I believe they will make their venues look older and smaller than before. Yes, I think they will reduce floor space as much as they can. Things CAN'T improve. They will only get worse.

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All I am saying is that it is a lot of work. Not saying they can't do it. Denver has many more venues in place than Reno.

It's not even just that so much that they are more Winter Olympics-ready. By that I mean better able to handle an International ice surface. Look at the picture of Lawlor. Probably going to require some serious renovations to squeeze an international-sized ice surface in there, aside from what it's going to do to seating capacity. Reno Events Center might be in slightly better shape, but still, I don't know how many ice events they're used to hosting. Doesn't mean these venues can't be used, but again, what is the cost of making them ready to host an Olympics assuming they aren't torn down and re-constructed?

baron, I know you're getting tired of this discussion, but at least there's something to discuss here now that we know Sacramento is more in play than they were before. No one is expecting anyone here, especially you, to have all the answers to questions even the CWGC/RTWGC folks probably haven't figured out yet, but at least it's something to discuss. If we're going to assess the merits of a potential bid city (last I checked, that's pretty much the primary purpose of this site), these are all valid questions/concerns that the folks actually involved with the bid are eventually going to have to address.

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Well, besides those venues, what about the stadium. Unless Mackey stadium does a Rice-Eccles, I don't C how it's going to be even suitable. And especially when we're talking yet 10-years down the road. By then, Mackey will be even more outdated & run-down than it is now.

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Well, besides those venues, what about the stadium. Unless Mackey stadium does a Rice-Eccles, I don't C how it's going to be even suitable. And especially when we're talking yet 10-years down the road. By then, Mackey will be even more outdated & run-down than it is now.

They can't NOT submit a bid without taking that into account. I am sure Mackey will get a major overhaul, or at least, I hope it will.

Hey look, they're working with people who have put bids together. They've gone to all the IOC and USOC 'bidding workshops and seminars.' I'm sure they know what's needed as well as knowing their limitations. Give those folks a little credit for wanting to improve their city as much as you would give a city with a 'black mark' over its forehead just because it has all the venues in place. And I dunno if another similar city like Madrid can even do that on its 3rd try--with that as her main selling point. Didn't work the last 2x.

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Well, besides those venues, what about the stadium. Unless Mackey stadium does a Rice-Eccles, I don't C how it's going to be even suitable. And especially when we're talking yet 10-years down the road. By then, Mackey will be even more outdated & run-down than it is now.

All the more reason to renovate it. For what it's worth, Nevada football is about to move up from the Western Athletic Conference into the Mountain West Conference (for those here who don't follow college football, that's a step up). There are a ton of college football stadiums out there older than Mackay. Plenty of room to add additional seating, especially temporary seating if they want. The stadium is the least of their concerns.

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